Hold onto your livers, kidneys, etc. The rich will be coming for them.

[charrison]

Fact: organ donation should be an opt-out system where you are required to donate every organ unless you renounce citizenship. If you don't want to donate organs and participate in our society, you should also not be allowed to own property or work or receive government benefits. Being part of our society has its dues


Until my opt-out system is fully implemented, the short term solution would be to give priority to people who have officially signed up as organ donors (after they die) a minimum of 2 years before going on the waiting list to receive an organ. People who actually care about other human beings would get to jump line ahead of those retards who think you're not supposed to desecrate a dead body...... until they are sick and need organs.

Of course you would rather use force, than encourage people to do it. Dont you think it is far nicer, to say cover the funeral expenses of a donor, than to force people to do something?

 

[halik]

While I do not agree with the reduction in prison sentence, you kidney is your property and if you want to sell it, the government shouldn't get in your way.

After all, privacy with doctors, we can't have laws violating that no can we?

I'll sell both of my kidneys and have caid pay for my dialyses untill I die. Woo!

Misguided views are misguided...

Seriously sometimes the amount of facepalm i read here is staggering. Gee I wonder what would happen if you create a market for body organs, maybe people will start "losing" organs against their will?

 

[matt0611]

I'll sell both of my kidneys and have -caid pay for my dialyses untill I die. Woo!

Misguided views are misguided...

Well they shouldn't be able to pay you for that lol.

I shouldn't be able to burn my house down and collect the insurance on it.
I don't think you can do that?

 

[ShawnD1]

So we're not only "just borrowing" money from the government, we're also just borrowing our bodies?

What about religions that require somebody to be buried with their bodies intact?

If you want to put a towel on your head and declare jihad and refuse to touch pigs and insist on letting everyone around you die due to a lack of organs then go do it somewhere else. I hear Afghanistan is a great place to live if you are a religious extremist. Over there, there's no government to get in the way of anything you do. I don't even think they have laws. If someone pisses you off, just shoot em in the face.

It's ironic, that for the most part, your suggestion would mostly only impact the better-off of society... the druggies, drunks, and poor would have low quality organs.

The leading cause of liver failure is actually Tylenol, not alcohol. That and rich people tend to take a hell of a lot of drugs. It seems like every middle class American has ADHD with bipolar schizo narcopeti phobia and requires 5 different prescriptions taken daily. That and ballers can afford to go on binges. I bet Paris Hilton has done more cocaine than the average street junkie simply because she has the resources. Poor people do coke, run out, go suck dick for more. She has billions of dollars behind her, so she just buys more when she runs out.



I also like how you're advocating a society of absolute chaos. We try to make laws saying you're not allowed to stab someone or you're not allowed to park your car in the emergency fire lane or you're not allowed to drive your car on the sidewalk and you're saying WHAT IS THIS? I THOUGHT THIS WAS AMERIKA. To live in society, you must have a number that identifies you (SS#), you must pay taxes if you want to own property, you must take a test before you can drive on roads, and other members of society should have claim to your body when you're done with it.

I can't even imagine how you would do in other societies. Like if you lived in the US just 50 years ago and you were drafted, I THOUGHT THIS WAS AMERIKA. YOU MEAN THE GOVERNMENT OWNS MY BODY AND CAN SEND IT TO WARS??

 

[ShawnD1]

Of course you would rather use force, than encourage people to do it. Dont you think it is far nicer, to say cover the funeral expenses of a donor, than to force people to do something?

My suggestion costs $0 and it would work for a huge majority of people. Your suggestion is very nice but it would be less effective and extremely expensive.

People still have a choice, but it's not A vs B as much as it is the right choice vs the wrong choice. If you want to be part of our society,these are the rules, take it or leave it. If you don't want to join the club then that's totally fine, but that also means you don't get any of our club benefits like right to vote, right to own property, social security, right to travel to other countries (they won't let you in if you have no identification), and numerous other benefits.

 

[charrison]

My suggestion costs $0 and it would work for a huge majority of people. Your suggestion is very nice but it would be less effective and extremely expensive.

