I knew other cultures try to copy ours.
(My tasteless joke of the day - I promise I won't post any more today.)
(My tasteless joke of the day - I promise I won't post any more today.)
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Its much easier to just go about one's life ignoring the problems around them then doing something about it... except, of course, when it hits you directly. But then it is always to late... >>
Excuse me but enlighten me please on what exactly I could have done anything to prevent these children from being murdered in Japan?
What are YOU doing to address the problem of violence? Please, lets hear the details of your plans. I am assuming perhaps you have organised rallies or started organizations or personally removed weapons from the hands of criminals?
Give me a break. Posting 'gee thats terrible' in a thread on ATOT will do NOTHING for those children in Japan nor for the future victims of violence here or elsewhere.
And the original post didnt exactly contain stirring social commentary did it?
How does DC saying 'Holy Crap' affect the issue of the lives of the unfortunate victims any more positively than what anyone else has said?
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. Words to live by. If you posted your 'shock', 'sorrow', and/or 'dismay' in this thread yet closed IE and merrily went about your daily business than you are as useless as those who felt the need to bring up gun control in this thread...
BTW SoapDish, I see you didnt confine your post to expressing your dismay over the occurance. Instead you ALSO posted on gun control... you simply posted the opposing view. Whats the difference? Neither are constructive and both are useless.
yup, its so much cleaner... almost as clean as clicking your mouse in counterstrike or quake
full contact knifing.. you have to lose part of your humanity to do that.
full contact knifing.. you have to lose part of your humanity to do that.FrancesBeansRevenge: so you're basicly tell me we should lose our humanity and sensitivty to tragedy if we have no plan to prevent future occurances of similar events. am i the parents that raised that killer? did i know the killer and mocked him as a child? did i somehow cause this? i dont' have any direct means to help this situation so am i not allowed to express shock and sadness over deaths of others?
"holy crap" expressed my shock at the tragedy, that's what i felt and meant.
and obviously i didn't post this and continue merrily if i'm still in this thread having this discussion right now.
i rather be the limited power emotional human i am, than have a heartless view of the world like you. emotions are a vital part of humantity. no offense intended.
"holy crap" expressed my shock at the tragedy, that's what i felt and meant.
and obviously i didn't post this and continue merrily if i'm still in this thread having this discussion right now.
i rather be the limited power emotional human i am, than have a heartless view of the world like you. emotions are a vital part of humantity. no offense intended.
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<< Ah. In AMERICA, the guy would have had an A-K, and would have killed 26 instead of 4. >>
In our recent spat of mass shootings, we have an average of 8 or so killed per shooting. At Columbine High, we have 2 kids with:
One TEC DC 9 modified semi-automatic pistol
One sawed-off double-barrel shotgun
One sawed-off pump-action shotgun
One 9 mm semi-automatic rifle
More than 30 homemade explosives, including pipe bombs, crude hand grenades and a propane tank with explosives attached.
These boys had the intent to kill as many as they could. They fired at "everything human."
How many did they kill? 100? 50? 20?
Nope, 13. With 11 wounded.
10 of those victims were in the library, and most of those 10 were people who dropped and froze. These boys entered a school with hundreds of people, and only hit 4 or 5 moving targets... even while litterally spraying the parking lot outside, and rooms inside with bullets.
Why so few?
As much as some anti-gun folks here like to exaggerate, guns do NOT make mass killings as easy as they'd like people to think.
When the gunman enters the room and starts shooting, MOST of the people in the room drop or run. The first ones to die are the closest to the gunman, and those who freeze. If there are sufficiant exits, as there were in the rooms the Columbine boys entered in the school, the majority of people in the room will be able to flee as the gunman will miss most of what he's shooting at.
If you've never fired a gun before, it's FAR harder than you think to hit a moving target, especially while you're under stress. A fraction of an centimeter off target at the sights equals feet off target just a few yards away.
The movies have made guns seem FAR more effective than they really are.
