hmmm I've never heard of Project MKUltra before

[disappoint]

Have you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MK-ULTRA

Project MKUltra is the code name for a covert research operation experimenting in the behavioral engineering of humans (mind control) through the CIA's Scientific Intelligence Division. The program began in the early 1950s, was officially sanctioned in 1953, was reduced in scope in 1964, further curtailed in 1967 and "officially halted" in 1973.[1] The program engaged in many illegal activities...

 

[disappoint]

Ever get the feeling criminals were running things?

A precursor of the MKUltra program began in 1945 when the Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency was established and given direct responsibility for Operation Paperclip. The program recruited former Nazi scientists, some of whom studied torture and brainwashing, and several who had been identified and prosecuted as war criminals during the Nuremberg Trials.

 

[lxskllr]

Lies. It's nutjob, truther paranoia. The great government of freedom, USA would NEVER engage in unethical, surreptitious behavior.

 

[blankslate]

MK-Ultra caused 9/11

they mind controlled those Saudis into doing it.

Then like in the movie scanners Bin Laden's consciousness jumped into another body

Try not to think about it too much otherwise they'll sense your thoughts...

Tinfoil hats don't have to be hats to offer protection... you can have a wire mesh close to your scalp under your hair and be protected. It's a bit uncomfortable at times but you'll be reasonably safe unless your close to one of the "actives" who might notice that they can't sense your thoughts even though you're right next to them.

 

[Printer Bandit]

did you see carrie underwood's performance at the grammys?....illuminati are sending messages with the owl, monarch butterflies, etc.

 

[disappoint]

Try not to think about it too much otherwise they'll sense your thoughts...

You know the name of the machine the govt. uses to "sense" your thoughts?

Spoiler

You're lookin at it buddy. The internet. DARPA wasn't derping it up when they came up with this.

Google says:

You wrote:
"Try not to think about it too much.."

Did you mean "Try not to post about it too much"?

 

[blankslate]

You're talking about the machine from Person of Interest.... that's real too but it's unrelated to the subject at hand.

 

[darkswordsman17]

As crazy as the world is today, its not that long ago that it was crazy on a level that most people aren't even aware of let alone could comprehend. WWI-WWII and then the resulting Cold War. The amount of crazy shit that took place consistenty is just mindboggling.

I'll never understand people that complain about our sanitary modern world. Its not perfect, not even close, but its a hell of a lot better than the shifty quicksand that so much of even our recent history settled on. Sad thing is, it seems like many people actively want it to turn into worst case scenario. And some countries are working towards the former days.

 

[lxskllr]

As crazy as the world is today, its not that long ago that it was crazy on a level that most people aren't even aware of let alone could comprehend. WWI-WWII and then the resulting Cold War. The amount of crazy shit that took place consistenty is just mindboggling.

I'll never understand people that complain about our sanitary modern world. Its not perfect, not even close, but its a hell of a lot better than the shifty quicksand that so much of even our recent history settled on. Sad thing is, it seems like many people actively want it to turn into worst case scenario. And some countries are working towards the former days.

This has been said since the rise of government. NOTHING changes. Technique gets refined and uses better concealment, but 2013 is the same as 1913, is the same as 1013. The particulars change, but it's the same old bullshit.

 

[disappoint]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Dormouse

Operation Dormouse was a covert operation launched in 1975 by the CIA to divert attention from Project Artichoke[1] and direct it to Project MKULTRA. [2] Contents

• 1 Project Artichoke and Operation Dormouse
• 2 Participants
• 3 See also
• 4 References

Project Artichoke and Operation Dormouse

Recently released documents show that although the actions due to of MKULTRA received most of the attention and public outrage over CIA mind control programs, the earliest and most influential roots in fact were found in the CIA's Project Artichoke.
This was the outcome planned by the CIA when it created Operation Dormouse. It operated out of the CIA's Security Research branch, and was launched as the 1975 Rockefeller Commission report and the subsequent Congressional hearings into CIA illegal activities chaired by Senators Frank Church and Teddy Kennedy started.
The idea was that by exposing the MKULTRA program by essentially offering it to the press, any investigative attempts into the Project Artichoke would be diverted.[3]
In his 2009 book, A Terrible Mistake: The Murder of Frank Olson and the CIA's Secret Cold War Experiments, H. P. Albarelli documents some of the atrocities of the project including terminal interrogations conducted in Germany under Project ARTICHOKE .[4]
Participants

Among other participants, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld have been specifically implicated in Operation Dormouse, working with the CIA to suppress information on Artichoke from surfacing

 

[blankslate]

Among other participants, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld have been specifically implicated in Operation Dormouse, working with the CIA to suppress information on Artichoke from surfacing

Who do you think ordered the mind control of the Saudi's? hmmm....

