Holy Crap, an 805 is CHEAPER than a 3200+ here...same price as a 3000+ basically

[dug777]

I wonder which one Joe Average will buy? Indeed, i'm considering an 805, for multitasking it will spank a single core A64, and if gaming continues to move to dual core action it should shine in that area too in teh future...

I think it will be wisest for me to wait and grab a cheap X2/opty dual core as you all jump ship in Q3 however

 

[TrevorRC]

True that. If Conroe numbers turn out to be true, and most of these X2/Opty people do jump ship... it'll be a great time to buy a dual core!

 

[evenmore1]

I like both companies products, but that PD 805 is too good a deal to pass up! Perfect low-cost everclocker too

edit: It's performance isn't so sweet, but it's good enough for most things

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: evenmore1
I like both companies products, but that PD 805 is too good a deal to pass up! Perfect low-cost everclocker too

edit: It's performance isn't so sweet, but it's good enough for most things

well, as i said, for multitasking & to a lesser extent dual core patched games it should be considerably better than a low end single core A64...

 

[hans007]

yeahd i'd assume if you play call of duty or quake4/doom3 which have dual core patches you'd be gold. it should still be reasonably decent for other games , if you arent a hardcore gamer, not to mention if you have saya bunch of antivirus software or dvdshrink running in the background you'd really not notice it.

2.66ghz is plenty for basically anthing but games.

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: evenmore1
I like both companies products, but that PD 805 is too good a deal to pass up! Perfect low-cost everclocker too

edit: It's performance isn't so sweet, but it's good enough for most things

well, as i said, for multitasking & to a lesser extent dual core patched games it should be considerably better than a low end single core A64...

If you're buying a whole new system it's cheaper, but if you have an Athlon XP DDR system and want to re-use your RAM it's not such a steal.

 

[designit]

Originally posted by: hans007
yeahd i'd assume if you play call of duty or quake4/doom3 which have dual core patches you'd be gold. it should still be reasonably decent for other games , if you arent a hardcore gamer, not to mention if you have saya bunch of antivirus software or dvdshrink running in the background you'd really not notice it.

2.66ghz is plenty for basically anthing but games.

But it Overclcoks to ~3.5ghz
the PD 920 presler is 65nm and 2x2mb L2 cache and overclcoks to 4 gigz on air (according to a reviere). Its only $251, is cheaper than A64 X2.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819116237

 

[F1shF4t]

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: evenmore1
I like both companies products, but that PD 805 is too good a deal to pass up! Perfect low-cost everclocker too

edit: It's performance isn't so sweet, but it's good enough for most things

well, as i said, for multitasking & to a lesser extent dual core patched games it should be considerably better than a low end single core A64...

If you're buying a whole new system it's cheaper, but if you have an Athlon XP DDR system and want to re-use your RAM it's not such a steal.

Thats a good point, but its not totally true, u can still get boards which will have DDR and agp such as Asus p5p800 se(its not easy to find though). I dont know if any pci express boards with ddr which support intel dual cores exist though.

 

[TanisHalfElven]

so intell's new strategy is cheap cpus. reminds of the old amd. i guess if you can't beat the top chips atleast beat the chips in some price ranges. am i right ?

edit
sweet deal i hae top say. ofcourse it can't match my opty but still close.
also how does the presler 920 compare to an opteron 165 or x2 3800+. cuz those are the chips the 920 is competing with.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven
so intell's new strategy is cheap cpus. reminds of the old amd. i guess if you can't beat the top chips atleast beat the chips in some price ranges. am i right ?

edit
sweet deal i hae top say. ofcourse it can't match my opty but still close.
also how does the presler 920 compare to an opteron 165 or x2 3800+. cuz those are the chips the 920 is competing with.

If you get the 920 to 3.7, the 3800 or 165@2.5 or better will be faster, but that requires a $200 mobo to do that, to the cost is higher, and they still loose in most benchmarks. The 165 or 3800 quite often can get to 2.6,2.7 or 2.8 a fair amount of the time, and then you would need to be @4.2 or better to be in the ballpark.

