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Hold 'Em - can most people become very good at this?

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xboxist

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I mean, if they study and put in their dues with experience and such? I'm just trying get an idea of how much talent is exactly required to become excellent at this game. I watch the World Poker Tour on tv and I always see familiar faces, which tells me that if there *is* a luck factor in the game, it's a very small one. But then I also see new faces that make it to the final tables, and I just wonder if almost anyone can accomplish that feat if they just do the right things (study and practice).
 
my whole take on the game... it depends if you know how to bet. if you can master that and anticipate how other people will react when you lay down x amount, then you will become a strong player. sure, the luck of the cards play a part in it, but if your getting crappy cards, but can make people think you have something without over-doing it with your bets, you should be able to go far in the game.
 
The game has little to do with the cards, and everything to do with psychology.
 
Aye I would say 75% skill 25% luck. You can have the worst hand possible, and still win the hand if you know how to play the other people.
 
The amount of money I have made playing poker, day after day, tells me it's more skill than luck. There are tons of good books you can read to learn to play right.
 
Originally posted by: VenomXTF
The amount of money I have made playing poker, day after day, tells me it's more skill than luck. There are tons of good books you can read to learn to play right.
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What a way to make a first post... :thumbsup:😀
 
I've actually been a member here for years with another name, but after the forum upgrade I can no longer login with that name, even after changing passwords. Gave up and made a new one.
 
Originally posted by: VenomXTF
The amount of money I have made playing poker, day after day, tells me it's more skill than luck. There are tons of good books you can read to learn to play right.
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motion for ban 😛
 
It's possible to become good at the low-limit online sites really easily, and make money. Anyone could do it, you'd make money if you were simply playing based on a cheat sheet. I played Texas Hold 'Em for the first time online one week ago. For three days, I played a whole lot for play money, read as much as I could, and tried all the different online sites.

After three days, I gave 50 dollars to party poker, because I feel the most comfortable with their software and the players are the worst because of Party Poker's heavy mainstream marketing. I'm up $75 dollars now, a total of $125 which includes the $25 dollar bonus party poker gave me. I've been playing $10+1 dollar tournaments... and because there is always at least one person that is throwing their money away, the house doesn't have an advantage if you know what you're doing.
 
Yup, little to do with cards. So I guess the statistics they show in Hold'em telvised games means nothing. NO? The cards matters just as much as in BlackJack. If you play with a bigger deck, the odds increase against you and vice versa. Seriously, you can break it down into probability, its not all about the poker face. You can have a terrible poker face and know the statistics and do the right bets and still win.
 
I've made over a thousand in the last 3 days. Infact I'm playing right now, and just made 30 bucks as I was typing this post. I love this game, and if anyone would like to play with me at pokerroom feel free 🙂

I hate partypokers software, I played there for a couple hours to win a free chip set promo, and took my deposit plus some extra and the chips and left.
 
i say if you play online its mostly luck and knowing when to go in. its more skill in person cause that way you have to play the player not the cards.
 
Originally posted by: Ryuson99
Originally posted by: TheVrolok
Originally posted by: VenomXTF
You do know that you read people not by just their faces but by their bets?
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Surely, but I would still say online play makes reading a person much more difficult.
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I concur.
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More of a reason why it's harder to read people online and takes more skill. It works both ways though, it's harder for them to read you if you play right.
 
Originally posted by: VenomXTF
Originally posted by: Ryuson99
Originally posted by: TheVrolok
Originally posted by: VenomXTF
You do know that you read people not by just their faces but by their bets?
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Surely, but I would still say online play makes reading a person much more difficult.
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I concur.
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More of a reason why it's harder to read people online and takes more skill. It works both ways though, it's harder for them to read you if you play right.
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online takes more luck in the cards you get. when I play hold-em I study the players and learn how they play as to learn when they have a winner or they are bluffing, that my friend is a skill.

EDIT: when I play in person
 
Ryuson, how is that different from online where I study my opponents the same way? I play both online and live games, and it's harder online because you don't know the people and have to learn them quick. I'd love to see your skill, but I don't think we live close enough. And how much do you play for anyways?
 
Originally posted by: xboxist
I mean, if they study and put in their dues with experience and such? I'm just trying get an idea of how much talent is exactly required to become excellent at this game. I watch the World Poker Tour on tv and I always see familiar faces, which tells me that if there *is* a luck factor in the game, it's a very small one. But then I also see new faces that make it to the final tables, and I just wonder if almost anyone can accomplish that feat if they just do the right things (study and practice).
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mmm . . . depends on what you mean by 'good'. You can take a newphyte and get them to beat the .5/$1 limit games in a day or less. I can give you a link that will make you money in the $10+$1 sng's on party by just following a simple algorithm. It also really depends on the game. Hold 'em is a really nice game because (1) the variance is the lowest of any poker game and (2) because of a quirk the math is really easy to do in your head. NL Hold'em is a completly different beast though . . . and there are many people who want to make the WSOP a multi format event because the achillies heal of HL Hold'em is that given equal stacks there are TWO hands that have good enough pot odds to call an all in - and just barely.

-Chu
 
I've been practicing calculating hand odds and pots by playing online quite a bit lately (for fake money). It's very difficult to do without taking forever. I wonder if the pros actually calculate these odds before making their play or if they just go more on feel.
 
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