Holy Crap Metal Gear is confusing!

[Stiganator]

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[Shadow Conception]

Depends on what you mean by understand. If you mean the intricate details of stuff like the Patriots, then I'm pretty sure not even Kojima himself understands those. However, if you can't get the general gist of the story (character development, plot, rivalries, deaths, etc.), then you either weren't paying attention or are disabled in the area of comprehension.

 

[Stiganator]

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[NikolaeVarius]

Yes

If you want, Gametrailers has an entire explanation of the story.

 

[gorcorps]

Anybody who claims they 100% understand everything in the MG story line is a lying fuck who is just trying to earn net cred. It's a convoluted mess that frankly isn't spelled out that well.

 

[UnderPantKnome]

Part 1 was okay, but 2 is still confusing to me after a couple of play throughs. I'm about to start on 3 and then 4, hopefully the storyline is much simpler.

 

[Kromis]

Originally posted by: tenshodo13
Yes

If you want, Gametrailers has an entire explanation of the story.

This

 

[biggestmuff]

Originally posted by: UnderPantKnome
Part 1 was okay, but 2 is still confusing to me after a couple of play throughs. I'm about to start on 3 and then 4, hopefully the storyline is much simpler.

Bwahaha.

It doesn't matter. Once a new MGS game is released the entire story will change again.

MGS3 only further confused people due to the timeframe that it takes place. Some people still think they played that game as Solid Snake.

 

[Stiganator]

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[Cabages]

Originally posted by: Stiganator
Later Naked Snake becomes Big Boss when he kills The Boss, whom had a child with The Sorrow, the child being Ocelot

Shit for real? Damn I played through all the games at least twice and I somehow missed this.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Stiganator
MGS3 is played as Naked Snake right? Later Naked Snake becomes Big Boss when he kills The Boss, whom had a child with The Sorrow, the child being Ocelot, whom later merges with Liquid Snake to become Liquid Ocelot???? That about right?

Holy fuck, and people say the MGS story is great? 😕

 

[DanTMWTMP]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Stiganator
MGS3 is played as Naked Snake right? Later Naked Snake becomes Big Boss when he kills The Boss, whom had a child with The Sorrow, the child being Ocelot, whom later merges with Liquid Snake to become Liquid Ocelot???? That about right?

Holy fuck, and people say the MGS story is great? 😕

no, ocelot makes people think he turned into liquid. He had his entire agenda to use Snake to destroy the Patriots with him. Ocelot always respected Naked Snake, and used Solid Snake to finish what Naked Snake wanted to do: get rid of the Patriots.

 

[mmntech]

It does require the gamer to be familiar with the series to fully understand it. As someone else said, check out Gametrailers' Retrospective on the series. The game is frustrating enough as it is without the strange story line.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Stiganator
MGS3 is played as Naked Snake right? Later Naked Snake becomes Big Boss when he kills The Boss, whom had a child with The Sorrow, the child being Ocelot, whom later merges with Liquid Snake to become Liquid Ocelot???? That about right?

Holy fuck, and people say the MGS story is great? 😕

If you boil down ANY great story to just the bare basics, and you can look at it and say "really? that's great? am I missing something?"
how the details are wrapped up in the more little things is what helps weave it into a good story.
I haven't played MGS3, the only one I haven't, so I'm missing out on a lot of the 'history' aspect, but I didn't have much trouble following the story of MGS, 2, and 4. Some elements in 2 took my mind for a ride though.
The biggest thing is, if you get hung-up on the pure realism factor, than the entire story is going to be a steaming pile of shit in your mind. But if you take into context the possibility of cloning and these various other concepts introduced in the earlier games, then I personally think it all becomes rather logical and is presented wonderfully. Some concepts are rather 'out there' but in the context of the original storyline, it all comes together and feels right.

 

[BoberFett]

Japanese game designers make incredible games. Their writers on the other hand are morons. There's apparently something wrong with Japanese culture that prevents them from creating coherent narratives or using punctuation properly.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Japanese game designers make incredible games. Their writers on the other hand are morons. There's apparently something wrong with Japanese culture that prevents them from creating coherent narratives or using punctuation properly.

