Holder Calls U.S. 'Nation of Cowards' on Race Matters

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Nation of Cowards?
So says Eric Holder, but what?s really cowardly is racial dishonesty.
19 February 2009

Attorney General Eric Holder, a Clinton administration retread, wants to revive Bill Clinton?s National Conversation on Race. (What?s next? Hillarycare?) Holder recently told his Justice Department employees that the United States was a ?nation of cowards? for not talking more about race. ?It is an issue we have never been at ease with and, given our nation?s history, this is in some ways understandable,? Holder said. ?If we are to make progress in this area, we must feel comfortable enough with one another and tolerant enough of each other to have frank conversations about the racial matters that continue to divide us.?

Is he nuts? Leave aside for a moment Holder?s purely decorative call for a ?frank? conversation about race. The Clinton-era Conversation also purported to be frank, and we know what that meant: a one-sided litany of white injustices. Please raise your hand if you haven?t heard the following bromides about ?the racial matters that continue to divide us? more times than you can count: Police stop and arrest blacks at disproportionate rates because of racism; blacks are disproportionately in prison because of racism; blacks are failing in school because of racist inequities in school funding; the black poverty rate is the highest in the country because of racism; blacks were given mortgages that they couldn?t afford because of racism. I will stop there.

Not only do colleges, law schools, almost all of the nation?s elite public and private high schools, and the mainstream media, among others, have ?conversations about . . . racial matters?; they never stop talking about them. Any student who graduates from a moderately selective college without hearing that its black students are victims of institutional racism?notwithstanding the fact that the vast majority of black students there will have been deliberately admitted with radically lower SAT scores than their white and Asian comrades?has been in a coma throughout his time there.

Education bureaucrats maintain an incessant harangue on white racism because they see the writing on the wall: most students are indifferent to race and just want to get along. If left to themselves, they would go about their business perfectly happily and color-blindly, and the race industry would wither on the vine. Thus the institutional imperative to remind black students constantly about their victimization and the white students about their guilt. Last month, the elite Phillips Academy at Andover proudly announced a student presentation on White Privilege: A History and Its Role in Education. Would the student have come up with such a topic on her own without the school?s educators deliberately immersing her in such trivial matters? Of course not.

But if Attorney General Holder is really sincere about wanting a ?frank? conversation about race, he should put the following items on the agenda:

The American electorate. The country just elected its first black president. And it actually didn?t talk a lot about Barack Obama?s race during the election, thank heavens, because most Americans were more interested in the candidate?s ideas than in his skin color. There were undoubtedly hundreds of thousands of people who wouldn?t vote for Obama because of his race. I would guess that their average age was 75. There is no question that a great many geriatric Americans continue to harbor the rankest racism for blacks, but guess what? They?re not going to be around for much longer. Young people growing up in the last 30 years live on a different planet when it comes to racial attitudes?until the educrats start playing with their minds.

Crime. Holder told his Justice Department employees that they had a special responsibility to advance racial understanding, according to the Associated Press. Uh-oh. Before and during Holder?s first stint at Justice, when he served as Clinton?s deputy attorney general, the department?s civil rights division specialized in slapping onerous federal consent decrees on police departments. Its assumption was that racial disparities in cops? stop-and-arrest rates reflected police racism, not racial disparities in crime rates.

Before Holder and his attorneys revive that practice, they should study certain facts that remain taboo in the mainstream media. For instance, the homicide rate for black men between the ages of 18 and 24 is well over ten times that of whites. And disparities in other violent-crime rates are just as startling. In New York City, one of the nation?s safest large cities, 83 percent of all gun assailants were black during the first six months of 2008, according to victims and witnesses, though blacks make up only 24 percent of the city?s population. Add Hispanic perps, and you account for 98 percent of all shootings in New York City. The face of violent crime in cities is almost exclusively black or brown. That explains why someone might feel a sense of trepidation when approached by a group of black youths. That?s not racism; it?s the reality of crime. And it?s that reality that determines whom the police stop, frisk, and arrest.