X2 still rules, but an 805 on a cheap mobo with a 3.1 OC short term for some users may offer some value. (thats a lot of special circumstances! to make it worth getting IMO)

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven
so intell's new strategy is cheap cpus. reminds of the old amd. i guess if you can't beat the top chips atleast beat the chips in some price ranges. am i right ?

edit
sweet deal i hae top say. ofcourse it can't match my opty but still close.
also how does the presler 920 compare to an opteron 165 or x2 3800+. cuz those are the chips the 920 is competing with.

If you get the 920 to 3.7, the 3800 or 165@2.5 or better will be faster, but that requires a $200 mobo to do that, to the cost is higher, and they still loose in most benchmarks. The 165 or 3800 quite often can get to 2.6,2.7 or 2.8 a fair amount of the time, and then you would need to be @4.2 or better to be in the ballpark.

X2 still rules, but an 805 on a cheap mobo with a 3.1 OC short term for some users may offer some value. (thats a lot of special circumstances! to make it worth getting IMO)

wha?

for a stock chip in terms of value for money it thrashes the pants off a low end A64 once you start multitasking...let alone encoding/rendering, where for example the 820 beats a fx-57 in multithreaded apps and once games start moving to dual core i have little doubt it would be a better bet imho (just look at the 820 in the AT review http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2668&p=8 beating a fx-57 at q4)...

In terms of both now and more so in the future, unless your be all & end all is gaming, i'd grab an 805 over a 3000+ at stock (and Joe Average isn't going to overclock, is he? )

EDIT: lets get this clear tho, i'm talking about the mass market, where the big moolah is to be made, who don't overclock. Not enthusiasts at AT...

 

[Duvie]

I am concerned if the 805 which is still the crappy smithfield design are all going to be great ocers....I will wait until I see more reviews of it....Same 90nm process as the previous heaters....

I would likely rather have a presler on the 65nm design...which is the cheapest one in that lineup???

Nice DUG!!! Find the one game to take advantage of multithreaded so it ca beat an FX57 then you can try to deduct something from it...

My deduction is you haven't seen an Intel you didn't want to screw...

This is a great buy for performance/dollar, but your overly Pro Intel stance on everything makes most ppl know where your threads are going before they waste their times reading them.....

Trust me you get what you pay for...To get a decent OC ouyt of that you may have to buy a premium mobo, much better cooling....Then still may crap out around 3.4ghz....which most test show needs to be 4ghz before it starts competeing with X2's....

WAY TO SPIN IT THOUGH!!!

You are the Joker5150 of the cpu forum....

 

[Zap]

IMO people "think" they multitask way more than they actually do. Having instant messaging, your email checker and Winamp playing in the background while you are gaming does not need dual core. Encoding vids in the background, yes. Running Norton AV, yes :evil: . Most other things, no.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: Duvie
I am concerned if the 805 which is still the crappy smithfield design are all going to be great ocers....I will wait until I see more reviews of it....Same 90nm process as the previous heaters....

I would likely rather have a presler on the 65nm design...which is the cheapest one in that lineup???

Nice DUG!!! Find the one game to take advantage of multithreaded so it ca beat an FX57 then you can try to deduct something from it...

My deduction is you haven't seen an Intel you didn't want to screw...

This is a great buy for performance/dollar, but your overly Pro Intel stance on everything makes most ppl know where your threads are going before they waste their times reading them.....

Trust me you get what you pay for...To get a decent OC ouyt of that you may have to buy a premium mobo, much better cooling....Then still may crap out around 3.4ghz....which most test show needs to be 4ghz before it starts competeing with X2's....

WAY TO SPIN IT THOUGH!!!

You are the Joker5150 of the cpu forum....

wow...

way to troll & personally attack somone much? Did you bother to read my title, or the OP, where i'm commenting about the stock, bottom end of the market? the fact i repeated that? I had thought you were a little more mature than this, but clearly not...

I run an XP, i've never suggested that X2s aren't the current performance king, and single core A64s before that, so i guess you must be referring to my Conroe thread? I mention in the OP that i'm planning to pick up a cheap X2/Opty when Conroe comes out...Hardly makes me in love with intel does it?

Grow up sunshine.