I thought most of the MGS series was perfectly coherent. Its just that over the span of the entire series, details here and there just get lost.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: tenshodo13

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Japanese game designers make incredible games. Their writers on the other hand are morons. There's apparently something wrong with Japanese culture that prevents them from creating coherent narratives or using punctuation properly.

I thought most of the MGS series was perfectly coherent. Its just that over the span of the entire series, details here and there just get lost.

It's not just Metal Gear. It's all Japanese games. The stories are terrible. We get it already, they like plot twists over there. The rest of the world has moved on from that has-been gimmick.

 

[TecHNooB]

MGS1 and MGS3 were great.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: gorcorps
Anybody who claims they 100% understand everything in the MG story line is a lying fuck who is just trying to earn net cred. It's a convoluted mess that frankly isn't spelled out that well.

It's not THAT hard to understand. MGS2 was pretty convoluted, but a lot of answers came in MGS3 and a lot more in MGS4. In fact, MGS4 pretty much answered all of the questions.

My only problem with the MGS games is the way Snake tends to talk. He likes to repeat things a lot. Otakon will say something about Metal Gear, and Snake will respond with "Metal Gear??" The script in MGS3 was much better than the other games. Apparently Big Boss is just a better speaker than Solid Snake 😛

 

[IEC]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: tenshodo13

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Japanese game designers make incredible games. Their writers on the other hand are morons. There's apparently something wrong with Japanese culture that prevents them from creating coherent narratives or using punctuation properly.

I thought most of the MGS series was perfectly coherent. Its just that over the span of the entire series, details here and there just get lost.

It's not just Metal Gear. It's all Japanese games. The stories are terrible. We get it already, they like plot twists over there. The rest of the world has moved on from that has-been gimmick.

Aho ka?

??!

 

[I4AT]

Laugh, so apparently those of you that play these crap games sit through all those god awful cutscenes for no reason, because none of you seem to even know wtf is going on.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Originally posted by: I4AT
Laugh, so apparently those of you that play these crap games sit through all those god awful cutscenes for no reason, because none of you seem to even know wtf is going on.

The MGS series is far from crap, actually, MGS4 is an easy GOTY contender, and the previous MGS's have been lauded for their gameplay.

Secondly, many of the cutscenes (for me anyway) are quite enjoyable to watch thanks to great directing and genuine interest in whats happening in the story. They are far from awful, they are just very long.

 

[ZzZGuy]

Ah, MSG. I only played the first one and all I remember is the "Alert" sound, that T-Rex mech and a cutscene admiring how a certain woman shakes her booty when she walks.

That is the the storyline as I know it.

 

[Childs]

I started with MGS4 and the story was clear enough. I also looked through the database to fill in some of the gaps, but really, most of it doesnt matter. Sneak around and kill people is all you need to know. I didnt get the joke with Mantis and the PS1 cards until I saw someone play and they said thats how you beat him in one of the earlier games. At the time not knowing that didnt hurt the experience...just thought it was weird. Heck, I didnt know who Psycho Mantis was, but I know he was a bad guy and needed killing. Dont need a history lesson to know that.

 

[biggestmuff]

Originally posted by: Childs
I started with MGS4 and the story was clear enough. I also looked through the database to fill in some of the gaps, but really, most of it doesnt matter. Sneak around and kill people is all you need to know. I didnt get the joke with Mantis and the PS1 cards until I saw someone play and they said thats how you beat him in one of the earlier games. At the time not knowing that didnt hurt the experience...just thought it was weird. Heck, I didnt know who Psycho Mantis was, but I know he was a bad guy and needed killing. Dont need a history lesson to know that.

It was clear enough? There's no way you understood everything.

Sorry, but you missed out on a lot. Revisiting Shadow Moses, seeing the downed chopper from MGS at Shadow Moses, the great battle at the end of Act 4 (RAY vs REX), the final battle between Snake and Liquid/Ocelot. They just wouldn't have had the same impact to someone just jumping into the series with MGS4 as they would to a longtime MGS fan.