Holy Shit, GOP tries to make itself even more conservative

spidey07

No Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
65,469
5
76
Sounds like a good move. The reason Republicans have lost support has been because they are out of touch with their base. This is a very good idea to get people energized again and make republicans accountable.
 

blackangst1

Lifer
Feb 23, 2005
22,902
2,359
126
Sounds like a good move. The reason Republicans have lost support has been because they are out of touch with their base. This is a very good idea to get people energized again and make republicans accountable.

Yep.
 

brblx

Diamond Member
Mar 23, 2009
5,499
2
0
wow. they've gone from simply being childish to actually writing contracts to ensure childishness.

i think they should all be impeached for corruption- they are no longer representatives of the people, just little petty self-serving whiners.
 

dahunan

Lifer
Jan 10, 2002
18,191
3
0
All politicians are liars.. always will be.. this is just window dressing

Where were these assholes 8 years ago?
 

BoberFett

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
37,562
9
81
Idiots. I don't think Republicans even understand what conservatism is actually about.
 

PJABBER

Diamond Member
Feb 8, 2001
4,822
0
0
wow. they've gone from simply being childish to actually writing contracts to ensure childishness.

i think they should all be impeached for corruption- they are no longer representatives of the people, just little petty self-serving whiners.

Contract With America Redux.

The Republicans would likely still be in office if they didn't abrogate the first Contract With America.
 

spidey07

No Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
65,469
5
76
wow. they've gone from simply being childish to actually writing contracts to ensure childishness.

i think they should all be impeached for corruption- they are no longer representatives of the people, just little petty self-serving whiners.

Actually conservatism is on a sharp rise thanks in no small part to the actions and policies of Obama. So if you want to blame anybody, time to start blaming Obama. He's a political liability now.
 

Cutterhead

Senior member
Jul 13, 2005
527
0
76
I don't see anything wrong with this; having a baseline by which to define a party's principles seems to me like a pretty logical thing to do. What shared goals can any political party hope to achieve, if there is not some consensus as to what those goals are? I see maybe one item on this list I would oppose, and a couple I would be lukewarm in supporting, but the rest look very solid to me, which would still place me above the proposed 7/10 mark.

The problem you run into is when you have candidates who share very few, if any, of the shared goals that a party is supposedly promoting. The recent fiasco in NY 23 with Scozzawhatshername comes to mind as a prime example. She runs as a Repub on a platform devoid of all conservatism, then drops out and supports the Democrat.
 

Modelworks

Lifer
Feb 22, 2007
16,240
7
76
The problem is how will they enforce those values. Are they going to not talk to members who don't belong to the special club ?
 

heyheybooboo

Diamond Member
Jun 29, 2007
6,278
0
0
With their new-found fiscal conservatism does this mean the Decepti-Cons are going to pay for their 2001 & 2003 tax cuts, pay for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, pay for Medicare Part D, pay for NCLM and reimburse US taxpayers $6+ trillion for their VooDoo Economics?
 

Slick5150

Diamond Member
Nov 10, 2001
8,760
3
81
Wow, if they keep going in those directions I might have to register as a Republican!

I love how in one thread you support the idea of a openly gay Republican Lt. Governor candidate in Massachusetts, because hey, all that matters is that he's for lower taxes and smaller government.

Then here, you're supporting some sort of purity standard for Republicans to follow, which in your mind is helpful to get rid of "moderates".

You're such a tool.
 

her209

No Lifer
Oct 11, 2000
56,336
11
0
Actually conservatism is on a sharp rise thanks in no small part to the actions and policies of Obama. So if you want to blame anybody, time to start blaming Obama. He's a political liability now.
If Obama is destroying the country to the point of self-destruction, then I'd hate to have to be the President that has to take over after he's done.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
87,758
54,781
136
I don't see anything wrong with this; having a baseline by which to define a party's principles seems to me like a pretty logical thing to do. What shared goals can any political party hope to achieve, if there is not some consensus as to what those goals are? I see maybe one item on this list I would oppose, and a couple I would be lukewarm in supporting, but the rest look very solid to me, which would still place me above the proposed 7/10 mark.

The problem you run into is when you have candidates who share very few, if any, of the shared goals that a party is supposedly promoting. The recent fiasco in NY 23 with Scozzawhatshername comes to mind as a prime example. She runs as a Repub on a platform devoid of all conservatism, then drops out and supports the Democrat.

