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DrPizza

DrPizza

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For those afraid of doing their own car repairs...
Son did one side, then after getting the practice on one side, bet me he could do the other side - replace the pads & replace the rotor in less than 10 minutes, including jacking up the car, taking the tire off, putting the tire back on, and taking the car off the jack.

9 minutes; should have been done in 7, but had trouble because the caliper was stuck on the rotor.

I've never seen someone make it look so easy. I took a couple pictures, but wish I had videotaped it.
 
Originally posted by: amdhunter
How old is your son?
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He's 18 now. I just looked at the times on the pictures - more than half of the 9 minutes was putting the tire on/off & jacking the car. His first tool was a cordless screwdriver when he was 2 years old. He was using a drill, screwdrivers, jigsaw, hammers, etc., by the age of 4 to make birdhouses. Oddly, real tools (homeowner quality) are cheaper than fisher price tools.
 
He's not going into mechanics; he's heading off to college in a few weeks to major in biology, and will later decide whether he wants environmental biology, else veterinary school (probably Cornell)
 
I would doubt the 9 mins time, especially since he had to jack it up, support it, remove the wheel, then the brake parts. And to do it properly requires cleaning and lubing of the slide pins. So 9 mins is a bit fast in my view. On average, even a good mechanic needs about 20 mins per wheel .. more if they are drum brakes, as the springs get tricky.
 
Originally posted by: bruceb
On average, even a good mechanic needs about 20 mins per wheel .. more if they are drum brakes, as the springs get tricky.
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To do it correctly, yeah no way in 9 minutes...but to just slap on some pads, that will more than likely make noise and wear out prematurely..and then leave your greasy mitt prints all over the rotors.....9 minutes is no problem. 🙂

 
While your son no doubt is highly mechanically inclined it may be a good idea to
remind him to take a little longer to re-check the job, did he re-torque the lugs
nuts to spec?, if he didn't and the rotors warp that few minutes saved is gonna
cost him a bit...
 
Originally posted by: DrPizza
He's not going into mechanics; he's heading off to college in a few weeks to major in biology, and will later decide whether he wants environmental biology, else veterinary school (probably Cornell)
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He's 18. I bet he ends up doing neither.

At least, when I was 18, I was sure I was going to major in biology and go to med school. By the time I was 20, I had a bigger interest in quantitative economics, graduated, wrote market segmentation models for a living, and then decided to go to law school at night. Now that I'm 26, I'm starting to think about the MCAT... scary 🙂

Environmental biology is pretty cool, though. My cousin has a PhD in that field. As for me, the first year bio courses were too rote and boring for me to suffer through.
 
Originally posted by: alphatarget1
He didn't get the rotors cut and torque everything down right? 😛 just kidding good job!
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Why would he get the rotors turned? He replaced the rotors with new rotors. His pads have a weird mechanism to hold them in place too... Not like ones I'm used to. The piston is sort of hollow at the end & the clip is in the middle of the pad. Not a bit of squealing, and yes, he did retorque the lugnuts once the car was off the jack.
 
Me and my friend (I'm 16 hes 17) did rear rotors and pads on my Dads 2002 Explorer last weekend, was fun. Brembo OEM replacement rotors + Hawk HTS Light Truck/SUV pads.
 
That is quick. I've done mine but never that quick per side!

As you said, you don't turn new rotors, so no problem!
 
Originally posted by: DrPizza
He's not going into mechanics; he's heading off to college in a few weeks to major in biology, and will later decide whether he wants environmental biology, else veterinary school (probably Cornell)
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Let him choose veterinary and then let him bet you on how long it would take to fully castrate a goat :Q
 
Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
Originally posted by: DrPizza
He's not going into mechanics; he's heading off to college in a few weeks to major in biology, and will later decide whether he wants environmental biology, else veterinary school (probably Cornell)
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Let him choose veterinary and then let him bet you on how long it would take to fully castrate a goat :Q
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Takes me less than 1 minute. 😛 There are 3 methods: surgical (leaves a wound that could possibly get infected; least desireable), crush the cord, or band them. I choose the latter. I've been wondering recently why people don't do their dogs that way. Costs about 8 cents.
 
if he successfully finished one side, why would the other one be more difficult?

