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holy. LA cuts all non-essential city services 2 days/week

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This is what happens when you have millions of illegals oozing in, sucking up resources and funds. It needs to stop. It needs to stop now. Everyone knows this.
 
just the other day my coworker was telling me about the pensions city workers get... it's crazy good. they get 80% of the maximum salary they ever earned for the rest of their life post retirement. plus i read that the average city worker makes more than a private sector worker for the same type of job.

on top of this, i heard that city workers are being offered a severance of taking retirement early so that they can get off the salary books (so they'll get their 80% pension early). doesn't make much good sense to me.

so this issue the OP brings up makes sense to me... so much money being blown away.
 
theflyingpig said:
This is what happens when you have millions of illegals oozing in, sucking up resources and funds. It needs to stop. It needs to stop now. Everyone knows this.
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What scares me is Virginia is starting to get the same problem, and no one seems to give a shit.

Of course, its been argued many times with evidence that illegal aliens dont cause problems, they are the result of problems. Which is totally believable.
In the meantime, I'm learning Spanish. When the new world order comes around, I dont want to be left behind.
 
techs said:
Imagine if the economy had crashed instead of the Feds bailing out the banks?
It would have been disaster. I mean a disaster of biblical proportions.
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For who?

I don't own any mortgage backed securities or CDO's.

I pay banks, not get money from them. Wouldn't I still have to pay my mortgage/car loan? Or would the disaster be that I didn't because they were out of business?

There are thousands of small banks who had none of these problems (CDO's) that most of us in the USA use. How does the failure of a dozen "too big to fail banks" affect us?

techs said:
The only hope is that the Obama adminstrations actions will not only rescue us from the brink of disaster, but most importantly, get real income rising agains after 8 piss poor years under Bush.

Sorry if that's too P&N for you, but those who fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.
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The economy was fine for most of Bush's term. Yes, when he took office we had problems from the .com bubble bursting under Clinton and then 9/11. But things went up rapidly until sometime in 2007/2008. BTW: that corresponds to the Democrats taking control of Congress.

So what "history" are we supposed to learn from? Your revisionist version or the real one?

Fern
 
dmcowen674 said:
You honestly believe things were fine under Bush?
Holy drugs batman, what are you on?
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Remember, we're talking about the economic situation.

A lot more people had jobs, a lot more people were making a lot more money than now.

Stock market hit 14,000.

Economically, those were better times.

Was economic trouble brewing? Absolutely. But regardless, I think most people (and businesses) would say that they were doing better financially then.

Does Bush get credit for that? IDK, my own view is that a President bears little responsibility for our economy (unless they propose and push something stupid). IMO, Congress and the Fed are far more responsible for the economy.

Fern
 
one of the most liberal cities in the country with massive tax revenue and they don't have a pot to piss in.
 
dainthomas said:
Two fewer days a week of government sounds like paradise for conservatives. I expect them to start flocking to LA immediately.
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This doesn't mean that taxes are going to go down, so hardly a conservative paradise. If anything, this is a good demonstration of the fallacy of the progressive belief that we should be paying more in taxes - Californians pay huge taxes, and their government services are being cut, and I bet government services are better in low tax states to boot! You're paying more and getting less - I'd love for some honest progressive to explain to me why this is a good thing.
 
I feel like a broken record but here goes:


L.A.'s current problem is just like the whole state's problem.......

1.) Unions
2.) Pensions
3.) Special Interest (see Unions)
4.) Collective bargaining agreements (see pensions *and* unions)
5.) Administration filtering money out of otherwise legitimate civil agencies (education, etc.)

It's not that we don't take in enough tax. We take in a sh!tload of taxes!!!

There is just too much "entitlement" within the system. If we cut out 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5.....this state would be a friggin' surplus goldmine.

This whole state needs to get into bankruptcy......SOON!!!
 
TwiceOver said:
Give CA to China to settle our debt bringing our highest importing country and its labor closer to the US. Meanwhile we offload the most worthless hyped state in the union. Bring Puerto Rico in as a real state so we don't have to fix the flag.

Win/Win situation.
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Great idea. I've got another one. How about we hand over all the hick "red states" to Saudi Arabia in exchange for a 5 year supply of oil. What with them having so much in common in terms of cultural values and all, sounds like a great fit.

It's all in jest of course, I assure you.

- wolf
 
As explained to me by someone @ city of LA, non-at-will employees are "entitled" to their titles and positions by law. In other words, they have some sort of weird property right to their titles & positions, which is why you see people with weird arcane titles from back in the 80's.