This has come up in previous threads and has been shown to be wrong. In fact Scozzafava's experience should exactly show why going further to the right is a recipe for disaster for Republicans in the long term. Scozzafava was a moderate Republican, she was for lowering taxes, for cutting welfare spending, etc... etc... etc. In fact as far as New York state goes, she was a conservative Republican. Analysis of her position here:
http://www.themonkeycage.org/2009/10/scozzafava_is_a_conservative_r.html The reason why she endorsed Owens was that Hoffman was so far off the deep end to the right that she ended up being closer in ideology to the moderate Democrat than the extreme right wing candidate. The loss of NY-23 is entirely the fault of the extreme right wing that tried to put up a candidate that was too conservative even for a conservative district.

Parties frequently go through some soul searching when they are confronted with losses as catastrophic as 2006 and 2008 were. Republicans for the moment have decided that they will go even farther to the right and purge the nonbelievers. If they continue with this trend I would bet a lot of money they will lose in 2012, and lose big.

They will pick up seats in 2010 regardless, as the party out of power nearly always does and I imagine the base will take entirely the wrong lesson from this. They will think that the cyclical gain of congressional seats that every party out of the White House enjoys will be some sort of vindication of conservative extremism. We'll see all sorts of crowing about how they just needed to get back to conservative ideals, etc... etc. Then 2012 will come around, and if they run a far right candidate they will get slaughtered by Obama... again.

You read it here first.
 
Oct 16, 1999
10,490
4
0
I love how number one undermines any meaning it may have by putting the anti-Obama qualifier on the end. When Obama does those things it's bad, but when the GOP does them it's a-OK. In fact nearly the whole thing is pretty much just anti-Obama talking points and not really principles or solutions.
 

Ausm

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
25,213
14
81
I saw this coming when the lost the NY 23rd Election thx to GOP purity poster child Sarah Palin ;)
 

PJABBER

Diamond Member
Feb 8, 2001
4,822
0
0
I love how in one thread you support the idea of a openly gay Republican Lt. Governor candidate in Massachusetts, because hey, all that matters is that he's for lower taxes and smaller government.

Then here, you're supporting some sort of purity standard for Republicans to follow, which in your mind is helpful to get rid of "moderates".

You're such a tool.

Nothing contradictory there at all as I refuse to step into the little box you have set up in your narrow mindedness.

I am not only a fervent advocate of individual rights but economic rights as well. Small government is good government. Power to the people!

I am a classical liberal. Only welfare liberals advocate for a purity standard and reject natural freedoms.
 

JKing106

Platinum Member
Mar 19, 2009
2,193
0
0
Sounds like a good move. The reason Republicans have lost support has been because they are out of touch with their base. This is a very good idea to get people energized again and make republicans accountable.

Yep, they realize they've lost most of the dumb, racist white trash who've realized that health care reform is probably in their best interest, too, and not just them lazy n*****s. Let's get back to the roots: Rich white old men.
 

Specop 007

Diamond Member
Jan 31, 2005
9,454
0
0
Seems point #1 disqualifies most of those who would call themselves Republicans these days.......
 

CrackRabbit

Lifer
Mar 30, 2001
16,642
62
91
Nothing contradictory there at all as I refuse to step into the little box you have set up in your narrow mindedness.

I am not only a fervent advocate of individual rights but economic rights as well. Small government is good government. Power to the people!

I am a classical liberal. Only welfare liberals advocate for a purity standard and reject natural freedoms.

Sure... you keep telling yourself that.

Looking at the list, I would support 3,4, and 10, and somewhat 5 and 6.
And I completely disagree with 2,8, and 9.
If they could drop the ass backwards social nonsense (that appeals ONLY to their base) I have a feeling that the Republicans would make a huge comeback.
 
Last edited:

Corn

Diamond Member
Nov 12, 1999
6,389
29
91
Yep, they realize they've lost most of the dumb, racist white trash who've realized that health care reform is probably in their best interest, too, and not just them lazy n*****s. Let's get back to the roots: Rich white old men.

Once again we see the typical lefty just loves to call people of color "lazy n*****s" under the guise that it is, allegedly, a Republican thinking it yet the only time I hear/read that word, it's a lefty uttering it. Silly racist liberals never cease to amuse.
 

Slick5150

Diamond Member
Nov 10, 2001
8,760
3
81
Nothing contradictory there at all as I refuse to step into the little box you have set up in your narrow mindedness.

I am not only a fervent advocate of individual rights but economic rights as well. Small government is good government. Power to the people!

I am a classical liberal. Only welfare liberals advocate for a purity standard and reject natural freedoms.

Small government? Ok, how about:

(6) We support victory in Iraq and Afghanistan by supporting military-recommended troop surges;
(8) We support retention of the Defense of Marriage Act;



So, small government, as long as it does exactly the things you want it to, like deny homosexuals the same benefits you and I enjoy, and support a never ending war that is costing us unfathomable amounts of money.

Got it!