Kind of explains this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck0Dle9V7FQ

too

 

[luv2liv]

came here expecting the next installment of Mortal Kombat.

 

[disappoint]

came here expecting the next installment of Mortal Kombat.

Isn't that what this thread is about?

 

[disappoint]

Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't.
-Mark Twain


I never did give anybody hell. I just told the truth and they thought it was hell.
-Harry S. Truman

 

[clamum]

Yes I've heard of it; a couple of Truther friends of mine sometimes work it into Facebook debates that I sometimes see.

 

[disappoint]

Yes I've heard of it; a couple of Truther friends of mine sometimes work it into Facebook debates that I sometimes see.

I am so sorry to hear that you subject yourself to facebook debates. I'm not a truther though. I don't think the gooberment could hide it if they had any part in 9/11. They couldn't hide MKUltra and not for a lack of trying either.

 

[clamum]

No, I don't read all of their trash but I have seen it come up occasionally when scanning through comments/posts.

And yeah, I'm no Truther either. That shit's fucking stupid.

 

[zanejohnson]

yeah i've heard/read everything about it..

is it real? yes.

is it still in use? maybe

is there good supporting evidence of it.. oh yes.. read about the entire town the cia "poisoned" with LSD...

 

[KlokWyze]

people in the charge of certain programs should never be held accountable for any of their crimes and should always be defended by the media as heroes.

national security fo shizzle!

 

[Craig234]

There's an entire, terrible history - the US was changed much for the worse by and following WWII, from democracy to accidental ruler of the world.

Should say something that Harry Truman founded the CIA soon after WWII for intelligence functions, and in 5 years it was *removing* democracy in a country like Iran for selfish reasons causing one of our top foreign policy difficulties over 50 years later, and that in 15 years the President of the US, Kennedy, was planning to dramatically overhaul the intelligence structure and 'wanted to cut the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter them to the wind'...

After the CIA treasonously lied to JFK to get him to support their plan, the Bay of Pigs invasion, for which he fired the top two people in the CIA.

That was after the head of the CIA had the man JFK, elected president but not yet inaugurated, planned to be the center of his African policy but who the CIA opposed, African leader Patrice Lumumba, kidnapped and executed without JFK's knowledge three days before the inaguration.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-de...atrice-lumumba-50th-anniversary-assassination

While the creator of the CIA, Harry Truman, wrote an op-ed published one month after JFK's assassination saying the agency was out of control and needed to be stripped of its 'operational' role that was a small side clause in the agency charter that had been turned into the main agency function.

Funny thing, the president's op-ed ran in only one edition of one newspaper and then was never seen again for many years.

But people 'get used' to it and support anything in the name of 'security'.

 

[darkswordsman17]

This has been said since the rise of government. NOTHING changes. Technique gets refined and uses better concealment, but 2013 is the same as 1913, is the same as 1013. The particulars change, but it's the same old bullshit.

Yep, there's nothing different at all.

Of course there's still plenty of bad shit going on but to act like its the same old is absurdity that anyone with even a half-rational mind would not claim.

 

[Doppel]

I can't remember how much is credible about it or not. Conspiracy theorists make up all kinds of shit, but the US has engaged in some proven nefarious activities. The planned false flag attack with taking down a plane and blaming it on Cuba always comes to mind. That is truly espionage commie movie-type bullshit and this government thought it up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

it was authorized by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but then rejected by President John F. Kennedy.

Law is the only thing at all keeping US government in check. Its morality seems to guide it to a limited degree indeed.

