Discussion Holmes and Potter and Maxwell, Oh My!

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All to the jury at the same time. Which one comes back first? And how do they go? Place your bets now.

 

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O'Rilly?


Jurors in Kim Potter cop trial ask judge about not being able to reach a verdict

The Baltimore Sun|22 minutes ago
Jurors weighing the case of suburban Minneapolis police officer Kim Potter, who shot and killed Black motorist Daunte Wright, asked the judge what they should do if they can't reach a verdict.

 

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Potter going into day three.

Maxwell, day two or three, reviewing witness testimony.

Haven't read much on Holmes, just random blather.

 

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Still nothing.

 

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A what now????

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — The jury reached a “trial outcome” Thursday in the manslaughter trial of suburban Minneapolis police officer Kim Potter, who shot and killed Black motorist Daunte Wright after she says she mistook her gun for her Taser.

Court spokesman Nik Nadeau said he did not know whether the notice of a “trial outcome” published on a state court website meant that verdicts had been reached. During the jury’s second day of deliberations, it asked Judge Regina Chu how to proceed if jury members were having difficulty agreeing, and she instructed them to keep talking.

The jury began deliberations on Monday. The outcome will be read in court between 1:30 p.m. and 2 p.m. CST.

Kim Potter guilty of manslaughter in Daunte Wright's death

A suburban Minneapolis police officer who said she confused her handgun for her Taser was convicted of manslaughter in the death of Daunte Wright.

apnews.com

 

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Guilty of Manslaughter

Kim Potter, ex-Minnesota officer, found guilty of manslaughter in death of Daunte Wright

Potter, who is white, said she meant to use her Taser on Wright, a 20-year-old Black man, but drew her handgun by mistake and fired a fatal shot.

www.nbcnews.com

 

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Guilty of Manslaughter

Kim Potter, ex-Minnesota officer, found guilty of manslaughter in death of Daunte Wright

Potter, who is white, said she meant to use her Taser on Wright, a 20-year-old Black man, but drew her handgun by mistake and fired a fatal shot.

www.nbcnews.com

Beat me by a hair.

She has to remain in jail until sentencing in Feb. Minnesota guidelines recommend between 6 and 8.5 years. The prosecution had said they intended to seek a longer sentence.

 

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It's all screwed up though. There is not a hint of intent. Just a major mistake with the worst possible consequences. BUT, when a supposedly highly trained professional makes that kind of mistake, it's negligence.

 

[eelw]

It's all screwed up though. There is not a hint of intent. Just a major mistake with the worst possible consequences. BUT, when a supposedly highly trained professional makes that kind of mistake, it's negligence.

So you’re saying she should walk free like Rittenhouse? No intent, most definitely. Gross failure on her duty to serve and protect. But I wouldn’t be surprised if the judge does give her a sentence on the lower end

 

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No, that punk had all the intent in the world and should have gotten life.

 

[Ken g6]

So you’re saying she should walk free like Rittenhouse? No intent, most definitely. Gross failure on her duty to serve and protect. But I wouldn’t be surprised if the judge does give her a sentence on the lower end

It was a major mistake, but Wright was menacing with a deadly weapon (a car). That is actually somewhat similar to Rittenhouse. She should never be allowed to carry a gun again, but I think she should walk free.

Edit: I suppose that means prosecutors charged her with too much and/or she didn't take a plea deal to allow her to walk free.

 

[MtnMan]

Judge wants Maxwell jury to deliberate on 12/23... Their response "no thanks, we have plans" We'll be back Monday.

Judge in Maxwell trial asked jurors to deliberate Thursday. They said, 'No, thank you' | CNN

Jurors in Ghislaine Maxwell's sex trafficking trial have paused their deliberations until Monday morning in New York.

www.cnn.com

 

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This one's still thinking about it ....

Jurors review recordings of Holmes' boasts to investors

SAN JOSE, Calif. (AP) —

www.sfgate.com

 

[Ajay]

It's all screwed up though. There is not a hint of intent. Just a major mistake with the worst possible consequences. BUT, when a supposedly highly trained professional makes that kind of mistake, it's negligence.

Maybe I've lost my mind, again, but I thought manslaughter was exactly that. One doesn't have any intent to kill, and yet does. I honestly don't know if she made a mistake or not - I'm not a mind reader.

On another note, there are training systems that help condition officers to act rationally even in the face of high adrenaline situations. The vast majority of towns/cities are unable/unwilling to pay for such training.

 

[Muse]

No, that punk had all the intent in the world and should have gotten life.

Mofo, which punk ya blathering about? Rittenhouse or Potter? Rittenhouse, I figure. Agreed, guilty at least, the sentence isn't my schtick. Potter? Honestly I don't know how they could convict on this, I didn't hear and see all the evidence, just what's on TV but I'm sure she intended to use her taser and blew it. I wouldn't convict and this really bothers me. I wonder if she can appeal. No jury could convince me to convict her and send her to 6+ years of prison.

