Holy S, an NFL owner makes a good call!

[benzylic]

a new QB wont save Buff, they need so much more help then 1 dude

Buffalo needs defensive help. I think they stick with Fitzpatrick

 

[HendrixFan]

Your defense of Vince Young is funny, but let me cut to the chase here. The bottom line is that regardless of who is at fault -- Young needs a change of scenery.

Also, as Fingolfin said, VY is not a $12 million/yr QB. That probably factored into his decision more than anything.

I already pointed out that the "good call" by the notoriously cheap owner was due to the fact that Young's contract was about to expire and Fisher's had more years left on it. That is what the decision was made for, yet people took it as some sort of validation of Young being all the things Fisher claimed he was.

 

[rasczak]

Buffalo needs defensive help. I think they stick with Fitzpatrick

buffalo should do this:

1. keep fitzpatrick since he's a serviceable qb, draft defense.
2. blow the next two seasons to ensure they get the number 1 pick in the draft and pick up luck.
3. profit?

 

[IndyColtsFan]

I already pointed out that the "good call" by the notoriously cheap owner was due to the fact that Young's contract was about to expire and Fisher's had more years left on it. That is what the decision was made for, yet people took it as some sort of validation of Young being all the things Fisher claimed he was.

Young's behavior made him not worth the $12 million, not the other way around (ie, the $12 million made him expendable regardless of how he performed). If he had Brady or Manning's demeanor, he would not have been canned.

 

[HendrixFan]

Listen, you apparently do not realize that the NFL is a BUSINESS. Young, simply put, is bad for business. He's an overpaid cry baby. He is NOT worth the effort or time. The Titans need a real QB who is level headed and can simply play the game. Fisher is Vince Youngs manager. Would you run out of a meeting at work because your manager pulled you off a project? Would you get fired for assaulting someone at a strip club? He has screwed up at least 3-4 times in 2 seasons!

The Wonderlic scores ARE important. He scored a 6 and I think his immaturity and lack of intelligence has shown it's true colors, time and time again. The Titans don't care if he wins if they keep having to baby sit this "professional" who would be paid TWELEVE MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR. Are you freaking kidding me? Vince Young needs to GROW UP and act like an adult.

There are far more deserving QBs who will act like adults and not little brats because they don't get their way.He should flourishes because he's GOOD, not because he's cuddled and praised by his team after every game..... This is a business, grow up Vince. He couldn't even go 1 year without Drama.

You are the personification of the media manipulation I talked about. How many people get fired from their jobs for getting a citation? A citation? A ticket and a $500 fine. That is what Young received for his "assault". Young confronted his manager for pulling him "off a project" so to speak. I would want a successful employee to stand up to a manager that is submarining a project and company for his own ego. You wouldn't?

Young retook the wonderlic and got a much better score, something like 3 times higher so that makes the point moot. How does he act like a brat? You are talking about all the things Fisher has leaked to the media, most of which are denied by Young as being way overblown.

A source told me the vast majority of Titans players had grown frustrated with Young's repeated maturity issues, and he still hadn't progressed to the point where he could seamlessly call plays in the huddle, or commit himself to the work and preparation required of an NFL starting quarterback. Adams was made aware of how widespread the rest of the locker room felt hamstrung and held back by Young's lack of development.

"The fact that he still has a hard time calling plays in the huddle, that's a problem for us," a Titans source said. "There's not indifference here about Vince. There's some serious animosity. A lot of guys would want out of here if he came back. Everyone knows he's the guy who's supposed to drive the car, he's supposed to be our leader. But he doesn't do the things you have to have your quarterback do. Guys can't trust him. Even after all this time. It had to start with not having No. 10 back here."

You can find non-anonymous quotes from players on the team supporting Young and sad to see him let go. Yet you get a unnamed source slamming him every which way, have I not just spent the last few posts clearly showing that Fisher has been submarining Young from the start? The players were very vocal last year as Young brought them back from a winless start in their support for him. This source talks about "lack of development" even though Young had almost completely abandoned his ground game while being the leader in the AFC in passing when he went down. But yes, lets keep repeating the "lack of development" mantra because...why exactly?

