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Holy mackrel, $240 million for Cano?

Blackjack200

Blackjack200

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I guess the financial restraint GMs were showing for the last few years is out the window after the Ellsbury and now Cano contracts.
 
Yeah not sure how I feel about it as a Mariners fan....10 years? Oh well at least for the first half of the contract it should bring some much needed offense- then who knows.
 
And hopefully this will attract other players to at least consider Seattle- god knows we need more than Cano to be competitive.
 
Great for the mariners!

It's good to see a franchise invest in their team!

As a yankee fan i'd rather have him than ellsbury. But the yankees played hardball i think for a few reasons. Thy didnt view him as jeter-esque, as in a face of the franchise guy. They were burned on the 10yr Arod contract. And in the business sense, he was proven to do nothing for ticket sales and ratings for them. Last year, when he was the main yankee due to allt he injuries, the ratings and sales were not so good and only picked up when jeter and arod returned.

Great stuff for the mariners though, they are a player or 2 away from perennial contenders.
 
Kyle said:
And hopefully this will attract other players to at least consider Seattle- god knows we need more than Cano to be competitive.
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And now that Seattle has overpaid for an aging playing on the downside of his career they won't be able to afford most of the other parts to put around him. A team like the Mariners has to do business like Oakland, not the Yankees. But I thank them for taking Cano off the Yankees hands. He's a very good player, but he's not worth anything near what he was asking for. That $25 million a year buys a new 2nd baseman plus at least one good pitcher.
 
GagHalfrunt said:
And now that Seattle has overpaid for an aging playing on the downside of his career they won't be able to afford most of the other parts to put around him. A team like the Mariners has to do business like Oakland, not the Yankees. But I thank them for taking Cano off the Yankees hands. He's a very good player, but he's not worth anything near what he was asking for. That $25 million a year buys a new 2nd baseman plus at least one good pitcher.
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I'm not entirely sure that's the case. The Mariner's have often had one of the top 10 highest payrolls. As of late, they have both stopped spending, and made REALLY bad choices with their money.

They overspent on Cano, for a position they desperately needed filled because of some of those bad choices in the last few years.
 
No the Mariners actually have a lot of money to spend- huge new TV contract and very little money on the books (basically just Felix)- I'm guessing this isn't their last signing
 
Ayrahvon said:
Based on projections the Mariners are spending less per win on Cano than New York is going to spend on Ellsbury over the next 10 years.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/mariners-break-the-bank-hope-robinson-cano-defies-odds/

As a whole, I think it was a better contract.
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It's definitely a better contract. I'm a yankees fan and cano > ellsbury. It's not even close. My personal feeling is that Jay-Z tried to sell Cano as a brand and face of the franchise for the Yankees, when he clearly is not that. For another team maybe he could be, but not the Yanks.

Now we have a huge fucking hole on the right side of the infield and battig order. Arod suspension looming, Jeter getting old and breaking down, and Texeira coming off surgery....
 
Ayrahvon said:
Based on projections the Mariners are spending less per win on Cano than New York is going to spend on Ellsbury over the next 10 years.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/mariners-break-the-bank-hope-robinson-cano-defies-odds/

As a whole, I think it was a better contract.
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Sinsear said:
It's definitely a better contract. I'm a yankees fan and cano > ellsbury. It's not even close. My personal feeling is that Jay-Z tried to sell Cano as a brand and face of the franchise for the Yankees, when he clearly is not that. For another team maybe he could be, but not the Yanks.

Now we have a huge fucking hole on the right side of the infield and battig order. Arod suspension looming, Jeter getting old and breaking down, and Texeira coming off surgery....
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Yeah, the Cano contract is better than the Ellsbury contract, but they're both terrible, and as obscene as it is, the Yankees can afford to make that kind of mistake, the Mariners cannot.
 
Sinsear said:
It's definitely a better contract. I'm a yankees fan and cano > ellsbury. It's not even close. My personal feeling is that Jay-Z tried to sell Cano as a brand and face of the franchise for the Yankees, when he clearly is not that. For another team maybe he could be, but not the Yanks.

Now we have a huge fucking hole on the right side of the infield and battig order. Arod suspension looming, Jeter getting old and breaking down, and Texeira coming off surgery....
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No worries. 2017 you can make a run for Trout.
 
Blackjack200 said:
Yeah, the Cano contract is better than the Ellsbury contract, but they're both terrible, and as obscene as it is, the Yankees can afford to make that kind of mistake, the Mariners cannot.
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Again...yes they can. The M's have a lot of money to spend - they have a huge new TV contract and very little $$ on the books.

We have been crippled in the past w/ horrible contracts that have tied up all the $$ but that is not the case any more- they will be signing more players before the year starts.

Well- let me rephrase- they of course don't want to make a 10 year mistake- but that part is yet to be seen- they NEEDED a big name player - we'll see how it turns out.
 
LOL Yankees paid for legs but they need arms. Cano leaves that intimate short porch in the Bronx for the roomy outfield of Safeco.

Pro baseball. Gotta love it...
 
The amount of WAR Cano can potentially bring in at a highly scarce position is fantastic. I agree Cano couldn't be the face of the Yankees for some reason, but he can easily be the pillar Seattle depends on along with King Felix. I feel this contract is completely dependant on the other moves Seattle make this off-season.