 

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Maybe I've lost my mind, again, but I thought manslaughter was exactly that. One doesn't have any intent to kill, and yet does. I honestly don't know if she made a mistake or not - I'm not a mind reader.

On another note, there are training systems that help condition officers to act rationally even in the face of high adrenaline situations. The vast majority of towns/cities are unable/unwilling to pay for such training.

Dude you're thick as a brick.

And yes, you've definitely lost your mind.

 

[eelw]

I don’t get the people who think this verdict is unwarranted. Like the trucker guy, 110 years is insane. But people are not just demanding clemency to reduce his sentence. It sounds like people want him to get fully pardoned. He drove at insane speeds when he knew he had brake issues. He had a path to drive avoiding the crowded area. But because it was less safe for him, he chose continue on the highway and crashed and create a chain reaction.

Back to Potter, fine she made a mistake. Yes she panicked and tried to apprehend Wright when he panicked trying to escape. But her actions took his life and when he crashed, he injured someone else. That person now has a lifetime of complications. Again I do hope the judge won’t give the maximum sentence. But she has to be culpable for the life she took.

Even in a self defense case, they shouldn’t get off scot free unless they were truly being attacked and truly feared for their life. Rittenhouse wasn’t being attacked with intention of killing him. Those people wanted to apprehend him. They weren’t the Jan 6 mob looking to kill Pelosi.

 

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I don’t get the people who think this verdict is unwarranted. Like the trucker guy, 110 years is insane.

The truck driver was hell of reckless, ignored the huge danger and he damn well knew it. Potter made a mistake and she didn't know it until she heard the gun go off. The difference is monumental. You don't get that???

 

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The truck driver was hell of reckless, ignored the huge danger and he damn well knew it. Potter made a mistake and she didn't know it until she heard the gun go off. The difference is monumental. You don't get that???

You don't get to accidentally kill people without consequences. She was a cop, which makes this "oopsie" even more unacceptable.

 

[Muse]

You don't get to accidentally kill people without consequences. She was a cop, which makes this "oopsie" even more unacceptable.

People do accidently kill people without consequence, using their automobiles.

It's not acceptable to kill someone with a gun accidently in general, but it wasn't like she had the slightest intention to kill or injure anybody. Slapping a gross sentence on her, is that going to improve law enforcement, make other cops more careful, better trained, more conscientious in the way they do their work? What benefit does it have? I'm not a guy who sides with cops a lot when they shoot people, I'm very much the opposite. I figure way way many cops are trigger happy, pull their guns when they shouldn't, shoot to kill without consulting their imagination or exploring deescalation, but I don't see throwing the book at Potter as helping these issues. Now, there are undoubtedly subtleties concerning what went down that I'm not aware of. But from what I've seen I'm not aware of it being a breach IF she had used her taser there... that's what she thought she was doing, of that I'm sure.

 

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I don’t get the people who think this verdict is unwarranted. Like the trucker guy, 110 years is insane. But people are not just demanding clemency to reduce his sentence. It sounds like people want him to get fully pardoned. He drove at insane speeds when he knew he had brake issues. He had a path to drive avoiding the crowded area. But because it was less safe for him, he chose continue on the highway and crashed and create a chain reaction.

Back to Potter, fine she made a mistake. Yes she panicked and tried to apprehend Wright when he panicked trying to escape. But her actions took his life and when he crashed, he injured someone else. That person now has a lifetime of complications. Again I do hope the judge won’t give the maximum sentence. But she has to be culpable for the life she took.

Even in a self defense case, they shouldn’t get off scot free unless they were truly being attacked and truly feared for their life. Rittenhouse wasn’t being attacked with intention of killing him. Those people wanted to apprehend him. They weren’t the Jan 6 mob looking to kill Pelosi.

What does punishing her accomplish?

 

[eelw]

What does punishing her accomplish?

What timed served is enough also? Again, she doesn’t deserve a max 8 year sentence. But why are so many willing to let her walk????

 

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She's not 'walking'. She lost her job/career, lots of money in fees and costs, spent time in jail, got her mugshot posted everywhere. She should lose her pension.

But would years in prison be appropriate?

 

[eelw]

She's not 'walking'. She lost her job/career, lots of money in fees and costs, spent time in jail, got her mugshot posted everywhere. She should lose her pension.

But would years in prison be appropriate?

Lol if she was acquitted, she'd become the next great white hope by the repugnican base

 

[Ajay]

Dude you're thick as a brick.

And yes, you've definitely lost your mind.

Thanks Francis Anyway, I'm sure I didn't watch as much as the proceedings as you did. Digging a bit deeper, Man 1 was excessive, IMHO. Man 2 seems much more appropriate to me (involuntary manslaughter). Bottom line, there must be a price, in the name of justice, for killing someone without just cause (self defense).