Hopefully Young will land in SF, Miami or Minnesota where they have some measure of offensive talent for him to work with. In his next stop Young will put up a winning record as he has always done.

 

[Jeeebus]

The Dolphin's need to go after VY - he'd fit their system perfectly. I'm not as hard on VY as it seems everyone else is, though I think he needs to grow a pair and man up. I'd still rather have him than 75% of the QBs in the NFL.

You shut your whore mouth! 😛

If the Dolphins pick up Vince Young, I'm officially a Patriots fan.*

* I thought about writing "Jets fan," but the mere thought caused me to become nauseated and nearly throw up on my keyboard.

 

[HendrixFan]

Young's behavior made him not worth the $12 million, not the other way around (ie, the $12 million made him expendable regardless of how he performed). If he had Brady or Manning's demeanor, he would not have been canned.

What behavior? The huge comeback last season from the winless start? The AFC leading passing efficiency this season before getting injured? Or the "pads in the stands" which is nothing but baloney? The only thing you can point to was him blowing up at Fisher for not letting him play even though he was throwing spirals on the sideline. You don't think Manning or Brady would have had words if they were in the same situation? If so, you are crazy. They are intense competitors, but have had the "luxury" of having coaches who weren't trying to exact personal vendettas against them.

If Young had more years on his contract and Fisher's was due to expire Bud Adams would have went the other way. But because that did not happen, it is now just pile on VY season.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

What behavior? The huge comeback last season from the winless start? The AFC leading passing efficiency this season before getting injured? Or the "pads in the stands" which is nothing but baloney? The only thing you can point to was him blowing up at Fisher for not letting him play even though he was throwing spirals on the sideline. You don't think Manning or Brady would have had words if they were in the same situation? If so, you are crazy. They are intense competitors, but have had the "luxury" of having coaches who weren't trying to exact personal vendettas against them.

His behavioral issues have been documented many times in this thread and I am not going to repeat them. You can continue to portray Fisher as the Dr. Evil of NFL coaches, but it isn't sticking. Teammates have reported he has issues, his family has reported he has issues, and even VY has admitted it. Continue wearing the blinders if you must, but it isn't working on us.

Prior to this year, VY's stats were pedestrian and in many cases, awful. As I explained in the Vick thread, one good season doesn't make someone a Hall of Famer or a $12 million dollar man. Believe me, had VY put up Manning/Brady numbers and acted like them (even just this season), he'd have kept playing and would be there next year.

What do you think would've happened to VY if he pulled the same stunts with Jimmy Johnson as coach? You know, the same Jimmy Johnson that once cut a player who fell asleep in a meeting? God forbid, what if Bill Parcells were his coach? VY would've been gone long, long ago.

If Young had more years on his contract and Fisher's was due to expire Bud Adams would have went the other way. But because that did not happen, it is now just pile on VY season.

That's conjecture on your part. That isn't the way most see it.

 

[MotF Bane]

What behavior? The huge comeback last season from the winless start? The AFC leading passing efficiency this season before getting injured? Or the "pads in the stands" which is nothing but baloney? The only thing you can point to was him blowing up at Fisher for not letting him play even though he was throwing spirals on the sideline. You don't think Manning or Brady would have had words if they were in the same situation? If so, you are crazy. They are intense competitors, but have had the "luxury" of having coaches who weren't trying to exact personal vendettas against them.

If Young had more years on his contract and Fisher's was due to expire Bud Adams would have went the other way. But because that did not happen, it is now just pile on VY season.

You sound exactly like another poster here did defending Vick.

 

[AMDZen]

Bottom line is that both LikeLinus and HendrixFan are making good points

Would you run out of a meeting at work because your manager pulled you off a project?

This is a valid point, but if you do get upset in a meeting it could easily be forgotten about and nothing more will come of it.

Would you get fired for assaulting someone at a strip club?