People still have a choice, but it's not A vs B as much as it is the right choice vs the wrong choice. If you want to be part of our society,these are the rules, take it or leave it. If you don't want to join the club then that's totally fine, but that also means you don't get any of our club benefits like right to vote, right to own property, social security, right to travel to other countries (they won't let you in if you have no identification), and numerous other benefits.

i doubt your method would work better as more people are going to opt out than you think. Things in life are not free and you cant force them to be free either, but it is has never stopped the govt from trying to make it so. Those healthy organs in a young person that has died in a car wreck are very valuable, it is time to stop treating them as a free resource. It is not helping anyone.

People can get cash and movie tickets for blood donation, why should organs be treated differently.

 

[Zebo]

America - sliding into third world day by day.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

So the government blackmails someone to get their kidney and the rich are in the title?

Maybe the government can take organs for taxation purposes. I mean how could they build roads otherwise?
:hmm:

 

[charrison]

Interesting article on the one country that allows organ sales(Iran!?!?!?). No waiting lines for kidney transplants.

http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-614.pdf

 

[Nintendesert]

This will be a non-issue in a few years when we can just grow them from someone's own stem cells, but other than opting everyone into organ donation the idea of people selling organs is rather grotesque.

 

[ShawnD1]

People can get cash and movie tickets for blood donation, why should organs be treated differently.

Because you can donate blood every month.

Organs are a different game altogether. You have 2 kidneys to give away and that's it. While a person who donates blood could donate hundreds of times before they die, people who donate their kidneys only donate one or two. That means there's sometimes a shortage of blood but there's always a shortage of kidneys.

We've tried opt-in and it doesn't work. You can tell people that it's going to save someone's life, and most people still don't. This isn't like donating blood where you need to go somewhere and waste time; donating organs only requires a signature and most people still don't do it. This is why it must be forcefully taken away. Maybe add a convoluted way to get an exception but make it so annoying that nobody wants to do it. To keep your liver after you die, you'll need to fill out form 13-A then get a signature from your doctor then you need your next of kin to sign it then you need it notarized then you need to forward a copy to the agency that keeps track of these things and be sure to keep the original copy just in case.

 

[JohnnyGage]

Because you can donate blood every month.

Organs are a different game altogether. You have 2 kidneys to give away and that's it. While a person who donates blood could donate hundreds of times before they die, people who donate their kidneys only donate one or two. That means there's sometimes a shortage of blood but there's always a shortage of kidneys.

We've tried opt-in and it doesn't work. You can tell people that it's going to save someone's life, and most people still don't. This isn't like donating blood where you need to go somewhere and waste time; donating organs only requires a signature and most people still don't do it. This is why it must be forcefully taken away. Maybe add a convoluted way to get an exception but make it so annoying that nobody wants to do it. To keep your liver after you die, you'll need to fill out form 13-A then get a signature from your doctor then you need your next of kin to sign it then you need it notarized then you need to forward a copy to the agency that keeps track of these things and be sure to keep the original copy just in case.

You must work at the government office that makes people do enviromental impact studies on the bird feeder in the back yard. Let's forcefully take a right away because YOU don't like that people may...oh I don't know have a religious preference against it....or they can't for other health reasons....or they just don't want to. As a matter of fact I think I need you to go to the dentist once a week for a deep cleaning. I'm sure you don't do it enough so we must force you to do so, if you want to get out of it here is a crapload of paperwork for your to fill out. Genius.

And by the way I am definitely an organ donor.....oh wait....there's that word 'donor' it means giving. Jeez, that's only a step down from 'the rich are coming for your organs!' Now that phrase takes a huge amygdala. Stay inside Techs there are some good games on and drink plenty of fluids because 'they' need your organs......bwahahahaha.

 

[dmcowen674]

Not surprising, the Government owns all land and now owns your body.

 

[shortylickens]

Ethicists?
I'm not sure I like the idea of a group of people sitting around making up ethics. I think the ethics in a given community should be determined by the upstanding members of that community (lawyers, doctors, scientists, teachers, businessmen) and if it ever becomes a problem then and only then should the government step in and make straight up LAWS on the issue. And the government should be backed by the will of the people, not making laws because they think they know whats best for us.