It hints that they want to make a playoff run right now instead of later. If they pick up two more of the bigger free agents I think they definitely could put up a run. Probably would need Price and Kemp (hopefully not Cruz) and have them both be healthy (unlikely at least for Kemp) or someone along those lines.

The question is, what do they give up for that? I hope they don't sell off their young pitching prospects like Walker.
 
Kyle said:
Again...yes they can. The M's have a lot of money to spend - they have a huge new TV contract and very little $$ on the books.

We have been crippled in the past w/ horrible contracts that have tied up all the $$ but that is not the case any more- they will be signing more players before the year starts.

Well- let me rephrase- they of course don't want to make a 10 year mistake- but that part is yet to be seen- they NEEDED a big name player - we'll see how it turns out.
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You're right that a lot of new money is pouring into MLB (as well as the NFL and NBA).

However, you're overlooking what the general premise of criticism is:

No player over 30 should get a 10-year deal. By definition, the contract length is a mistake regardless of how Cano performs for the first 6 years.
Can any team really afford to make a $240M mistake?

So IMO it's not whether the M's made a mistake, but how many back-loaded dollars will be wasted at the end of the contract. It was the same question applied to Albert Pujols, and the same for Prince Fielder even though the heavyweight slugger is a lot younger.
 
Kyle said:
We have been crippled in the past w/ horrible contracts that have tied up all the $$ but that is not the case any more-
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That might have been true yesterday, but it damn sure isn't true now. They're now crippled with one huge white elephant contract and you're talking that them going out to buy more is a good thing.
 
manly said:
You're right that a lot of new money is pouring into MLB (as well as the NFL and NBA).

However, you're overlooking what the general premise of criticism is:

No player over 30 should get a 10-year deal. By definition, the contract length is a mistake regardless of how Cano performs for the first 6 years.
Can any team really afford to make a $240M mistake?

So IMO it's not whether the M's made a mistake, but how many back-loaded dollars will be wasted at the end of the contract. It was the same question applied to Albert Pujols, and the same for Prince Fielder even though the heavyweight slugger is a lot younger.
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This is seemingly more of an issue with how sports as a whole do contracts. Players, especially in MLB are stuck in underpaying contracts for their most productive years. When they finally hit free agency, either the first or second time, they go for a far higher price than their future production.

Simply put, even for someone over 30, based on years and years of contracts, you have to fork over this stupid amount of cash to get subpar production from a fanstastic player. Subpar production from Cano will still be better than almost anyone else at his positions though.
 
manly said:
You're right that a lot of new money is pouring into MLB (as well as the NFL and NBA).

However, you're overlooking what the general premise of criticism is:

No player over 30 should get a 10-year deal. By definition, the contract length is a mistake regardless of how Cano performs for the first 6 years.
Can any team really afford to make a $240M mistake?

So IMO it's not whether the M's made a mistake, but how many back-loaded dollars will be wasted at the end of the contract. It was the same question applied to Albert Pujols, and the same for Prince Fielder even though the heavyweight slugger is a lot younger.
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Oh, no I agree with you there- but the nature of the beast is that's the contracts these players are getting - so in order to land a big name, the Mariners had NO choice in the matter.

The Mariners NEED a big name to bring back the attendance #'s and hopefully start building a competitive team. This was the only way that was going to happen. I totally agree that 10 year contract is ridiculous for any of the players you named above- but there's really no way around that at this point if you want a big name free agent.

What I'm saying is there are people saying the M's have no $$ to spend and now this will cripple them and leave them w/ no $$$ left to make additional moves and signings- that simply is not the case.
 
Kyle said:
Oh, no I agree with you there- but the nature of the beast is that's the contracts these players are getting - so in order to land a big name, the Mariners had NO choice in the matter.

The Mariners NEED a big name to bring back the attendance #'s and hopefully start building a competitive team. This was the only way that was going to happen. I totally agree that 10 year contract is ridiculous for any of the players you named above- but there's really no way around that at this point if you want a big name free agent.

What I'm saying is there are people saying the M's have no $$ to spend and now this will cripple them and leave them w/ no $$$ left to make additional moves and signings- that simply is not the case.
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What he said. Additionally, I think there are several ways the M's can potentially buy their way to 90 wins.
 
And who knows, maybe some of our younger talent steps up- I'm a huge Seagar fan - hopefully Ackley turns it around and then Smoak/Saunders are always big question marks but seem to have the raw talent to have productive years- just hasn't happened yet.
 
Totally false presumption. One big contract is going to change much on the team without getting several other high quality players and by wasted so much $$$$ in the first one the rest of the team is already on the short side.
 
The M's only had 1 contract locked beyond 2014, and that was king Felix. With Cano, they now have less than $45m committed to those players, along with their relatively cheap young talent to go with 2 other arbitration eligible players.

The M's can easily go after another bat (they need some right handed power) like Mike Napoli, or they can make a big trade for either Price, Kemp, Brandon Phillips or Samardzja. Even then they can still afford to go after another free agent like Choo. They have a ton of money and can easily add another 3-4 pieces and end up with a team payroll around $100m.
 
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