No, because for 95% of people - your place of work would probably never know that it happened. If no charges are filed, any subsequent jobs wouldn't know about it either. This is just the business that VY is in where simple and private mistakes become public and a much bigger deal then it really is

I remember it and I saw the tape. Seemed minor and no charges were filed, just a citation and a $500 fine. Its not like he was murdering dogs or raping girls. If citations are the standard by which players should be cut from a team that is kind of tough.

I agree with this.

i'll give you that VY has a winning record. the guy knows how to win but he's got so many other problems that just makes him unprofessional to the point where his team was growing tired. i think a change in venue can be great for him.

I agree with this as well. VY needs to move on, for sure - and I'm sure he will get another shot somewhere.

If it was me, I would get rid of both VY and Fisher. 16 years is too long, the team needs a change of scenery too, and a new HC would be good for Tennessee.

 

[AMDZen]

You shut your whore mouth! 😛

If the Dolphins pick up Vince Young, I'm officially a Patriots fan.*

* I thought about writing "Jets fan," but the mere thought caused me to become nauseated and nearly throw up on my keyboard.

Anybody would be better for the Dolphins then what you have. IF you would truly become a pats fan just because of that, then you were never a Dolphins fan in the first place.

EDIT: The Broncos are going through some very rough times too, and getting rid of Cutler still pisses me off to this day - and I am a bears fan (always liked the bears any way) more now because of that trade. But I will always be a Broncos fan first because its in my blood - and what you are saying would be like the equivalent of me becoming a Raiders fan instead. I'd rather the CBA never get signed and never have football again then become a Raiders fan.

 

[Dirigible]

If it was me, I would get rid of both VY and Fisher. 16 years is too long, the team needs a change of scenery too, and a new HC would be good for Tennessee.

If it was me, I'd sell the team and spend the rest of my days wallowing in hookers and blow. I dunno what some of these rich dudes are thinking.

There's gotta be some tiny impoverished country that would make hookers and blow legal to attract the "I'm so damn rich I can spend every waking hour for the rest of my life high on blow and between multiple pairs of hot naked boobs and still buy your ass ten times over" demographic.

 

[Jeeebus]

Anybody would be better for the Dolphins then what you have. IF you would truly become a pats fan just because of that, then you were never a Dolphins fan in the first place.

EDIT: The Broncos are going through some very rough times too, and getting rid of Cutler still pisses me off to this day - and I am a bears fan (always liked the bears any way) more now because of that trade. But I will always be a Broncos fan first because its in my blood - and what you are saying would be like the equivalent of me becoming a Raiders fan instead. I'd rather the CBA never get signed and never have football again then become a Raiders fan.

Hyperbole

Take a moment. Breathe. It's gonna be ok.

I was in DC for the past decade, through Wannstedt, Saban and all - but I'm still a Fins fan. We're gonna get through this together - just remember your breathing exercises.

 

[Fingolfin269]

I think it's great that a lot of outsiders think it's time for Fisher to move on. I'm a Titans fan and I want him to stay. It's easy to say fire the guy but then you have to find a replacement. WTF would we hire?

 

[sactoking]

Since Young's rookie year in 2006:

Games in which Young was the primary QB-
31.72 rush attempts/game
146.2 rush yards/game
26.61 pass attempts/game
166.33 pass yards/game

Games in which Collins was the primary QB-
28.91 rush attempts/game
123.63 rush yards/game
32.29 pass attempts/game
201.69 pass yards/game

When Young was the primary QB the Titans averaged 2.8 more rush attempts, 22.57 more rush yards, 5.68 fewer pass attempts, and 35.36 fewer pass yards per game.

These are facts.

Looks to me like in games where Fisher relied on Young they went ground-heavy and in games where Fisher relied on Collins they opened it up more.

Tennessee is widely regarded as having an excellent running game.

Things I take from this:
1) Fisher never felt comfortable with Young as a passer.
2) Fisher definitely made a mistake when he continually called more pass plays with Collins in the game to the detriment of their good running game.
3) Maybe Young's good winning record doesn't have anything to do with Young being a leader or a good QB or rallying the guys around him and has a heck of a lot to do with the fact that the team ran the ball more (their strength) when Young was playing because the coach felt they had to.

