Holder Calls U.S. 'Nation of Cowards' on Race Matters

Specop 007

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So lets see....We have a black president, and yet race is still considered a problem? The highest position in the most advanced country in the world is held by a black man, and yet we are a "nation of cowards" in regards to race?

Minorities will never let the race issue die. They stand to lose too much by doing so. Welcome to Affirmative Action. Minorities have realized the easiest way to get something is to claim you didnt get it because of your skin color, then demand it.

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Holder Calls U.S. 'Nation of Cowards' on Race Matters

In a speech to Justice Department employees marking Black History Month, Attorney General Eric Holder said the workplace is largely integrated but Americans still self-segregate on the weekends and in their private lives.

WASHINGTON -- Eric Holder, the nation's first black attorney general, said Wednesday the United States was "a nation of cowards" on matters of race, with most Americans avoiding candid discussions of racial issues.

In a speech to Justice Department employees marking Black History Month, Holder said the workplace is largely integrated but Americans still self-segregate on the weekends and in their private lives.

"Though this nation has proudly thought of itself as an ethnic melting pot, in things racial we have always been and I believe continue to be, in too many ways, essentially a nation of cowards," Holder said.

Race issues continue to be a topic of political discussion, but "we, as average Americans, simply do not talk enough with each other about race."

Holder's speech echoed President Barack Obama's landmark address last year on race relations during the hotly contested Democratic primaries, when the then-candidate urged the nation to break "a racial stalemate we've been stuck in for years" and bemoaned the "chasm of misunderstanding that exists between the races." Obama delivered the speech to try to distance himself from the angry rhetoric of his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

Holder cited that speech by Obama as part of the motivation for his words Wednesday, saying Americans need to overcome an ingrained inhibition against talking about race.

"If we're going to ever make progress, we're going to have to have the guts, we have to have the determination, to be honest with each other. It also means we have to be able to accept criticism where that is justified," Holder told reporters after the speech.

Holder urged people of all races to use Black History Month as a chance for honest discussion of racial matters, including issues of health care, education and economic disparities.

Race, Holder said, "is an issue we have never been at ease with and, given our nation's history, this is in some ways understandable... If we are to make progress in this area, we must feel comfortable enough with one another and tolerant enough of each other to have frank conversations about the racial matters that continue to divide us."

In a country founded by slave owners, race has bedeviled the nation throughout its history, with blacks denied the right to vote just a few decades ago. Obama's triumph last November as well as the nomination of Holder stand as historic achievements of two black Americans.

Holder told hundreds of Justice Department employees gathered for the event that they have a special responsibility to advance racial understanding.

Even when people mix at the workplace or afterwork social events, Holder argued, many Americans in their free time are still segregated inside what he called "race-protected cocoons."

"Saturdays and Sundays, America in the year 2009 does not in some ways differ significantly from the country that existed almost 50 years ago. This is truly sad," said Holder.

Andrew Grant-Thomas, Deputy Director of the Kirwan Institute for the Study of Race and Ethnicity at Ohio State University, praised Holder's general message but said the wording of the speech may alienate some.

"He's right on the substance, but that's probably not the most politic way of saying it. I'm certain there are people who will hear him and say, 'That's obnoxious,"' he said, adding that what was missing from Holder's speech were specific examples of what painful subjects need to be addressed.

Hilary Shelton, vice president of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, called the speech "constructively provocative."

"Nobody wants to be considered a coward. We've learned to get along by exclusion and silence. We need to talk about it. People need to feel comfortable saying the wrong things," said Shelton.

Holder is headed to Guantanamo Bay early next week to inspect the terrorist detention facility there. Obama has assigned Holder to lead a special task force aimed at closing the site within a year.

Holder's Justice Department will have to decide which suspects to bring to U.S. courts for trial, which to prosecute through the military justice system, and which to send back to their home countries.
 