Education. Commentators on NPR?s ?black? show, News and Notes, recently groused about the lack of black policy experts on the Sunday talk shows but ignored the possibility that the education gap might have something to do with it. Blacks, they said, need to be twice as qualified as whites to get a job. Let?s look at the evidence. The black high school drop-out rate approaches 50 percent. On the 2006 SAT, the average score in the critical-reading section was 434 for blacks, 527 for whites, and 510 for Asians; in the math section, 429 for blacks, 536 for whites, and 587 for Asians; and in the writing section, 428 for blacks, 519 for whites, and 512 for Asians. America?s lousy showing in international math, science, and reading tests compared with Japan and Western Europe is influenced in large part by the low scores of blacks and Hispanics. If blacks and Hispanics performed at the level that whites do, the U.S. would lead all industrialized nations in reading and would lead Europe in math and science, according to a study published in the Phi Delta Kappan in 2005.

Likewise, after their first year of legal education, 51 percent of blacks labor in the bottom tenth of their class; two-thirds reside in the bottom fifth. Blacks are four times as likely as whites to fail the bar exam on the first try. Until such achievement disparities are eliminated, any allegations of racial discrimination in the absence of proportional numbers of black policy wonks?or law partners, chemists, engineers, or investment bankers?is absurd, especially when the nation?s elite institutions are doing everything they can to recruit black students, professors, and employees. Perhaps Holder could confront the stigma against academic achievement in the black community, which derides studying and staying out of trouble as ?acting white.?

The family. Closing the educational achievement gap will be difficult as long as the black illegitimacy rate is nearly 71 percent, compared with a white rate of 26 percent. Taxpayers foot the bill for this family breakdown?when fatherless children who never learned self-control and self-discipline disrupt classrooms and prevent other children from learning, and when the same fatherless children get sucked up into gang life and fail to connect with the world of work and responsibility. Many poor single mothers work heroically to raise law-abiding sons, but the odds are against them.

When communities resist an influx of Section 8 housing-voucher holders from the inner city, say, they are reacting overwhelmingly to behavior. Skin color is a proxy for that behavior. If inner-city blacks behaved like Asians?cramming as much knowledge into their kids as they can possibly fit into their skulls?the lingering wariness towards lower-income blacks that many Americans unquestionably harbor would disappear. Are there irredeemable racists among Americans? To be sure. They come in all colors, and we should deplore all of them. But the issue of race in the United States is more complex than polite company is usually allowed to express. If Eric Holder wants to crank up our racial preoccupations even further, let him at least do so with a full airing of the facts.
 

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Originally posted by: yllus
Nothing he said sounded inaccurate to me. I think it's pretty factual that on our own time, most people tend to socialize only with those of the same skin colour as themselves. There's nothing wrong with asking why that's the case.

Specop 007, you sound like a real douchebag with the comments you made in this thread. "Minorities will never let the race issue die. They stand to lose too much by doing so"? I assure you, minorities aren't guided by a single hive mind whose primary goal is to dethrone and enslave whitey. :roll:

See above article.

Seems I'm not the only one who refuses to start sucking the minority dick. Are you going to legislate my group of friends now too? Force me to keep 1 black guy and 1 mexican around?
 

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Originally posted by: Sacrilege
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: yllus

Specop 007, you sound like a real douchebag with the comments you made in this thread.
As if it's any different in any other thread he makes discussing race?

I've noticed that. Why do certain posters here always come across as white men who are scared/intimidated of minorities?

Because white people feel worthless and many of them have used the fact that they are white, and the illusion that being white makes them superior to hide that feeling. It is the same thing that is killing the world in a million variations. I hate myself and identify as this or that good thing to pretend, thereby, not only that I am not inferior but actually superior to everybody else. It is the huddling of sheep in groups for a sense of identity. And once it forms, to leg go of it is to open oneself to feeling worthless again. It is one of the millions of identifications based on the disease that you are worthless because you were put down as children. Be this sick sheep or be a piece of crap.

