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Which antics would those be? All of the things leaked to the media by Fisher, which VY has denied, and which we have never seen any proof of? Fisher has made a living on playing the media, and ensnaring fans who can't be bothered to objectively analyze a situation. VY threw his pads in the stands right? No cameras caught it? No cell phones? Not a single person can vouch for seeing it or come up with the equipment? But sure, lets all agree it happened.

Don't be dense. You can't be a locker room leader and have a record like that (with the exact same team that struggles without him) while behaving as Fisher claims Young does, and which Young denies. Guys like that are a cancer to any sports team, certainly one that is as team oriented as football. The difference in the team is as drastic as any player has shown in the NFL.

Don't be suckered into believing everything Fisher leaks to the media to discredit Young, when it is plainly obvious that has "tantrum" and "work ethic" problems can take an 0-8 team and run them to a 7-1 record while posting an AFC best passer rating this season. In 39 starts he has 11 fourth quarter comebacks to his name. Players rally around him and he has shown improvement each season.

Don't be a mindless mouthpiece for a coach that has been trying to bury a player for years and struggled due to the stark contrast from 15-21 and 26-9.

HAHAHAHA. Jeff Fisher is apparently an evil mastermind. omg. You don't know shit about football either. You think a QB having a meltdown and the team losing it's 1st string starting QB means nothing. Forgetting that the 2nd string QB doesn't have the timing and reps with the 1st string offense that a starter does. VY is a cancer to the team.

You forget this idiot scored a 6 on the wonderlic test and had to retake it.

You forget the Assault at a Strip Club:

http://www.khou.com/sports/Vince-Yo...56444.htmlPolice-Investigating-Titans-QB.aspx

You forget about the whol Suicide Ordeal.

His mothers words: Felicia Young said her son has grown weary of all the negativity he faces as an NFL star. On Monday, he indicated to those around him he didn't want to play football any more."

He left a house and his FAMILY called Jeff Fisher because they were worried he might do something. Jeff called the cops for fear of him.

Now his cry baby antics this year.

You're a moron to think this is all Jeff Fishers fault.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5838293


Young said he knows he made mistakes dealing with the situation Sunday and didn't react the way he should have. But he said his frustration of not playing and not having Fisher's faith had built up to the point in which he didn't know how to handle it. He now knows he did not handle matters the right way.


Young then left the locker room and ignored media members as Titans safety and former University of Texas teammate Michael Griffin chased after him. The Tennessean reported that Griffin was seen confronting Young in the players' parking lot.

Griffin denied chasing after Young, but multiple media outlets reported witnessing the incident.

Guess the Media and people who say them in the parking lot are on Jeff Fishers payroll too. It's all Jeffs Big plan!!!!
 
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hm, if they're ditching Young... what happens in the draft?

ROUND ONE
1. Carolina (2-14) Probably Luck
2. Denver (4-12) Happy with Tebow?
3. Buffalo (4-12) Happy with Fitzpatrick?
4. Cincinnati (4-12) Should probably move on from Palmer?
5. Arizona (5-11) Need a QB
6. Cleveland (5-11) How much do they like McCoy?
7. San Francisco (6-10) Need a QB
8. Tennessee (6-10)

They're looking at maybe the 4th QB at that spot?

Probably would rather trade up for the QB you want, stay there and draft another position, or trade down and get the 4th QB. But who knows.
 
I just learned about a quarterback for Cal named Brock Mansion. He's a senior this year.

He hasn't done much of anything but someone should pick him up for his name alone. Colt McCoy is a pretty great name but Brock Mansion? How do you beat that?
 
16 years as coach, only finished over 500 six times and only made playoffs 6 times. 2 of those 6 due to young. maybe the qb here isn't that much of the problem.
 
First D. Russell. Now V. Young. I gotta think that teams are going to start shying away from these types of QBs (like Cam Newton?).

MotionMan
 
HAHAHAHA. Jeff Fisher is apparently an evil mastermind. omg. You don't know shit about football either. You think a QB having a meltdown and the team losing it's 1st string starting QB means nothing. Forgetting that the 2nd string QB doesn't have the timing and reps with the 1st string offense that a starter does. VY is a cancer to the team.

That would be an excellent point if you ignore the fact that VY came back from being the 2nd string QB multiple times and has the winning record to his name. If he can go from 2nd string reps and provide those results, either it isn't that big of a deal or he can be even better if his own coach would stop playing games and try to win football games.

You forget this idiot scored a 6 on the wonderlic test and had to retake it.

And scored, what, triple that upon retaking it? I don't remember, but it obviously has had zero impact on his ability to be one of the highest rated passers in the game while having one of the better W/L records as a starter. I guess I'm saying it is kind of a moot point.


I remember it and I saw the tape. Seemed minor and no charges were filed, just a citation and a $500 fine. Its not like he was murdering dogs or raping girls. If citations are the standard by which players should be cut from a team that is kind of tough.

You forget about the whol Suicide Ordeal.

His mothers words: Felicia Young said her son has grown weary of all the negativity he faces as an NFL star. On Monday, he indicated to those around him he didn't want to play football any more."