#3 is really a condemnation of both coach and player. Young isn't as good as everyone said he was (especially when he won ROY) and Fisher was stupid for not sticking to what works for the team (running).

 

[Fingolfin269]

Sacto, that's more of a sign that the OC needs to be replaced. I guess with him now going through chemo that might be a little un-PC though.

Also, do your rushing statistics include VY's attempts?

 

[ElFenix]

collins throws 3 picks: starts next game
young throws 3 picks: gets pulled in the middle of the game and 4th stringer goes in.

:hmm:

 

[AMDZen]

Denver is in an interesting situation. They could probably get a fairly high draft pick if they decided to trade Orton. But do they trust Tebow and Quinn enough?

We are trading Orton, he's on the block and the media says we are asking for a 2nd round pick for him. The first to offer us that or better will have him.

 

[sactoking]

Sacto, that's more of a sign that the OC needs to be replaced. I guess with him now going through chemo that might be a little un-PC though.

Also, do your rushing statistics include VY's attempts?

They do. Young has appeared in 54 games, rushing 264 times for 1380 yards. That's an average of 4.89 carries per game and 25.56 yards per game.

Not seeing every carry I really can't differentiate between a called run and a scramble. I figure in the long run this if offset by the fact that the rushing stats also include Collins' attempts. Additionally, this was a high-level analysis designed to see if there was a difference in the way the team game-planned depending on QB. There were several games where both QBs appeared so I credited that game's stats to whomever was the "main" QB that week. Again, should even out in the long run.

The team ran more with Young at QB, that's objective fact. I think the Titans were much better running than passing. Given the fact of the situation and my personal filter then I perceive that Young was overrated (since the success was attributable to the team doing the thing they do better, running) and Fisher was overrated (since he couldn't realize that having Collins in the game meant you shouldn't pass more).

 

[LikeLinus]

As a Titans fan, I really do not wish to see Fisher go. I think he's a solid coach and he can win. We need a prototype QB who can run the offense. I think if we had a QB who could have opened it up with Moss, Britt, Gage and Washington, it would make our running game even better.

No one is saying Kerry Collins is the answer. The guy is at the end of his career. I wish people would quit comparing VY's play vs. Collins. Two wrongs do not make a right. Collins is a good backup, but he really should only see playing time if someone is injured or it's a blowout. Titans should trade for a decent starter for now and draft a QB and let him mentor under Collins and said starter.

 

[AMDZen]

I think if we had a QB who could have opened it up with Moss, Britt, Gage and Washington, it would make our running game even better.

Moss is a joke, you would be smart to cut your losses with him now

And frankly, the titans don't have a single #1 receiver. Britt looks like one at times, but ultimately falls short. You will need a clear #1 receiver as well as the QB to be on the level of the elite teams.

 

[benzylic]

The dawn of the rusty Smith is here

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Moss is a joke, you would be smart to cut your losses with him now

And frankly, the titans don't have a single #1 receiver. Britt looks like one at times, but ultimately falls short. You will need a clear #1 receiver as well as the QB to be on the level of the elite teams.

Maybe the Titans could take Garcon off our hands......

 

[Fingolfin269]

Moss is a joke, you would be smart to cut your losses with him now

And frankly, the titans don't have a single #1 receiver. Britt looks like one at times, but ultimately falls short. You will need a clear #1 receiver as well as the QB to be on the level of the elite teams.

Britt just completed his second season. He will be a stud next year assuming we have someone worth a damn at qb.

BTW who was the clear #1 receiver for the saints last season?

 

[AMDZen]

Britt just completed his second season. He will be a stud next year assuming we have someone worth a damn at qb.

BTW who was the clear #1 receiver for the saints last season?

Marques Colston.

Even with all of Brees' weapons, Colston is a clear #1 guy.

Sorry, but you're wrong if you think otherwise.