Now forget you read this or that it answers all your questions, because that is exactly what you are going to do.
 

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Ain't it grand how the OP basically condemned all "minorities" in his grand sweeping generalization?



Topic Summary: Minorities playing the race card daily

Someone needs to let me know where I should line up to get something for nothing because everything I have in life I worked for in life. Fucking duschebags like the OP with his black and white tunnel vision are the part of the problem but never part of the solution.
 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: Drift3r

Ain't it grand how the OP basically condemned all "minorities" in his grand sweeping generalization?



Topic Summary: Minorities playing the race card daily

Someone needs to let me know where I should line up to get something for nothing because everything I have in life I worked for in life. Fucking duschebags like the OP with his black and white tunnel vision are the part of the problem but never part of the solution.

Problem? Do tell, what problem am I a part of? Am I part of the problem that, accurately, states that blacks ARE more likely to be single parents, that ARE more likely to be incarcerated, that ARE more likely to use government assistance? That problem, the one that calls it like it really is and doesnt try to blame racism for the above mentioned problems?

Or am I part of the problem that says blacks are more likely to be in prison because those dman mean white cops pick on them? Blacks are more likely to be in broken families because the damn mean white reverends wont marry them?

Do tell. I'm curious what "problem" I'm a part of......

Oh by the way, its douche.

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I should add, this isnt to say theres NOT problems related to race in this country. But it damn sure isnt The Man tryin to hold down minorities. From your post YOU are proof enough of that. I assume you went out and worked for what you have.....And no white guy held his boot on your back did he?
 

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"If we're going to ever make progress, we're going to have to have the guts, we have to have the determination, to be honest with each other. It also means we have to be able to accept criticism where that is justified," Holder told reporters after the speech. Holder urged people of all races to use Black History Month as a chance for honest discussion of racial matters, including issues of health care, education and economic disparities. Race, Holder said, "is an issue we have never been at ease with and, given our nation's history, this is in some ways understandable... If we are to make progress in this area, we must feel comfortable enough with one another and tolerant enough of each other to have frank conversations about the racial matters that continue to divide us."

I would agree with the above if it were possible. I don't feel it is due to many factors. "honest with each other" - is that only as long as you agree? Are you allowed to speak your peace without the first word from the other party being "racist"? Hell, we can't have a F'n cartoon with a monkey in it without the race baiters going ape ;) He is right - we are "cowards" but I have a feeling he and I do not agree why we are "cowards".
 

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Drift3r

Ain't it grand how the OP basically condemned all "minorities" in his grand sweeping generalization?



Topic Summary: Minorities playing the race card daily

Someone needs to let me know where I should line up to get something for nothing because everything I have in life I worked for in life. Fucking duschebags like the OP with his black and white tunnel vision are the part of the problem but never part of the solution.

Problem? Do tell, what problem am I a part of? Am I part of the problem that, accurately, states that blacks ARE more likely to be single parents, that ARE more likely to be incarcerated, that ARE more likely to use government assistance? That problem, the one that calls it like it really is and doesnt try to blame racism for the above mentioned problems?

Or am I part of the problem that says blacks are more likely to be in prison because those dman mean white cops pick on them? Blacks are more likely to be in broken families because the damn mean white reverends wont marry them?

Do tell. I'm curious what "problem" I'm a part of......

Oh by the way, its douche.

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I should add, this isnt to say theres NOT problems related to race in this country. But it damn sure isnt The Man tryin to hold down minorities. From your post YOU are proof enough of that. I assume you went out and worked for what you have.....And no white guy held his boot on your back did he?

You obviously are to ignorant to understand how you overly generalized and lumped everyone who is not white into your racially motivated rantings. Here's a hint not everyone who is a "minority" is black so the statistics you like to throw around don't apply to all "minorities". Spare us your whining about so "called whiners" rant already okay.

 

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Originally posted by: racolvin
Oh he's perfectly within his rights to make the speech and I don't think I ever objected to his right to do so. I just think that as a public official that's supposed to represent all of us he shouldn't have done it with the language he chose. Not that he was wrong, he just did it in a way that was guaranteed to not reach those folks that he really needed to reach.

