Hold onto your livers, kidneys, etc. The rich will be coming for them.

[techs]

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/scott-...atens-organ-transplant-laws/story?id=12515616

Scott Sisters Kidney Donation Threatens Organ Transplant Laws

Governor's Deal Violates 50-Year-Old Donation Laws Outlawing Coercion and Rewards.

Ethicists say suspending a prison sentence on the condition that one sister give the other a kidney is a "quid pro quo" and threatens the ethical underpinnings of living donation laws.

On Thursday, the governor signed an order that suspended the Scott sisters' life sentences as long as Gladys, 36, who is healthy, donates her kidney to Jamie, 38, who has been on dialysis. The women have been imprisoned for the past 16 years on charges of masterminding an armed robbery.

"As soon as the governor began throwing around commutation -- getting out of her prison sentence -- he began to undercut the ethical framework," said Dr. Art Caplan, director of the Center for Bioethics at the University of Pennsylvania. "He has now put the sisters' donation in jeopardy because the parole is absolutely a payment, which is against the law. It would be considered pressure or coercion."





Uh oh's.
Nice way to slip this in. This isn't even a slippery slope. It's no slope at all. If the law is no longer valid, then the buying and selling of organs, is a-ok.

 

[her209]

And if there was any chance left of Haley Barbour's chances at a Presidential run after the Citizens Council debacle, it just disappeared.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/scott-...atens-organ-transplant-laws/story?id=12515616

Scott Sisters Kidney Donation Threatens Organ Transplant Laws

Governor's Deal Violates 50-Year-Old Donation Laws Outlawing Coercion and Rewards.

Ethicists say suspending a prison sentence on the condition that one sister give the other a kidney is a "quid pro quo" and threatens the ethical underpinnings of living donation laws.

On Thursday, the governor signed an order that suspended the Scott sisters' life sentences as long as Gladys, 36, who is healthy, donates her kidney to Jamie, 38, who has been on dialysis. The women have been imprisoned for the past 16 years on charges of masterminding an armed robbery.

"As soon as the governor began throwing around commutation -- getting out of her prison sentence -- he began to undercut the ethical framework," said Dr. Art Caplan, director of the Center for Bioethics at the University of Pennsylvania. "He has now put the sisters' donation in jeopardy because the parole is absolutely a payment, which is against the law. It would be considered pressure or coercion."





Uh oh's.
Nice way to slip this in. This isn't even a slippery slope. It's no slope at all. If the law is no longer valid, then the buying and selling of organs, is a-ok.

Pretty much, or got a good kidney, get out of jail free, just donate it.

 

[techs]

And if there was any chance left of Haley Barbour's chances at a Presidential run after the Citizens Council debacle, it just disappeared.

Haley. That's kind of girls name, isn't it?

I'm supporting Palin in 2016. If a politician is going to screw me, I prefer the hot milf.

 

[Patranus]

While I do not agree with the reduction in prison sentence, you kidney is your property and if you want to sell it, the government shouldn't get in your way.

After all, privacy with doctors, we can't have laws violating that no can we?

 

[techs]

Pretty much, or got a good kidney, get out of jail free, just donate it.

The great equalizer. Now the poor are actually worth something!

 

[charrison]

While I do not agree with the reduction in prison sentence, you kidney is your property and if you want to sell it, the government shouldn't get in your way.

After all, privacy with doctors, we can't have laws violating that no can we?

I completely agree. People get compensated for giving blood, why cant they get compensated for giving a kidney. Such compensation would probably lead to far more organ donor card getting filled out.

 

[Throckmorton]

I'd sell my kidney... What is the issue here?

Oh I see, I don't have the "right to choose" what to do with "my own body". Talk about a double standard.

 

[PeshakJang]

I'd sell my kidney... What is the issue here?

Oh I see, I don't have the "right to choose" what to do with "my own body". Talk about a double standard.

If there was ever the chance that your kidney could turn into a person, no doubt you'd be able to do whatever you want with it.

 

[Schadenfroh]

And if there was any chance left of Haley Barbour's chances at a Presidential run after the Citizens Council debacle, it just disappeared.

While Barbour is a crafty one, he has one thing even bigger (in the eyes of the public) than this that makes him unelectable, he is a former tobacco lobbyist.

Oh I see, I don't have the "right to choose" what to do with "my own body". Talk about a double standard.

While I agree that people should be able to sell their organs to the highest bidder, the counter-argument would be that women are not allowed to sell the stem-cells of the aborted fetus, AFAIK.

 

[Darwin333]

I'd sell my kidney... What is the issue here?

Oh I see, I don't have the "right to choose" what to do with "my own body". Talk about a double standard.

This.

 

[PokerGuy]

People should never be under any kind of coercion or monetary pressure to sell body parts or organs, that's simply a very bad thing to do in a civilized country.

 

[matt0611]

If someone wants to sell their kidney, who cares? Its theirs, let them.

 

[PokerGuy]

If someone wants to sell their kidney, who cares? Its theirs, let them.

I agree with that part, but there should not be any pressure on them to do so. Can't pay your mortgage this month? No problem, sell your kidney and you can pay your mortgage for this year! Bad bad bad.

 

[3chordcharlie]

I'd sell my kidney... What is the issue here?