Slick5150

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Did you even read his comments? He's not talking about oppression, or anything like that. He's stating that this country doesn't want to deal with the larger issues behind race, including biggotry, racial divides, etc.. And he's absolutely right about that.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Slick5150
Did you even read his comments? He's not talking about oppression, or anything like that. He's stating that this country doesn't want to deal with the larger issues behind race, including biggotry, racial divides, etc.. And he's absolutely right about that.
Yep and he definitely wasn't just addressing whites especially with this comment ""If we're going to ever make progress, we're going to have to have the guts, we have to have the determination, to be honest with each other. It also means we have to be able to accept criticism where that is justified," Holder told reporters after the speech."

 

retrospooty

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
In a speech to Justice Department employees marking Black History Month, Attorney General Eric Holder said the workplace is largely integrated but Americans still self-segregate on the weekends and in their private lives.

So... thats one mans opinion. Many other feel differently. Some think we have arrived at equality, and some other extreme nutjobs want to send all blacks and foreigners packing back to wherever they originally came from.

What makes this newsworthy?
 

lupi

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What a reprehensible disgusting thing to say. This idiot may be one of the few schmucks to actually pay his taxes, but he needs to get the boot like the rest of them.
 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: Slick5150
Did you even read his comments? He's not talking about oppression, or anything like that. He's stating that this country doesn't want to deal with the larger issues behind race, including biggotry, racial divides, etc.. And he's absolutely right about that.

So we can discuss the fact blacks are far more likely to be involved in violent crime, far more likely to be jailed and far more likely to use government aid without being called a racist?

I know the answer to that one.....Do you?
 

Slick5150

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Slick5150
Did you even read his comments? He's not talking about oppression, or anything like that. He's stating that this country doesn't want to deal with the larger issues behind race, including biggotry, racial divides, etc.. And he's absolutely right about that.

So we can discuss the fact blacks are far more likely to be involved in violent crime, far more likely to be jailed and far more likely to use government aid without being called a racist?

I know the answer to that one.....Do you?

I think that's exactly one of the points Holder was trying to make, is we're afraid to discuss the questions of WHY those things exist. And he's saying that's true of both black and white people.

So, I think you actually agree with him.

How ironic.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Slick5150
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Slick5150
Did you even read his comments? He's not talking about oppression, or anything like that. He's stating that this country doesn't want to deal with the larger issues behind race, including biggotry, racial divides, etc.. And he's absolutely right about that.

So we can discuss the fact blacks are far more likely to be involved in violent crime, far more likely to be jailed and far more likely to use government aid without being called a racist?

I know the answer to that one.....Do you?

I think that's exactly one of the points Holder was trying to make, is we're afraid to discuss the questions of WHY those things exist. And he's saying that's true of both black and white people.

So, I think you actually agree with him.
Just like when Obama criticized Black Males for not taking responsibility for their children born out of wedlock. He told them it was time to start acting like men instead of boys.
 

Triumph

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"The United States Attorney General is the head of the United States Department of Justice (see 28 U.S.C. § 503) concerned with legal affairs and is the chief law enforcement officer of the United States government. The Attorney General is considered to be the chief lawyer of the U.S. government."

So why exactly is Holder making these comments? And how does it relate to his job? I can draw my own conclusions, but did he say anything regarding the way race is related to law enforcement or the legal system in general? In short, why is he even opening his mouth on this topic?
 

Atreus21

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Slick5150
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Slick5150
Did you even read his comments? He's not talking about oppression, or anything like that. He's stating that this country doesn't want to deal with the larger issues behind race, including biggotry, racial divides, etc.. And he's absolutely right about that.

So we can discuss the fact blacks are far more likely to be involved in violent crime, far more likely to be jailed and far more likely to use government aid without being called a racist?

I know the answer to that one.....Do you?

I think that's exactly one of the points Holder was trying to make, is we're afraid to discuss the questions of WHY those things exist. And he's saying that's true of both black and white people.

So, I think you actually agree with him.
Just like when Obama criticized Black Males for not taking responsibility for their children born out of wedlock. He told them it was time to start acting like men instead of boys.