There is a bridge too far at a time, and I don't think he intended to go there. So I think that he intended to provoke exactly those who might benefit from a reminder about self-segregation in the nation and be capable of doing something about that, and it's quite reasonable to associate such actions with courage, and the lack thereof with the opposite.

Edit: However, I also agree with some of the charges against Holder's provocative rhetoric. I think a nation of cowards would have elected McCain to make them feel safer. Obama's election showed courage in the nation as a whole.
 

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Originally posted by: Sacrilege
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: yllus

Specop 007, you sound like a real douchebag with the comments you made in this thread.
As if it's any different in any other thread he makes discussing race?

I've noticed that. Why do certain posters here always come across as white men who are scared/intimidated of minorities?

Small penis syndrome.
 

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Originally posted by: Triumph
Yes.

I agree, he is not an expert on the topic at hand so why even raise it...I would wonder what real tangible evidence he is using to support his claims or if he is simply musing on his own personal experiences.

Maybe if he toned down the speech, but pretty bold assertions for someone who is not an expert in this field.
 

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: yllus
Nothing he said sounded inaccurate to me. I think it's pretty factual that on our own time, most people tend to socialize only with those of the same skin colour as themselves. There's nothing wrong with asking why that's the case.

Specop 007, you sound like a real douchebag with the comments you made in this thread. "Minorities will never let the race issue die. They stand to lose too much by doing so"? I assure you, minorities aren't guided by a single hive mind whose primary goal is to dethrone and enslave whitey. :roll:

See above article.

Seems I'm not the only one who refuses to start sucking the minority dick. Are you going to legislate my group of friends now too? Force me to keep 1 black guy and 1 mexican around?

Yeah man, way to bring the fight to DeShawn and Pepi and Mohammed, posting links to articles on a web forum! No dick in the mouth for Specop 007 (tonight)!
 
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This is hardly the first time "Specop 007" demonstrated a pretty clearly apparent bias against minorities. Honestly I don't give a crap what he thinks, but his willful misreading of Mr. Holder's comments offends me. I gather "Specop" is just a kid, but even a reasonably bright teenager with a junior-high education would show better reading comprehension than this.
 

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Apparently, all it takes to crank up the outrage, is el rushbo and hannity playing the clip out of context a few hundred times.

"... a nation of cowards."

Fufufufufufuh how dare he?!? HOW DARE HE call us cowards!

Works on SpecOp predictably enough.
 

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Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
This is hardly the first time "Specop 007" demonstrated a pretty clearly apparent bias against minorities. Honestly I don't give a crap what he thinks, but his willful misreading of Mr. Holder's comments offends me. I gather "Specop" is just a kid, but even a reasonably bright teenager with a junior-high education would show better reading comprehension than this.

And as I have said many, many times I have no bias against minorities. I have a bias against being blamed for anothers failures, or that I am otherwise part of the problem simply because I am white and therefor I am holding someone else back.

And as I have said many times, what do you think Mr. Cosby thinks of the hip hop urban culture? Perhaps if you spent some time actually looking into the issue you would understand why these offhand remarks such as "nation of cowards" fix nothing.

Its funny how the minorities who take America for exactly what it is, a country with limitless opportunity if you have the drive, can manage to be successful. And yet so many of these minorities who fail will invariably blame the system rather then focus on the real problem at hand. Be it their own individual inability to motive and succeed, be it their culture which promotes single mothers and drug dealing or whatever else the true root cause may be.

Its always very easy to say "I failed because I'm a <minority> and they discriminated against me" rather then to admit the truth isnt it?
 

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
And as I have said many, many times I have no bias against minorities. I have a bias against being blamed for anothers failures, or that I am otherwise part of the problem simply because I am white and therefor I am holding someone else back.

Sure, because Holder was blaming you for his failures and for holding him back.

Originally posted by: Specop 007
And as I have said many times, what do you think Mr. Cosby thinks of the hip hop urban culture?