He left a house and his FAMILY called Jeff Fisher because they were worried he might do something. Jeff called the cops for fear of him.

VY said he just needed some time away from everyone, and Fisher was the one to involve the police and the media in it. Fisher has been working to break Young for sometime, and has sacrificed his team's success to prove his point, irrespective of any results on the field. He trumps up any story he can and plays the media like a fiddle. Meanwhile, VY says these things are all blown out of proportion (obviously). VY has not had experience playing the media or fighting a coach publicly in order to get playing time that he has clearly earned with his play on the field. He isn't a PR master and has been hammered time and time again by a more savvy coach.

You're a moron to think this is all Jeff Fishers fault.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5838293


Young said he knows he made mistakes dealing with the situation Sunday and didn't react the way he should have. But he said his frustration of not playing and not having Fisher's faith had built up to the point in which he didn't know how to handle it. He now knows he did not handle matters the right way.

I never said it was all Fishers' fault. This thread is about a "good call" in passing on VY over Fisher, so obviously it involves the two being pitted against each other. Anyone who has paid any attention to the turmoil knows the two have not gotten along. It would be ignorant for anyone to say it was all one person's fault over the other. My argument, backed up by win/loss record and passer rating is that VY brings more of a tangible benefit to the team than Jeff Fisher. There is no way to defend the difference in the record of the team over such a long period of time other than to say that VY brings more to the table than Fisher does. That large sample size does not allow for statistical anomaly.

I will say that Fisher is more at fault because despite whatever frustration Young feels about being shafted by Fisher, and whatever ways he dares confront his coach, Fisher is allowing his ego to get in the way of the team. If Young were 15-21 as a starter and Fisher 26-9 without Young then it would be clear who needs to sit down and shut up. If that were the case, Fisher would be right to keep him off the field and VY would need to do more to prove himself. But that simply is not the truth of the matter.


Young then left the locker room and ignored media members as Titans safety and former University of Texas teammate Michael Griffin chased after him. The Tennessean reported that Griffin was seen confronting Young in the players' parking lot.

Griffin denied chasing after Young, but multiple media outlets reported witnessing the incident.

Guess the Media and people who say them in the parking lot are on Jeff Fishers payroll too. It's all Jeffs Big plan!!!!

I read an article where Griffin talked about what was said during that "confrontation", so your link must be outdated. Griffin played with Young at Texas and the two are close. Griffin was on record after that game of saying both sides needed to talk to each other more like men. "People need to let go of their egos". The media does lap up everything Fisher says because it is easier reporting if they don't have to do the work, and it makes for a nicer storyline.

Young has made it easy for Fisher to throw him under the bus because he doesn't know how to play the same game. Young hasn't tried to control his public perception or play the media. If Fisher were truly a team-first coach, he wouldn’t run with the unsubstantiated “Vince threw his pads in the stands” allegation 10 minutes after the game had ended. Nothing good comes from that statement unless you’re intentionally trying to paint that player in a bad light. That is exactly what he was doing. It's not some vast conspiracy, it is just working the press plain and simple. And obvious.

I never said Young can do no wrong. He certainly can screw up, and has at times. But Young flourishes when he’s trusted, when he’s given the opportunity to make, and make up for, mistakes. Fisher is too thick-headed to understand that, and he’s allowing trivial shit to cloud his judgment on the only thing that matters (winning games). Hell, it’s worse than that, while Vince is playing very well on the field, Fisher is actively building a PR case against VY based purely on trivial shit. And you’ve apparently fallen for it.
 
Everyone needs to understand this is not just straight up Young vs. Fisher. This is 'Is it worth paying Young 12 mil vs. firing Fisher when going into so many abnormal unknowns in the offseason' sort of decision.

Also, how many of you think Young is a 12mil/year QB? (Could be off a little on the numbers but pretty sure that's the number that has been floating around on the local sports talk.)
 
16 years as coach, only finished over 500 six times and only made playoffs 6 times. 2 of those 6 due to young. maybe the qb here isn't that much of the problem.

Young knows how to win. However, contrary to what certain people here say, he definitely needs an attitude adjustment and more importantly, needs to grow up. You can be one of the best players in the NFL (see: TO, Randy Moss), but if you're a distraction, you're going to get shipped off.

In terms of quarterbacking, he has shown flashes of brilliance and particularly this year, made some great strides. I think a change of scenery might do him some good.

Honestly, I was hoping Fisher would get canned and come and be our DC. 😀
 

Your defense of Vince Young is funny, but let me cut to the chase here. The bottom line is that regardless of who is at fault -- Young needs a change of scenery.

Also, as Fingolfin said, VY is not a $12 million/yr QB. That probably factored into his decision more than anything.
 
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And Fisher had a dismal losing record without Young. We'll see if he's the real deal now, I give him a half a season to prove he can win without Young. If not, he's gone as well.
 
And Fisher had a dismal losing record without Young. We'll see if he's the real deal now, I give him a half a season to prove he can win without Young. If not, he's gone as well.