I agree.
 

yllus

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Nothing he said sounded inaccurate to me. I think it's pretty factual that on our own time, most people tend to socialize only with those of the same skin colour as themselves. There's nothing wrong with asking why that's the case.

Specop 007, you sound like a real douchebag with the comments you made in this thread. "Minorities will never let the race issue die. They stand to lose too much by doing so"? I assure you, minorities aren't guided by a single hive mind whose primary goal is to dethrone and enslave whitey. :roll:
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: yllus

Specop 007, you sound like a real douchebag with the comments you made in this thread.
As if it's any different in any other thread he makes discussing race?
 

evident

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Originally posted by: lupi
What a reprehensible disgusting thing to say. This idiot may be one of the few schmucks to actually pay his taxes, but he needs to get the boot like the rest of them.

perhaps you didnt read everything that he said and/or comprehend it.
 

CLite

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All of the negative posts CLEARLY didn't read the article.

He said basically people need to man up and start talking honestly to eachother. He points out that while the workplace is well integrated, in our personal lives a lot of time people self-segregate (note he points out all races are to blame).

To the people going off about disgusting words by Holder, please read the article before you continue to embarass yourself and others who are forced to read your drivel.
 

CLite

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Just to make it easy on the morons this is what Holder said:

"Though this nation has proudly thought of itself as an ethnic melting pot, in things racial we have always been and I believe continue to be, in too many ways, essentially a nation of cowards," Holder said.

Race issues continue to be a topic of political discussion, but "we, as average Americans, simply do not talk enough with each other about race."

If we're going to ever make progress, we're going to have to have the guts, we have to have the determination, to be honest with each other. It also means we have to be able to accept criticism where that is justified,"

Even when people mix at the workplace or afterwork social events, Holder argued, many Americans in their free time are still segregated inside what he called "race-protected cocoons.".

"Saturdays and Sundays, America in the year 2009 does not in some ways differ significantly from the country that existed almost 50 years ago. This is truly sad," said Holder.


He isn't yelling out oppresion or hate crimes or anything. He just says we need to become better friends and more receptive and stop trying to self-segregate which is very true.


 

spacejamz

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So what attempts have minorites made in the past 50 years to achieve a happier melting pot in the United States?

Some refuse to learn the language here, so it would be nearly impossible to communicate with them...instead, they want government forms, ballots, streets signs, etc printed in their language.

Some always walk around with a chip on shoulder and feel that society owes them. These people want nothing to do with creating a happier melting pot and even mock races other than their own.

Some come here and want to change they way things have been done traditionally since this country was founded (like saying Merry Christmas) and have the gall to have Christmas trees removed from airports and shopping malls because it offends them with no regards to offending the citizens of the country they chose freely to move it.

Some come here and want to change recognized US Holidays in favor of their own.

That doesnt sound like a recipe for integration does it???

This happier melting pot should be a two way dialogue, should it not???

However, in reading Holder's speech, it is my opinion that he squarely lays the blame on one side, not both...Saying 'In a country founded by slave owners, race has bedeviled the nation throughout its history, with blacks denied the right to vote just a few decades ago.' only incites this issue, not pacify it...

As pointed out in the article, there are more constructive ways to initiate the type of discussion he cites in his speech...
 

CLite

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Originally posted by: spacejamz
So what attempts have minorites made in the past 50 years to achieve a happier melting pot in the United States?

Some refuse to learn the language here, so it would be nearly impossible to communicate with them...instead, they want government forms, ballots, streets signs, etc printed in their language.

Some always walk around with a chip on shoulder and feel that society owes them. These people want nothing to do with creating a happier melting pot and even mock races other than their own.

Some come here and want to change they way things have been done traditionally since this country was founded (like saying Merry Christmas) and have the gall to have Christmas trees removed from airports and shopping malls because it offends them with no regards to offending the citizens of the country they chose freely to move it.

Some come here and want to change recognized US Holidays in favor of their own.

That doesnt sound like a recipe for integration does it???

This happier melting pot should be a two way dialogue, should it not???