I know he chastised them for developing a unique dialect while he made bank doing the same, the fucking hypocrite he is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...O_eMLU&feature=related
 

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Are you the resident repressed white guy or something? Seems every thread you post is about how the black man is holding you down. If you don't think race relations are still a problem in this country despite the current presidency, you are either living in a cave or a complete moron.
 
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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
This is hardly the first time "Specop 007" demonstrated a pretty clearly apparent bias against minorities. Honestly I don't give a crap what he thinks, but his willful misreading of Mr. Holder's comments offends me. I gather "Specop" is just a kid, but even a reasonably bright teenager with a junior-high education would show better reading comprehension than this.

And as I have said many, many times I have no bias against minorities. I have a bias against being blamed for anothers failures, or that I am otherwise part of the problem simply because I am white and therefor I am holding someone else back.

And as I have said many times, what do you think Mr. Cosby thinks of the hip hop urban culture? Perhaps if you spent some time actually looking into the issue you would understand why these offhand remarks such as "nation of cowards" fix nothing.

Its funny how the minorities who take America for exactly what it is, a country with limitless opportunity if you have the drive, can manage to be successful. And yet so many of these minorities who fail will invariably blame the system rather then focus on the real problem at hand. Be it their own individual inability to motive and succeed, be it their culture which promotes single mothers and drug dealing or whatever else the true root cause may be.

Its always very easy to say "I failed because I'm a <minority> and they discriminated against me" rather then to admit the truth isnt it?

Again, anyone with a junior high education who had actually read the very remarks you quoted would see that they are not inconsistent with Cosby's own comments.
 

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Originally posted by: Mani
Are you the resident repressed white guy or something? Seems every thread you post is about how the black man is holding you down. If you don't think race relations are still a problem in this country despite the current presidency, you are either living in a cave or a complete moron.

Nope, I'm the resident white guy that is damn tired of race even being an issue, let alone as big of an issue as it is.
 

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Mani
Are you the resident repressed white guy or something? Seems every thread you post is about how the black man is holding you down. If you don't think race relations are still a problem in this country despite the current presidency, you are either living in a cave or a complete moron.

Nope, I'm the resident white guy that is damn tired of race even being an issue, let alone as big of an issue as it is.
Bitch you make it an issue every chance you get!
 

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Originally posted by: Specop 007

Its always very easy to say "I failed because I'm a <minority> and they discriminated against me" rather then to admit the truth isnt it?

Its even easier to claim "I succeeded because I didn't have to worry about discrimination at all, and those that do face discrimination are just making things up."



 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
Again, anyone with a junior high education who had actually read the very remarks you quoted would see that Holder are not inconsistent with Cosby's own comments.

I dont recall Cosby ever saying we need to be critical of our circle of friends and work to change it. Really?? I really need the government to appoint me my friends now?

As for avoiding discussing racial issues hes right. Look at this thread for proof as to why. Anytime someone would step up to say the hip hop urban culture (Which is predominatly BLACK) is not a culture which promotes family values, personal responsibility or success would immediately be branded as a KKK card carrying racist. Never mind the actual facts invovled with such claims, the point is if someone makes them then by default they simply must be a racist.

What Holder said is exactly what needs to happen. Until we can say "Hey, this culture, it sends the wrong message" we will never fix it. Sadly though this is NOT what Holder meant, nor is it what most people want to hear. Most people want to maintain the staus quo of "Black man repressed, white man bad".

Perhaps you should take time to understand what Cosby REALLY stood for and truly wanted for the black people. Toussaint Holder? Not in this term.
 

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Ladies and gentlemen, I really have to ask you to seriously consider what you?ve heard, and now this is the end of the evening so to speak. I heard a prize fight manager say to his fellow who was losing badly, ?David, listen to me. It?s not what?s he?s doing to you. It?s what you?re not doing. (laughter).