To change titles or to let people go requires a lengthy process and justification, which is why they had to offer that early retirement package. Otherwise, none of the senior folks would retire (i.e. the ones costing the most) and they wouldn't have any real way of laying them off.
 
Heard about this from my buddy who works for the city. Says he is probably getting a 40% pay cut for the rest of the year.
 
redgtxdi said:
I feel like a broken record but here goes:


L.A.'s current problem is just like the whole state's problem.......

1.) Unions
2.) Pensions
3.) Special Interest (see Unions)
4.) Collective bargaining agreements (see pensions *and* unions)
5.) Administration filtering money out of otherwise legitimate civil agencies (education, etc.)

It's not that we don't take in enough tax. We take in a sh!tload of taxes!!!

There is just too much "entitlement" within the system. If we cut out 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5.....this state would be a friggin' surplus goldmine.

This whole state needs to get into bankruptcy......SOON!!!
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I too preach the evils of unions but no one listens.
 
redgtxdi said:
I feel like a broken record but here goes:


L.A.'s current problem is just like the whole state's problem.......

1.) Unions
2.) Pensions
3.) Special Interest (see Unions)
4.) Collective bargaining agreements (see pensions *and* unions)
5.) Administration filtering money out of otherwise legitimate civil agencies (education, etc.)

It's not that we don't take in enough tax. We take in a sh!tload of taxes!!!

There is just too much "entitlement" within the system. If we cut out 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5.....this state would be a friggin' surplus goldmine.

This whole state needs to get into bankruptcy......SOON!!!
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your denial is massive. as massive as the number of south of the border, border jumpers that pour in every night. then sign up for public assistance come sun rise.
 
Pay more in taxes, get less service. What a bargain! I really hope other states are paying attention to the failed model that is CA, for a variety of reasons. The most important reason of course is that the idiots in government can't learn to stop wasting money. They'll figure out every possible way to get more money from the population, but never how to cut spending. Ever.
 
When I was young city and state emplooyees were low paying jobs but threw the cost of living entitlement . They recieved yearly raises that the private sector didn't .

City state employees are work cheats. Watch your city workers work . They suck. Who was it that broke the private sector Unions. The government. Airport traffic controllers I remember it well.
 
shortylickens said:
What scares me is Virginia is starting to get the same problem, and no one seems to give a shit.

Of course, its been argued many times with evidence that illegal aliens dont cause problems, they are the result of problems. Which is totally believable.
In the meantime, I'm learning Spanish. When the new world order comes around, I dont want to be left behind.
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I read the minutes from my counties commissioners meeting , it was depressing.
2003 - social services- 30% surplus
2005 - 9% surplus
2007 - 43 % loss
2009 - 59 % loss

Under the payments an increase of 408% in hispanic children and mothers over the past 7 years. That loophole needs closing. The whole woman comes here with 4 children, has a kid here and now whole family is supported and cannot be deported stuff needs to stop !
 
Modelworks said:
I read the minutes from my counties commissioners meeting , it was depressing.
2003 - social services- 30% surplus
2005 - 9% surplus
2007 - 43 % loss
2009 - 59 % loss

Under the payments an increase of 408% in hispanic children and mothers over the past 7 years. That loophole needs closing. The whole woman comes here with 4 children, has a kid here and now whole family is supported and cannot be deported stuff needs to stop !
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kill the anchor baby crapola. who gives a crap if they are knocked up. Just pretend it's another abortion.
 
Nobody in Government does any work on Monday or Friday anways... and i bet those are the two highest "sick call days" ... so... there ya go.
 
Shutting down two days a week won't save a cent, because the city employees still get paid. We just went through this on the state level, bunch of people had to take time off, judge ruled they had to be paid anyway. Net result, state employees got extra paid holidays.
 
Fern said:
Remember, we're talking about the economic situation.

A lot more people had jobs, a lot more people were making a lot more money than now.

Stock market hit 14,000.

Economically, those were better times.

Was economic trouble brewing? Absolutely. But regardless, I think most people (and businesses) would say that they were doing better financially then.

Does Bush get credit for that? IDK, my own view is that a President bears little responsibility for our economy (unless they propose and push something stupid). IMO, Congress and the Fed are far more responsible for the economy.

Fern
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PEOPLE were not doing better, some people (top 10%) percent were doing better due easy access to credit and various asset bubbles. I don't blame Bush personally, although it did happen while he was sleeping on his watch. It's just bad governing overall...
 
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