 

[Craig234]

I can't remember how much is credible about it or not. Conspiracy theorists make up all kinds of shit, but the US has engaged in some proven nefarious activities. The planned false flag attack with taking down a plane and blaming it on Cuba always comes to mind. That is truly espionage commie movie-type bullshit and this government thought it up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

Law is the only thing at all keeping US government in check. Its morality seems to guide it to a limited degree indeed.

That Operation had the unanimous approval of the Joint Chiefs of Staffs. It's not clear to me if Kennedy heard about it or if it was McNamara that blocked it. It also included a wide variety of operations including some on American soil. I've read parts, it's also not quite clear to me about how many casualties were approved - for example the faked hijacking you mention was a complicated plan that 'faked' a shootdown while landing the jet with the passengers - it's not clear how they'd explain it to everyone later.

But it is a good example of the sort of outrageous thinking going on at the time - old stories about military leaders wanting to 'win' a nuclear war seem real.

People who lived through it might have some little better idea - people didn't think the Soviet Union would be gone in a few years, they expected it to go on for centuries with a possibility of 'human enslavement around the world' or nuclear war in the ongoing 'cold war' between the two. Extreme measures seemed somewhat justified to some people because of that - but they also became a license for terrible things.

It's easier now to just not educate people about the 'cold war mentality', and so many people have little idea about that history.

We really did almost have nuclear global war for multiple reasons. Castro really did tell Kruschev it was ok for Cuba to get nuked for the greater good, which scared him.

Eisenhower irresponsibly had this country on a hair trigger for all out nuclear war if there was some minor skirmish in Europe, with tank commanders facing each other, in order to save money on conventional military options. The air force had total control of that nuclear plan with thousands of targetted cities - they refused to let new Secretary of Defense McNamara see 'their' plan until he had new President Kennedy order them to do so. A major policy of Kennedy was to reduce the risk of accidental nuclear war.

This is important history little discussed now. No, the cold war was just a period when the US and USSR disagreed about economics for a while and then it ended, that's all.

Doppel, the law is not a terribly effective limit on the US government, which is far more about not getting caught than not doing wrong. We spend many billions to do things and hide them.

Ever read the older history, "War is a Racket" by Gen. Butler? Or "Confessions of an Economit Hit Man"?

 

[PricklyPete]

Muse...

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PdGyAR_iOCg

 

[NoStateofMind]

I am so sorry to hear that you subject yourself to facebook debates. I'm not a truther though. I don't think the gooberment could hide it if they had any part in 9/11. They couldn't hide MKUltra and not for a lack of trying either.

Thats BS. How many military weapons do you think we have no one knows about? What about Area 51? The key is making sure each only knows their part but nothing of the next. Its just like you working a job. You know what your job requires but the person above you doesn't. Just like you don't know his. Therefore its entirely possible. If you don't think its possible then you would have to concede the government has no big secrets at all. Thats a bit of a stretch IMO.

Now on to mind control. I see a lot of ignorance here. It literally is ignorance because you do not know any better. I didn't either until I heard about Jose Delgado. Dark Matters: Twisted But True show did a part on him "Remote Control Man". It showed through electrodes in the brain he could induce deep thought or emotion like anger or even sexual arousal. There is one part where he turns the switch on and the subjects hand was clenched. He asked him to open his hand. His response was "Doctor your electricity is stronger than my will". He later developed a wireless version called a stimoceiver but was quite clunky at first. Later revisions had it down to a silver dollar size and this was early 70's!

He then decided to go bullfighting with a steer implanted with one of these stemoceivers. The results were satisfying to say the least. He proved that an electrical impulse could stop the aggression of a charging bull.

Below that video is a quote from one of his books.

"We need a programme of psychosurgery for political control of our society. The purpose is physical control of the mind. Everyone who deviates from the given norm can be surgically mutilated. The individual may think that the most important reality is his own existence, but this is only his personal point of view. This lacks historical perspective. Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal. We must electrically control the brain. Some day armies and generals will be controlled by electric stimulation of the brain."

So I ask you. Knowing how long ago that was and taking into account the massive changes in technology, what does a "stemoceiver" look like today? Once a mind is mapped to know where each emotion and which part moves limbs, how long before you can play master of puppets? I only submit this for your own reasoning. Take it or leave it.