Ladies and gentlemen, these people set, they opened the doors, they gave us the right, and today, ladies and gentlemen, in our cities and public schools we have fifty percent drop out. In our own neighborhood, we have men in prison. No longer is a person embarrassed because they?re pregnant without a husband. (clapping) No longer is a boy considered an embarrassment if he tries to run away from being the father of the unmarried child (clapping)

Ladies and gentlemen, the lower economic and lower middle economic people are [not*] holding their end in this deal. In the neighborhood that most of us grew up in, parenting is not going on. (clapping) In the old days, you couldn?t hooky school because every drawn shade was an eye (laughing). And before your mother got off the bus and to the house, she knew exactly where you had gone, who had gone into the house, and where you got on whatever you had one and where you got it from. Parents don?t know that today.

I?m talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit. Where were you when he was two? (clapping) Where were you when he was twelve? (clapping) Where were you when he was eighteen, and how come you don?t know he had a pistol? (clapping) And where is his father, and why don?t you know where he is? And why doesn?t the father show up to talk to this boy?

The church is only open on Sunday. And you can?t keep asking Jesus to ask doing things for you (clapping). You can?t keep asking that God will find a way. God is tired of you (clapping and laughing). God was there when they won all those cases. 50 in a row. That?s where God was because these people were doing something. And God said, ?I?m going to find a way.? I wasn?t there when God said it? I?m making this up (laughter). But it sounds like what God would do (laughter).

We cannot blame white people. White people (clapping) .. white people don?t live over there. They close up the shop early. The Korean ones still don?t know us as well?they stay open 24 hours (laughter).

I?m looking and I see a man named Kenneth Clark. He and his wife Mamie?Kenneth?s still alive. I have to apologize to him for these people because Kenneth said it straight. He said you have to strengthen yourselves?and we?ve got to have that black doll. And everybody said it. Julian Bond said it. Dick Gregory said it. All these lawyers said it. And you wouldn?t know that anybody had done a damned thing.

50 percent drop out rate, I?m telling you, and people in jail, and women having children by five, six different men. Under what excuse, I want somebody to love me, and as soon as you have it, you forget to parent. Grandmother, mother, and great grandmother in the same room, raising children, and the child knows nothing about love or respect of any one of the three of them (clapping). All this child knows is ?gimme, gimme, gimme.? These people want to buy the friendship of a child?.and the child couldn?t care less. Those of us sitting out here who have gone on to some college or whatever we?ve done, we still fear our parents (clapping and laughter). And these people are not parenting. They?re buying things for the kid. $500 sneakers, for what? They won?t buy or spend $250 on Hooked on Phonics. (clapping)

A\Kenneth Clark, somewhere in his home in upstate New York?just looking ahead. Thank God, he doesn?t know what?s going on, thank God. But these people, the ones up here in the balcony fought so hard. Looking at the incarcerated, these are not political criminals. These are people going around stealing Coca Cola. People getting shot in the back of the head over a piece of pound cake! Then we all run out and are outraged, ?The cops shouldn?t have shot him? What the hell was he doing with the pound cake in his hand? (laughter and clapping). I wanted a piece of pound cake just as bad as anybody else (laughter) And I looked at it and I had no money. And something called parenting said if get caught with it you?re going to embarrass your mother. Not you?re going to get your butt kicked. No. You?re going to embarrass your mother. You?re going to embarrass your family.

If knock that girl up, you?re going to have to run away because it?s going to be too embarrassing for your family. In the old days, a girl getting pregnant had to go down South, and then her mother would go down to get her. But the mother had the baby. I said the mother had the baby. The girl didn?t have a baby. The mother had the baby in two weeks. (laughter) We are not parenting. Ladies and gentlemen, listen to these people, they are showing you what?s wrong. People putting their clothes on backwards. ?isn?t that a sign of something going on wrong? (laughter)

Are you not paying attention, people with their hat on backwards, pants down around the crack. Isn?t that a sign of something, or are you waiting for Jesus to pull his pants up (laughter and clapping ). Isn?t it a sign of something when she?s got her dress all the way up to the crack?and got all kinds of needles and things going through her body. What part of Africa did this come from? (laughter). We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans, they don?t know a damned thing about Africa. With names like Shaniqua, Shaligua, Mohammed and all that crap and all of them are in jail. (When we give these kinds names to our children, we give them the strength and inspiration in the meaning of those names. What?s the point of giving them strong names if there is not parenting and values backing it up).