Oh I see, I don't have the "right to choose" what to do with "my own body". Talk about a double standard.

If we're talking free, unfettered decision making, I agree completely.

It should be totally legal for me to sell both kidneys, my liver, eyes, and heart to set my family up in style forever.

But the potential for abuse, coersion, etc is unbelievable.

Posthumous donations could be made compensable, which would solve the organ shortage in a hurry; there's still the problem that the difference between 'alive' and 'conveniently dead' is pretty easy to bridge.

 

[matt0611]

I agree with that part, but there should not be any pressure on them to do so. Can't pay your mortgage this month? No problem, sell your kidney and you can pay your mortgage for this year! Bad bad bad.

Oh yeah, I agree with that. No one should be forced to sell your kidney or anything.

 

[Patranus]

While Barbour is a crafty one, he has one thing even bigger (in the eyes of the public) than this that makes him unelectable, he is a former tobacco lobbyist.


While I agree that people should be able to sell their organs to the highest bidder, the counter-argument would be that women are not allowed to sell the stem-cells of the aborted fetus, AFAIK.

Yes, but the for profit abortion centers certainly can.

 

[PeshakJang]

I agree with that part, but there should not be any pressure on them to do so. Can't pay your mortgage this month? No problem, sell your kidney and you can pay your mortgage for this year! Bad bad bad.

That would never happen. Most mortgages cost an arm and a leg.

 

[charrison]

People should never be under any kind of coercion or monetary pressure to sell body parts or organs, that's simply a very bad thing to do in a civilized country.

It is also very bad to a have system that does not encourage organ donation either. The current organ donation system does not work. The govt pays 10s of thousands a year for every person on kidney dialyzes, but that money would probably be far better spent as incentives to get organ donar cards filled out. Think about it.

 

[Steeplerot]

Coming soon to a third world "free market" America: Need healthcare? Sell those organs! Mom needs that bypass surgery but that house and life savings just do not cover the bill?

Do we have the plan for you! If you act now payment plans now available for Anesthesia for both (with your good credit!)

 

[ShawnD1]

I completely agree. People get compensated for giving blood, why cant they get compensated for giving a kidney. Such compensation would probably lead to far more organ donor card getting filled out.

Fact: organ donation should be an opt-out system where you are required to donate every organ unless you renounce citizenship. If you don't want to donate organs and participate in our society, you should also not be allowed to own property or work or receive government benefits. Being part of our society has its dues

It is also very bad to a have system that does not encourage organ donation either. The current organ donation system does not work. The govt pays 10s of thousands a year for every person on kidney dialyzes, but that money would probably be far better spent as incentives to get organ donar cards filled out. Think about it.

Until my opt-out system is fully implemented, the short term solution would be to give priority to people who have officially signed up as organ donors (after they die) a minimum of 2 years before going on the waiting list to receive an organ. People who actually care about other human beings would get to jump line ahead of those retards who think you're not supposed to desecrate a dead body...... until they are sick and need organs.

Coming soon to a third world "free market" America: Need healthcare? Sell those organs! Mom needs that bypass surgery but that house and life savings just do not cover the bill?

There's also a concern about things like kidnapping and murdering people for their organs and selling them. This is why the organ donation system should be opt-out. If every person in the country is an organ donor, there would never be a shortage of organs so there would never be a demand for murder organs. With the short supply we have right now, I don't see why a super rich bidness man like me can't fly over to mainland China and receive a kidney from a freshly murdered Chinese slave with the same blood type as me

 

[PeshakJang]

Coming soon to a third world "free market" America: Need healthcare? Sell those organs! Mom needs that bypass surgery but that house and life savings just do not cover the bill?

Do we have the plan for you! If you act now payment plans now available for Anesthesia for both (with your good credit!)

If only we could be more like Red China...

 

[matt0611]

Coming soon to a third world "free market" America: Need healthcare? Sell those organs! Mom needs that bypass surgery but that house and life savings just do not cover the bill?

Do we have the plan for you! If you act now payment plans now available for Anesthesia for both (with your good credit!)

I guess its better that they die instead right? Sorry, guy, you can't make choices in your life, TheRedUnderURBed said so!

 

[JD50]

Coming soon to a third world "free market" America: Need healthcare? Sell those organs! Mom needs that bypass surgery but that house and life savings just do not cover the bill?

Do we have the plan for you! If you act now payment plans now available for Anesthesia for both (with your good credit!)

So you're saying that people don't have the right to do what they want with their own body?

Whoda thought, SteepleRot is anti-abortion.

 

[PeshakJang]

Fact: organ donation should be an opt-out system where you are required to donate every organ unless you renounce citizenship. If you don't want to donate organs and participate in our society, you should also not be allowed to own property or work or receive government benefits. Being part of our society has its dues

So we're not only "just borrowing" money from the government, we're also just borrowing our bodies?

What about religions that require somebody to be buried with their bodies intact?

It's ironic, that for the most part, your suggestion would mostly only impact the better-off of society... the druggies, drunks, and poor would have low quality organs.

If you were an alcoholic, would you get charged with destruction of government property if you damaged your liver? Same with smokers' lungs?

Maybe once we establish that the government owns 100% of your body after you die, it will be easier to extend this "death tax" to include 100% of your physical assets. Seems logical.