Now, I'm not saying a knife is as effective as a gun, but let's look at these things realistically, OK? It doesn't matter WHAT is used to kill. It's the intent to kill we must focus on here, not the weapons used.
In Japan, ALL homicide rates are lower. Stabbings, poisonings, blunt objects, beatings, ALL modes.
To say the absence of guns is the reason Japan has a lower homicide rate is naive at best. If the absence of guns were the answer, all other modes of homicide would be as high as ours.
Japan has a lower homicide rate, because it's citizens do not have the INTENT to kill at the rate our citizens have.
Addressing the intent or will to kill is key to solving this problem.
<< FrancesBeansRevenge: so you're basicly tell me we should lose our humanity and sensitivty to tragedy if we have no plan to prevent future occurances of similar events. am i the parents that raised that killer? did i know the killer and mocked him as a child? did i somehow cause this? i dont' have any direct means to help this situation so am i not allowed to express shock and sadness over deaths of others?
"holy crap" expressed my shock at the tragedy, that's what i felt and meant.
and obviously i didn't post this and continue merrily if i'm still in this thread having this discussion right now.
i rather be the limited power emotional human i am, than have a heartless view of the world like you. emotions are a vital part of humantity. no offense intended. >>
How dare you question my humanity you scumbag. I choose to distance myself from the pain the world has to offer. You feel such sorrow for those children in Japan? And your day is been affected by it? Why isnt every day affected by it? Because the story isnt in the headlines? Death is there you know... for thousands of children in horrible circumstances everyday... war zones, AIDS in Africa, innercity US, etc etc.... you and and I both know its there. I sure hope you distribute your sorrow evenly... or do you dish out your sorrow to those few victims who make it to Yahoo headlines?
I can't FEEL enough for the whole world. Therefore I cant let myself feel for those I dont know, have no connection with, etc... If I did I WOULDNT BE DOING ANYTHING ELSE BUT feeling for them. And MY feelings... my sorrow.. are not just nicely little wrapped up statements on a message board like 'Geez, how terrible
'.... if I hurt for someone I HURT for them... therefore I cant hurt for everyone.... I just don't have enough to cover the pain and horror this world contains. Perhaps you are far more emotionally strong than I and have no problems feeling for all the hurt in the world on a daily basis... I imagine a smile never crosses your face. How very heroic of you.BTW, I suppose doctors, paramedics, police etc, whos very ABILITY to do thier job properly DEPENDS on distancing themselves emotionally somewhat from the pain and horror they see everyday, have no humanity in them either huh? Well I hope I can speak for a few of us big, bad mean non-caring, non-humans out there when I say a big FU.
That said I will no longer argue this in this thread. PM me is you wish to further explain to me that I lack a heart and any shred of humanity.
Good day to you sir.
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<< Let the stupid idiots post about "knife control". They bleat like sheep. They are sheep.
Its much easier to just go about one's life ignoring the problems around them then doing something about it... except, of course, when it hits you directly. But then it is always to late... >>
Funny, sheep are unarmed, i.e., defenseless animals. It seems to me the gungrabbers WANT us to be sheep -- unarmed, defenseless followers of the party line.
dc, you are not alone... i am thoroughly shocked and engrossed by the incident. i didnt even go thru the link, what is there to read?
Shocked? How can anyone be shocked by an incident such as this? Are you new to this world? Where have you been? Just to catch you up on things this world is a BIG BAD place where tragedies such as this, and pain such as this, occur FAR too often.
frances:
whoa, chill down. no need for namecalling. i did not post to try to offend you, i am trying to better understand your view and reasons. please don't degenerate this into a flame war.
i did not accuse you of lacking humanity, just of having a colder than average perspective of life. people die all the time obviously, do i hear of it constantly? is it always brought to my attention? no, but when it is i can't help but to feel sadness or express shock when it happens. what's so wrong with that? you just say ok and continue as if nothing happened? good for you, that's your right, you can have whatever world view you wish to adopt. but you're the one one who basicly bashed us emotional softies that get saddened by the lost of others, even if we don't know the victims or their families.