Brown Versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person?s problem. We?ve got to take the neighborhood back (clapping). We?ve got to go in there. Just forget telling your child to go to the Peace Corps. It?s right around the corner. (laughter) It?s standing on the corner. It can?t speak English. It doesn?t want to speak English. I can?t even talk the way these people talk. ?Why you ain?t where you is go, ra,? I don?t know who these people are. And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk (laughter). Then I heard the father talk. This is all in the house. You used to talk a certain way on the corner and you got into the house and switched to English. Everybody knows it?s important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can?t land a plane with ?why you ain?t?? You can?t be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth. There is no Bible that has that kind of language. Where did these people get the idea that they?re moving ahead on this. Well, they know they?re not, they?re just hanging out in the same place, five or six generations sitting in the projects when you?re just supposed to stay there long enough to get a job and move out.

Now look, I?m telling you. It?s not what they?re doing to us. It?s what we?re not doing. 50 percent drop out. Look, we?re raising our own ingrown immigrants. These people are fighting hard to be ignorant. There?s no English being spoken, and they?re walking and they?re angry. Oh God, they?re angry and they have pistols and they shoot and they do stupid things. And after they kill somebody, they don?t have a plan. Just murder somebody. Boom. Over what? A pizza? And then run to the poor cousin?s house. They sit there and the cousin says ?what are you doing here?? ?I just killed somebody, man.? ?What?? ?I just killed somebody, I?ve got to stay here.? ?No, you don?t.? ?Well, give me some money, I?ll go?? ?Where are you going?? ?North Carolina.? Everybody wanted to go to North Carolina. But the police know where you?re going because your cousin has a record.

Five or six different children, same woman, eight, ten different husbands or whatever, pretty soon you?re going to have to have DNA cards so you can tell who you?re making love to. You don?t who this is. It might be your grandmother. (laughter) I?m telling you, they?re young enough. Hey, you have a baby when you?re twelve. Your baby turns thirteen and has a baby, how old are you? Huh? Grandmother. By the time you?re twelve, you could have sex with your grandmother, you keep those numbers coming. I?m just predicting.

I?m saying Brown Vs. Board of Education. We?ve got to hit the streets, ladies and gentlemen. I?m winding up, now , no more applause. I?m saying, look at the Black Muslims. There are Black Muslims standing on the street corners and they say so forth and so on, and we?rere laughing at them because they have bean pies and all that, but you don?t read ?Black Muslim gunned down while chastising drug dealer.? You don?t read that. They don?t shoot down Black Muslims. You understand me. Muslims tell you to get out of the neighborhood. When you want to clear your neighborhood out, first thing you do is go get the Black Muslims, bean pies and all (laughter). And your neighborhood is then clear. The police can?t do it .

I?m telling you Christians, what?s wrong with you? Why can?t you hit the streets? Why can?t you clean it out yourselves? It?s our time now, ladies and gentlemen. It is our time (clapping). And I?ve got good news for you. It?s not about money. It?s about you doing something ordinarily that we do?get in somebody else?s business. It?s time for you to not accept the language that these people are speaking, which will take them nowhere. What the hell good is Brown V. Board of Education if nobody wants it?

What is it with young girls getting after some girl who wants to still remain a virgin. Who are these sick black people and where did they come from and why haven?t they been parented to shut up? To go up to girls and try to get a club where ?you are nobody..,? this is a sickness ladies and gentlemen and we are not paying attention to these children. These are children. They don?t know anything. They don?t have anything. They?re homeless people. All they know how to do is beg. And you give it to them, trying to win their friendship. And what are they good for? And then they stand there in an orange suit and you drop to your knees, ?(crying sound) He didn?t do anything, he didn?t do anything.? Yes, he did do it. And you need to have an orange suit on too (laughter, clapping).