Let's look at the Titans before Young arrived to get a better assessment. By my count, Jeff Fisher had a winning record before Vince Young arrived in 2006 (97-85 if my math is correct and an even better 96-80 if you throw out his first partial season as coach). In the 7 seasons before Young, he had four 10+ win seasons and in the 6 seasons since, two.
 
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hm, if they're ditching Young... what happens in the draft?

ROUND ONE
1. Carolina (2-14) Probably Luck
2. Denver (4-12) Happy with Tebow?
3. Buffalo (4-12) Happy with Fitzpatrick?
4. Cincinnati (4-12) Should probably move on from Palmer?
5. Arizona (5-11) Need a QB
6. Cleveland (5-11) How much do they like McCoy?
7. San Francisco (6-10) Need a QB
8. Tennessee (6-10)

They're looking at maybe the 4th QB at that spot?

Probably would rather trade up for the QB you want, stay there and draft another position, or trade down and get the 4th QB. But who knows.

I can't imagine Buffalo would be happy with Fitzpatrick. 4-12 is pretty sad, and Fitzpatrick had what, three fumbles and two picks against the Patriots two weeks ago?

For Cleveland, I think they'll keep McCoy, focus on finding a new coach.
 
I never said Young can do no wrong. He certainly can screw up, and has at times. But Young flourishes when he’s trusted, when he’s given the opportunity to make, and make up for, mistakes.

Listen, you apparently do not realize that the NFL is a BUSINESS. Young, simply put, is bad for business. He's an overpaid cry baby. He is NOT worth the effort or time. The Titans need a real QB who is level headed and can simply play the game. Fisher is Vince Youngs manager. Would you run out of a meeting at work because your manager pulled you off a project? Would you get fired for assaulting someone at a strip club? He has screwed up at least 3-4 times in 2 seasons!

The Wonderlic scores ARE important. He scored a 6 and I think his immaturity and lack of intelligence has shown it's true colors, time and time again. The Titans don't care if he wins if they keep having to baby sit this "professional" who would be paid TWELEVE MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR. Are you freaking kidding me? Vince Young needs to GROW UP and act like an adult.

There are far more deserving QBs who will act like adults and not little brats because they don't get their way.He should flourishes because he's GOOD, not because he's cuddled and praised by his team after every game..... This is a business, grow up Vince. He couldn't even go 1 year without Drama.
 
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i'll give you that VY has a winning record. the guy knows how to win but he's got so many other problems that just makes him unprofessional to the point where his team was growing tired. i think a change in venue can be great for him.

From http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/don_banks/01/05/titans.young/index.html?eref=sihp

A source told me the vast majority of Titans players had grown frustrated with Young's repeated maturity issues, and he still hadn't progressed to the point where he could seamlessly call plays in the huddle, or commit himself to the work and preparation required of an NFL starting quarterback. Adams was made aware of how widespread the rest of the locker room felt hamstrung and held back by Young's lack of development.

"The fact that he still has a hard time calling plays in the huddle, that's a problem for us," a Titans source said. "There's not indifference here about Vince. There's some serious animosity. A lot of guys would want out of here if he came back. Everyone knows he's the guy who's supposed to drive the car, he's supposed to be our leader. But he doesn't do the things you have to have your quarterback do. Guys can't trust him. Even after all this time. It had to start with not having No. 10 back here."
 
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VY is kind of like the coworker who almost always gets his work in on time and does a great job. However, the same coworker doesn't show up to work all the time, talks your ear off, and whines that he's underappreciated. And he grabbed the secretary's ass.
 
hm, if they're ditching Young... what happens in the draft?

ROUND ONE
1. Carolina (2-14) Probably Luck
2. Denver (4-12) Happy with Tebow?
3. Buffalo (4-12) Happy with Fitzpatrick?
4. Cincinnati (4-12) Should probably move on from Palmer?
5. Arizona (5-11) Need a QB
6. Cleveland (5-11) How much do they like McCoy?
7. San Francisco (6-10) Need a QB
8. Tennessee (6-10)

They're looking at maybe the 4th QB at that spot?

Probably would rather trade up for the QB you want, stay there and draft another position, or trade down and get the 4th QB. But who knows.

I can't imagine Buffalo would be happy with Fitzpatrick. 4-12 is pretty sad, and Fitzpatrick had what, three fumbles and two picks against the Patriots two weeks ago?

For Cleveland, I think they'll keep McCoy, focus on finding a new coach.
Same goes with Denver.

Bringing Elway back into the program finding a new coach.

Orton is not that bad and Tebow showed promise.
 
I can't imagine Buffalo would be happy with Fitzpatrick. 4-12 is pretty sad, and Fitzpatrick had what, three fumbles and two picks against the Patriots two weeks ago?

For Cleveland, I think they'll keep McCoy, focus on finding a new coach.

a new QB wont save Buff, they need so much more help then 1 dude
 
Same goes with Denver.

Bringing Elway back into the program finding a new coach.

Orton is not that bad and Tebow showed promise.

Denver is in an interesting situation. They could probably get a fairly high draft pick if they decided to trade Orton. But do they trust Tebow and Quinn enough?
 
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