doctors, police, etc distance themselves, but are you saying they fell no sadness or emotions? of course they do. they feel, but have to continue on, dwelling on those events would only be detrimental to their work and others. it is this same type of distancing i practice. this specific tragedy of little children being killed saddens me and disturbs me, but what can i do? let this sadness consume me and eat away at me? as you have noted, obviously not or else i would be consumed 24 hours a day 365 days a year. i personally said a private prayer for the victims and familty and contined my day.
gah, here goes my trekkie analogy to show my geekiness.
your philosophy is very vulcanlike/non emotional. it is illogical to mourn for the dead, no good can come from dwelling in the past, it is only logical to learn from the mistakes and continue on full speed ahead. illogical to waste time dwelling on hampering emotions.
but without emotions and compassion we would be a stagnated society failing apart where no one gives a crap what happens to others. sadly that is the direction where our society is heading. =/
my 2 cents.
whoa, chill down. no need for namecalling. i did not post to try to offend you, i am trying to better understand your view and reasons. please don't degenerate this into a flame war.
i did not accuse you of lacking humanity, just of having a colder than average perspective of life. people die all the time obviously, do i hear of it constantly? is it always brought to my attention? no, but when it is i can't help but to feel sadness or express shock when it happens. what's so wrong with that? you just say ok and continue as if nothing happened? good for you, that's your right, you can have whatever world view you wish to adopt. but you're the one one who basicly bashed us emotional softies that get saddened by the lost of others, even if we don't know the victims or their families.
doctors, police, etc distance themselves, but are you saying they fell no sadness or emotions? of course they do. they feel, but have to continue on, dwelling on those events would only be detrimental to their work and others. it is this same type of distancing i practice. this specific tragedy of little children being killed saddens me and disturbs me, but what can i do? let this sadness consume me and eat away at me? as you have noted, obviously not or else i would be consumed 24 hours a day 365 days a year. i personally said a private prayer for the victims and familty and contined my day.
gah, here goes my trekkie analogy to show my geekiness.
your philosophy is very vulcanlike/non emotional. it is illogical to mourn for the dead, no good can come from dwelling in the past, it is only logical to learn from the mistakes and continue on full speed ahead. illogical to waste time dwelling on hampering emotions.
but without emotions and compassion we would be a stagnated society failing apart where no one gives a crap what happens to others. sadly that is the direction where our society is heading. =/
my 2 cents.
Perhaps your shock, horror and dismay should be extended on a daily basis to these poor children:
http://fyi.cnn.com/fyi/backgrounders/aids.africa/stories/women.children/
Perhaps you would like to join this org. to help resuce children from the everyday horrors some face in everyday life in the Middle East: http://www.mecaforpeace.org/
I will post more. Let me know how much daily free time and emotion you have.
http://fyi.cnn.com/fyi/backgrounders/aids.africa/stories/women.children/
Perhaps you would like to join this org. to help resuce children from the everyday horrors some face in everyday life in the Middle East: http://www.mecaforpeace.org/
I will post more. Let me know how much daily free time and emotion you have.
so you're basicly showing that you distance/desensitize yourself from pain/hurt/suffering of all others?
<< Shocked? How can anyone be shocked by an incident such as this? Are you new to this world? Where have you been? Just to catch you up on things this world is a BIG BAD place where tragedies such as this, and pain such as this, occur FAR too often. >>
I am sorry, but stabbing 8 7-8 year old kids with knife to death is shocking to me. It takes a total inhuman person to do this. Tim McVeigh at least did not have to kill each of his victim up close and personnal and see the suffering on their face.
To be not shock by such horrible act is just cold blood, don't assume that everyone in the world should follow your behavior. And if people simply just stop reacting to this kind of act, this kind of tragedy will happen much than it has to be.