EDIT: oh, i remember i posted a thread taking an interest in how well 920Ds o'cd too i think, just to help you build some backing for this childish little outburst of yours This thread was essentially commenting on the smart pricing on intels behalf at that end of the market, but anywho.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: Zap
IMO people "think" they multitask way more than they actually do. Having instant messaging, your email checker and Winamp playing in the background while you are gaming does not need dual core. Encoding vids in the background, yes. Running Norton AV, yes :evil: . Most other things, no.

Agreed, but i honestly feel 'non-enthusiast' people would 'notice' the dual core more than a faster single core about the windows desktop (and indeed, many of you have posted to this effect iirc), especially with the whale load of spyware on many people's machines, that extra core should help out there

 

[Duvie]

Just call them as I see them Dug....You are the Rollo of the cpu forum.....There isn't Intel info that isn't spinned to the positive with you.....Not just this one but your conroe threads, etc....

That is fine you are comparing to low end AMD except you may jabs at an FX57...

I can care less....I just know before going into your threads how they will be worded....805 is at first glance a gem at the bottom...If it can OC at least to 3.4ghz it can be a killer buy...If it helps mainstream get into dual cores, it also becomes a big plus for all of us....

 

[aiya24]

Originally posted by: dug777
Agreed, but i honestly feel 'non-enthusiast' people would 'notice' the dual core more than a faster single core about the windows desktop (and indeed, many of you have posted to this effect iirc), especially with the whale load of spyware on many people's machines, that extra core should help out there

QFT

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: Duvie
Just call them as I see them Dug....You are the Rollo of the cpu forum.....There isn't Intel info that isn't spinned to the positive with you.....Not just this one but your conroe threads, etc....

That is fine you are comparing to low end AMD except you may jabs at an FX57...

I can care less....I just know before going into your threads how they will be worded....805 is at first glance a gem at the bottom...If it can OC at least to 3.4ghz it can be a killer buy...If it helps mainstream get into dual cores, it also becomes a big plus for all of us....

i made no jabs at the FX-57, i was merely pointing out how the 820 stacked up against it in the AT review, in multithreaded and a dual gaming app, on the off chance that they might be representative of the future of gaming (the other gaming app that is dual core being GPU limited, and thus rather worthless, other than to show the 820 on par with a FX57 in a GPU limited situation)

this thread was intended to comment on what i saw as very smart pricing on intel's part for the mass market (joe average, who doesn't oc), dual core at entry level competetors prices...

 

[Markfw]

this thread was intended to comment on what i saw as very smart pricing on intel's part for the mass market (joe average, who doesn't oc), dual core at entry level competetors prices...

Very smart pricing ? Or are they loosing money, and trying to stifle competition ? I find it hard to believe that they are making money on this chip, but it they are, it can;t be much. And again, the average person you talk of doen;t need dual-core just to let antispyware run in the background.....

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
I find it hard to believe that they are making money on this chip, but it they are, it can;t be much.

Don't worry, Intel's making money. Probably cost them about $50 to make one.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Zap

Originally posted by: Markfw900
I find it hard to believe that they are making money on this chip, but it they are, it can;t be much.

Don't worry, Intel's making money. Probably cost them about $50 to make one.

Or less!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Remember it is not about the cost to make but also the R&D that goes into the chip and the capital imrovements for the d1D fab that built these...Its longevity will be rather short as we continue the die shrinks...

 

[hans007]

well , they are trying to clear inventory of the 8xx dies. all of intel's financial reports say they have excess inventory and it is likely these chips and probably older 6xx and 5xx series chips they are talking about. the 9xx costs them less to make and is better in every way. thats why there are heavy discounts to oems like dell and for these 805 chips on the market.


i think the idea of making th e805 was a smart one for them. they are clearing inventory but the 805 at stock is not nearly fast enough to compete with the 920 etc. the 9xx chips are pretty much flying off the shelves. you cant even configure dells with 920 and 930 chips right now because they are out of stock.


the 805 is a pretty good chip, i'd say the 805 and 820 are pretty good honestly for the price oems pay for them (which is supposedly like $150 for the 820) the 830/840 not so because of well their heat and much higher cost. i'm sure though that in 4-5 months the 805 will disappear from the market with the 920 and all the 8 series chips.