I was expecting he was 12-13...not such a feat by 18. At 16, I redid most of a 1966 Mustang GT.
 
With the talk of Cornell, I realized that Mr. Pizza is only 3 hours away :Q. I'd try to make some corny joke with him being beyond Bath (trying to make it like Bed, Bath and Beyond), but I'm just coming up dry right now.
 
Originally posted by: DrPizza
Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
Originally posted by: DrPizza
He's not going into mechanics; he's heading off to college in a few weeks to major in biology, and will later decide whether he wants environmental biology, else veterinary school (probably Cornell)
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Let him choose veterinary and then let him bet you on how long it would take to fully castrate a goat :Q
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Takes me less than 1 minute. 😛 There are 3 methods: surgical (leaves a wound that could possibly get infected; least desireable), crush the cord, or band them. I choose the latter. I've been wondering recently why people don't do their dogs that way. Costs about 8 cents.
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so banding is uneventful for you? That's a nice summary....cost 8 cents.

The main reason is really it would be a real event doing this for most people. The dog will be flailing around a while, the owner possibly bit. Pets are a protected class more or less. Livestock is not.

Livestock<pets<people. Their levels of treatment scale the same way.

Also banding does lead to infections and other problems especially if you are considering the surgical method was performed in a sterile environment. You are talking what should be just a small incision versus what will be a pretty decent amount of tissue eventually dying and falling off. However, 'surgical' on the farm is often taking your 'buck' knife that you just used to scape cow shit off your boot into the O.R.

 
I've never had an animal "flailing around" after banding; they don't even flinch. In fact, the first time I did it, I wondered if I did it wrong because of the complete lack of a reaction to having the band applied. And, everyone with any sense knows to keep the area sterilized despite the non-invasiveness of the procedure. Your "buck knife" comment is rather silly. You'd have to be an idiot to think that a farmer would use something dirty like that to perform any sort of surgical procedure. With 100's or 1000's of dollars at stake with each animal, you're a fool to think that a farmer wouldn't invest a couple dollars in sterile medical equipment. Suture kits are only a couple of dollars; scalpels run around 70 cents,... I'm always amazed at how cheap sterile medical equipment is that's for sale as "veterinary use only, not for use on humans" that's identical to what's used on humans. We just picked up a couple hundred syringes with needles a couple weeks ago; I think it worked out to less than 10 cents per injection. I just got back from a rather large show at a state fair; all of the larger breeders there had supplies on hand to cover just about any possible emergency.
 
Originally posted by: DrPizza
I've never had an animal "flailing around" after banding; they don't even flinch. In fact, the first time I did it, I wondered if I did it wrong because of the complete lack of a reaction to having the band applied. And, everyone with any sense knows to keep the area sterilized despite the non-invasiveness of the procedure. Your "buck knife" comment is rather silly. You'd have to be an idiot to think that a farmer would use something dirty like that to perform any sort of surgical procedure. With 100's or 1000's of dollars at stake with each animal, you're a fool to think that a farmer wouldn't invest a couple dollars in sterile medical equipment. Suture kits are only a couple of dollars; scalpels run around 70 cents,... I'm always amazed at how cheap sterile medical equipment is that's for sale as "veterinary use only, not for use on humans" that's identical to what's used on humans. We just picked up a couple hundred syringes with needles a couple weeks ago; I think it worked out to less than 10 cents per injection. I just got back from a rather large show at a state fair; all of the larger breeders there had supplies on hand to cover just about any possible emergency.
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Just because you have some livestock doesn't make you a farmer.

Just because of your personal experience and the way you think things happen doesn't make it reality.

They didn't even do surgery on people with sterile instruments when they were available originally.

Most of the real farmer's don't have $100's to $1000's in each animal at birth. Banding is well documented and usually reserved for goats.

Sterile instruments also are only half the issue. You have field, surroundings, recovery, etc.... You would think you would have understood that.
 
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