So, ladies and gentlemen, I want to thank you for the award (big laughter) and giving me an opportunity to speak because, I mean, this is the future, and all of these people who lined up and done..they?ve got to be wondering what the hell happened. Brown V. Board of Education, these people who marched and were hit in the face with rocks and punched in the face to get an education and we got these knuckleheads walking around who don?t want to learn English (clapping) I know that you all know it. I just want to get you as angry that you ought to be. When you walk around the neighborhood and you see this stuff, that stuff?s not funny. These people are not funny anymore. And that ?s not brother. And that?s not my sister. They?re faking and they?re dragging me way down because the state, the city and all these people have to pick up the tab on them because they don?t want to accept that they have to study to get an education.

We have to begin to build in the neighborhood, have restaurants, have cleaners, have pharmacies, have real estate, have medical buildings instead of trying to rob them all. And so, ladies and gentlemen, please, Dorothy Height, where ever she?s sitting, she didn?t do all that stuff so that she could hear somebody say ?I can?t stand algebra, I can?t stand?and ?what you is.? It?s horrible.

Basketball players, multimillionaires can?t write a paragraph. Football players, multimillionaires, can?t read. Yes. Multimillionaires. Well, Brown V Board of Education, where are we today? It?s there. They paved the way. What did we do with it. The white man, he?s laughing, got to be laughing. 50 percent drop out, rest of them in prison.

You got to tell me that if there was parenting, help me, if there was parenting, he wouldn?t have picked up the Coca Cola bottle and walked out with it to get shot in the back of the head. He wouldn?t have. Not if he loved his parents. And not if they were parenting! Not if the father would come home. Not if the boy hadn?t dropped the sperm cell inside of the girl and the girl had said, ?No, you have to come back here and be the father of this child.? Not ..?I don?t have to.?

Therefore, you have the pile up of these sweet beautiful things born by nature raised by no one. Give them presents. You?re raising pimps. That?s what a pimp is. A pimp will act nasty to you so you have to go out and get them something. And then you bring it back and maybe he or she hugs you. And that?s why pimp is so famous. They?ve got a drink called the ?Pimp-something.? You all wonder what that?s about, don?t you? Well, you?re probably going to let Jesus figure it out for you (laughter). Well, I?ve got something to tell you about Jesus. When you go to the church, look at the stained glass things of Jesus. Look at them. Is Jesus smiling? Not in one picture. So, tell your friends. Let?s try to do something. Let?s try to make Jesus smile. Let?s start parenting. Thank you, thank you (clapping, cheers)
 
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Originally posted by: Mani
Are you the resident repressed white guy or something? Seems every thread you post is about how the black man is holding you down. If you don't think race relations are still a problem in this country despite the current presidency, you are either living in a cave or a complete moron.

Nope, I'm the resident white guy that is damn tired of race even being an issue, let alone as big of an issue as it is.

If only people would stop making race such an issue...
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Red Dawn

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Are you the resident repressed white guy or something? Seems every thread you post is about how the black man is holding you down. If you don't think race relations are still a problem in this country despite the current presidency, you are either living in a cave or a complete moron.

Nope, I'm the resident white guy that is damn tired of race even being an issue, let alone as big of an issue as it is.

If only people would stop making race such an issue...
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Did you even read his comments? He's not talking about oppression, or anything like that. He's stating that this country doesn't want to deal with the larger issues behind race, including biggotry, racial divides, etc.. And he's absolutely right about that.

He is correct in one regard. The problem is I think he fails to realize it is so called leaders of the black community who don't want the open discussion. They literally shout down any attempt at discussion unless they start it and they guide it. In other words, unless the conversation is favorable to them, has the other partiess being subservient and apologetic to them, they don't want a discussion.

The simple matter is most people don't care. Most people only see a problem when those who want it to be a problem bring it up. What is there to discuss? Most of the issues brought forward are either so far in the past no one alive today can be held accountable. Most other issues emphasize the extremes as if they are common place.