<< frances:
whoa, chill down. no need for namecalling. i did not post to try to offend you, i am trying to better understand your view and reasons. please don't degenerate this into a flame war. >>
Fair enough. I mistook your post. My apologies.
<< ]but you're the one one who basicly bashed us emotional softies that get saddened by the lost of others, even if we don't know the victims or their families. >>
Please reread the thread. I posted in response to this
<< f is wrong with you guys? show some tact >>
and
<< so feel free to continue your light hearted/sarcastic remarks on this tragedy >>
.
I simply dont agree with those statements. What reaction did you expect here? Is this a NEWS post to inform or is this a mourning thread to express sympathies? It appeared to me to be the former. I would NOT have participated in the latter because I feel it is largely a useless excercise. Would I feel the sameway if I was somehow connected to the victim(s)? Of course not.
And I also wasn't aware that sarcastic=light-hearted. My first comment was indeed sarcastic but it was certainly not lighthearted.
Anyway, we will agree to approach the world from whatever angle each of us needs to in order to get by. Any further discussion is senseless as I am sure you will agree.
<< Shocked? How can anyone be shocked by an incident such as this? Are you new to this world? Where have you been? Just to catch you up on things this world is a BIG BAD place where tragedies such as this, and pain such as this, occur FAR too often. >>
hey mr. wise guy, get off the high horse and quit trying to play "you aint seen nothing yet telling game" following your logic, there should be no tragedies, no miracles, no nothing just one dull boring pile of unainmate incidents. the way you percieve thing is totally subjective and everyone has right to be so, dont be so judgemental. i been up for over 24 hours and wasnt really in the mood to articulate that well, but you gotta understand people have different thought process and experiences therefore they feel different about things. for instance, i dont really think the pearl harbor was that big of the deal, nor i think abortion is an unforgivable sin. THATS MY OPINION HOWEVER, i do not go around trying to 'enlighten' others in such an obnoxious way. if thats the way you respond to others replies, you wont find many friends online i am sure
<< so you're basicly showing that you distance/desensitize yourself from pain/hurt/suffering of all others? >>
Of those that I have ZERO connection with and/or I can't do anything about? Absolutely.
When Nowheremom from this forum 'died' I was badly upset. It took just that small of a connection. If I felt that sorrow for every person I am aware of that dies or suffers it would effectively end my own life.
Is it judgemental to respond to defend myself against being called heartless or cold and to having my humanity questioned (I thought)? Who's judgemental here again?
<< I will post more. Let me know how much daily free time and emotion you have >>
so what are you trying to prove? are you saying i should not blink my eyes at what was done to those poor kids? men realize things when they are put bluntly and brought to them upfront, if what you post happens to catch my attention then i might take a serious look at what you posted and learn soemthing from it. but with that attitude of yours in that reply the chances of me following your link is pretty much non existant
i wasnt the one who accused anyone of anything, next time read the threads carefully and make sure to whom you are responding
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<< Shocked? How can anyone be shocked by an incident such as this? Are you new to this world? Where have you been? Just to catch you up on things this world is a BIG BAD place where tragedies such as this, and pain such as this, occur FAR too often. >>
hey mr. wise guy, get off the high horse and quit trying to play "you aint seen nothing yet telling game" following your logic, there should be no tragedies, no miracles, no nothing just one dull boring pile of unainmate incidents. the way you percieve thing is totally subjective and everyone has right to be so, dont be so judgemental. i been up for over 24 hours and wasnt really in the mood to articulate that well, but you gotta understand people have different thought process and experiences therefore they feel different about things. for instance, i dont really think the pearl harbor was that big of the deal, nor i think abortion is an unforgivable sin. THATS MY OPINION HOWEVER, i do not go around trying to 'enlighten' others in such an obnoxious way. if thats the way you respond to others replies, you wont find many friends online i am sure >>
Ummm.... hmmm. I think you followed the wrong logic because thats certainly NOT where mine ends up. Want me to draw you a map?
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