However, in reading Holder's speech, it is my opinion that he squarely lays the blame on one side, not both...Saying 'In a country founded by slave owners, race has bedeviled the nation throughout its history, with blacks denied the right to vote just a few decades ago.' only incites this issue, not pacify it...

As pointed out in the article, there are more constructive ways to initiate the type of discussion he cites in his speech...

K I wonder why he made it slightly one-sided. Oh yes it was a speech about black history month.

Actual transcript of speech.

http://www.usdoj.gov/ag/speech.../ag-speech-090218.html

Some of his comments about wanting to get together and learn more about black history (rather than history about everyone), clearly stem from the fact that it's a speach about black history month. He really doesn't play the race card. He is simply saying lets start trying to socialize with eachother and get to know eachother better. If we do that we will have more compassion for eachother.
 

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My question to Mr. Holder would be "Why does it matter so much to you who I choose to socialize with outside the office or what color their skin is?" As long as I'm not breaking any laws, denying peoples rights, etc, why is it any of his business? If I choose to be surrounded by people of a similar pigmentation, why is that an issue for the Attorney General to be commenting on?
 

Triumph

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Originally posted by: racolvin
My question to Mr. Holder would be "Why does it matter so much to you who I choose to socialize with outside the office or what color their skin is?" As long as I'm not breaking any laws, denying peoples rights, etc, why is it any of his business? If I choose to be surrounded by people of a similar pigmentation, why is that an issue for the Attorney General to be commenting on?

My point exactly. Is Holder using his position to grandstand opinions outside the realm of his expertise? That's what it seems like to me.
 

CLite

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Originally posted by: racolvin
My question to Mr. Holder would be "Why does it matter so much to you who I choose to socialize with outside the office or what color their skin is?" As long as I'm not breaking any laws, denying peoples rights, etc, why is it any of his business? If I choose to be surrounded by people of a similar pigmentation, why is that an issue for the Attorney General to be commenting on?

because he wants us as a nation to have the most compassion for eachother that we possibly can you jackass. He made a speech for black history month about wanting us to be 100% comfortable with eachother and to have no boundaries at all. God forbid he makes an inspiring speech about his wishes. Jackasses like you can continue to live in your holes so fearfull of the good wishes of a decent man's speech about black history month.

Get.The.Fuck.Over.It
 

CLite

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Originally posted by: Triumph
Originally posted by: racolvin
My question to Mr. Holder would be "Why does it matter so much to you who I choose to socialize with outside the office or what color their skin is?" As long as I'm not breaking any laws, denying peoples rights, etc, why is it any of his business? If I choose to be surrounded by people of a similar pigmentation, why is that an issue for the Attorney General to be commenting on?

My point exactly. Is Holder using his position to grandstand opinions outside the realm of his expertise? That's what it seems like to me.

Grandstand? Did you read the actual transcript I linked? Should I mention for the 4th time now it was an inspirational piece about his hopes for continued progress in being comfortable with one another. Given because there was a desire for a speech on black history month.

Morons... unfortunately I know there will be more making comments based on the OP's topic title w/out reading anything in the thread at all.
 

Triumph

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Originally posted by: CLite
Originally posted by: Triumph
Originally posted by: racolvin
My question to Mr. Holder would be "Why does it matter so much to you who I choose to socialize with outside the office or what color their skin is?" As long as I'm not breaking any laws, denying peoples rights, etc, why is it any of his business? If I choose to be surrounded by people of a similar pigmentation, why is that an issue for the Attorney General to be commenting on?

My point exactly. Is Holder using his position to grandstand opinions outside the realm of his expertise? That's what it seems like to me.

Grandstand? Did you read the actual transcript I linked? Should I mention for the 4th time now it was an inspirational piece about his hopes for continued progress in being comfortable with one another. Given because there was a desire for a speech on black history month.

Morons... unfortunately I know there will be more making comments based on the OP's topic title w/out reading anything in the thread at all.

What does it have to do with him being Attorney General?