/good sense rant


As for the issue at hand, we have already had too many chicken littles telling us about organ markets and organ harvesting and other such nonsense. If its real than this one incident wont change anything. And if its all bullshit, then this one incident wont change anything.

 

[charrison]

Because you can donate blood every month.

Organs are a different game altogether. You have 2 kidneys to give away and that's it. While a person who donates blood could donate hundreds of times before they die, people who donate their kidneys only donate one or two. That means there's sometimes a shortage of blood but there's always a shortage of kidneys.

There is shortage of kidneys due to lack of incentive to donate them. Lots of good kidneys from young dead people never get donated for this reason.

 

[Jaskalas]

Hold onto your livers, kidneys, etc. The rich will be coming for them.

You must be conservative.

 

[classy]

I was reading this story yesterday. What really stood out to me was they both got double life sentences. That in itself was ridiculous. Granted, armed robbery is a very serious crime, but no one died or was even injured badly, from a physical standpoint, but they got double life?

 

[Throckmorton]

I was reading this story yesterday. What really stood out to me was they both got double life sentences. That in itself was ridiculous. Granted, armed robbery is a very serious crime, but no one died or was even injured badly, from a physical standpoint, but they got double life?

They weren't even the armed ones. They were the masterminds. The guys who actually did the robbery got shorter terms, like 7 years or something.

 

[nobodyknows]

If someone wants to sell their kidney, who cares? Its theirs, let them.

What happens if 10 years down the road they have a problem and need a kidney?

It seems to me if they make money sellling a kidney then they should have to pay more for health insurance since they have increased their risk factor for no reason but profit for themselves.

 

[Scotteq]

While I agree on the point that there shouldn't be any quid~pro~quo...



Hypothetical Food For Thought:


- If the Governor (of Mississippi, in this case) had a (D) after his/her name, would the Original Post be about how wonderful, empathetic, caring, and merciful that Governor was that (s)he would work to accommodate even convicted criminals with double life sentences a life saving operation?


...signs point to "Yes".


This thread therefore fails the 'Political Mud Slinging Neutrality' test

 

[matt0611]

What happens if 10 years down the road they have a problem and need a kidney?

It seems to me if they make money sellling a kidney then they should have to pay more for health insurance since they have increased their risk factor for no reason but profit for themselves.

Yeah, I think thats definitely a good point, I would think that too.

I mean, can't you donate a kidney voluntarily? Should be the same thing.

 

[Svnla]

Gotta love how someone said "but it was only $11"..."no one died"..."they did not fire any shots" and some other bullshit.

How about ARMED ROBBERY = FELONY?? If you don't want to go to jail then study hard, work hard, be a good citizen = live happy ever after. Nooooooo. Too much to do so, let be a scumbag, commit crimes and then end up in prison and blame it all on whities.

One more thing, try again OP. The kidney was for her own sister (black), rich white Republican or Bush not found.

 

[charrison]

What happens if 10 years down the road they have a problem and need a kidney?

It seems to me if they make money sellling a kidney then they should have to pay more for health insurance since they have increased their risk factor for no reason but profit for themselves.

How about we first worry about getting a decent donation rate on those kidneys that are no longer needed as opposed to worrying about taking a spare from someone who is alive.

 

[Slew Foot]

never mind that the sister voluntarily decided to donate.

 

[Paratus]

Yes, but the for profit abortion centers certainly can.

Government needs to stay out of our bodies. That's the place for our employers!

It would be awesome for executives of large companies if people could be punished/rewarded for their organs.

Just think as part of their executive compensation and health care package the company would agree to hire at least x number of 20 somethings that have matching blood type and DNA.

New hires would be required provide blood and DNA samples as conditions of employment.

Employees would be required to donate their organs or lose their jobs. If the refuse then by contract they would be required to pay back all compensation paid to that point.

Now a potential new hire could go work somewhere else, so it would be necessary to implement this industry wide, but since most boards share members this shouldn't be a problem