hmm, MLK apparently plagerized parts of doctoral thesis...

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Sachmho
the state of america today is ridiculous... reversed racism is praised everywhere, ie. affirmative action... its all gone too far... i don't oppose equality, but its ludicrous to give someone an edge simply because they're a minority...

It's tough being a white guy these days. All the special privileges that we use to tske for granted in now being equally dispersed to Minorities and Women. What's an Arian Brother to do?

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: HendrixFan
The whole anti-affirmative action tilt going is a cover for closet racists. You can be against affirmative action, and NOT be a racist. However, every racist is against affirmative action.

To say that affirmative action isnt fair ignores reality. I go to the University of Texas at Austin. Blacks and hispanics are HORRIBLY under-represented in enrollment. Why? Are they in any way intellectually inferior to whites? Is there a genetic shortcoming only found in minorities that prevents them from being capable of achieving a college education?

I say there isnt. Why then would minorities not be likely to make it to college? I say it is our society. The society that we have now makes it extremely difficult for blacks or hispanics to be able to get to college. That means, racism works as a function of our society. To say that we should look away when race tries to become an issue is accepting racism.

WEll put. But the CR's here don't see it that way. As usual someone starts an anti-minority thread, usually black. And the usual cross-burning thread posting begins. Weak

 

[gump47371]

Originally posted by: HendrixFan
The whole anti-affirmative action tilt going is a cover for closet racists. You can be against affirmative action, and NOT be a racist. However, every racist is against affirmative action.

To say that affirmative action isnt fair ignores reality. I go to the University of Texas at Austin. Blacks and hispanics are HORRIBLY under-represented in enrollment. Why? Are they in any way intellectually inferior to whites? Is there a genetic shortcoming only found in minorities that prevents them from being capable of achieving a college education?

I say there isnt. Why then would minorities not be likely to make it to college? I say it is our society. The society that we have now makes it extremely difficult for blacks or hispanics to be able to get to college. That means, racism works as a function of our society. To say that we should look away when race tries to become an issue is accepting racism.

I have to disagree with you, HendrixFan. Here is an excerpt from President Bush's speech referring to the U of Michigan application.


In the programs under review by the Supreme Court, the University of Michigan has established an admissions process based on race. At the undergraduate level, African American students and some Hispanic students and Native American students receive 20 points out of a maximum of 150, not because of any academic achievement or life experience, but solely because they are African American, Hispanic or Native American.

I don't think you can read that and say society isn't giving minorities a fair chance to attend college.

 

[Dragnov]

Get this through your head you thick-headed people.

Reverse racism does NOT exist.

Geez. Oh boo hoo, are they taking away spots for white people in college and in jobs? All 1% of them that are benefited form affirmative action?

I mean it relates so well to what blacks experienced historically you know?

God, I'm kinda sad to say that I'm republican. No wonder everyone hates them. I don't like affirmative action either, but reverse racism? hahahahaha.

 

[HendrixFan]

Originally posted by: gump47371


I have to disagree with you, HendrixFan. Here is an excerpt from President Bush's speech referring to the U of Michigan application.


In the programs under review by the Supreme Court, the University of Michigan has established an admissions process based on race. At the undergraduate level, African American students and some Hispanic students and Native American students receive 20 points out of a maximum of 150, not because of any academic achievement or life experience, but solely because they are African American, Hispanic or Native American.

I don't think you can read that and say society isn't giving minorities a fair chance to attend college.

But what U of Michigan had was affirmative action. Affirmative action helps to negate the disadvantage society places on minorities. I agree with the U of Michigan's policy there, the problem is that Bush did NOT agree with it and spoke out against it.

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Originally posted by: HendrixFan
The whole anti-affirmative action tilt going is a cover for closet racists. You can be against affirmative action, and NOT be a racist. However, every racist is against affirmative action.

To say that affirmative action isnt fair ignores reality. I go to the University of Texas at Austin. Blacks and hispanics are HORRIBLY under-represented in enrollment. Why? Are they in any way intellectually inferior to whites? Is there a genetic shortcoming only found in minorities that prevents them from being capable of achieving a college education?

I say there isnt. Why then would minorities not be likely to make it to college? I say it is our society. The society that we have now makes it extremely difficult for blacks or hispanics to be able to get to college. That means, racism works as a function of our society. To say that we should look away when race tries to become an issue is accepting racism.

Exactly. We are all Asian and Caucasian. I was going to post that there are no black and hispanic students here but I didn't want to be flamed to a crisp. All 5 or 6 black students I've had in my classes have been amazingly smart. How is that to be interpreted?

Affirmative action may still be necessary in a nation that has oppressed an entire people for hundreds of years, causing them to be inferior...
Btw, in case anyone doesn't know, UT doesn't have affirmative action.

 

[gump47371]

I disagree with it also. I do not see how minorities can sit around and cry for "equal rights" and then be in favor of something like that. It seems to me that if they truly wanted equal rights, they would be against crutches like that.

The only thing that does it keep them down, it does not help them in any way, only gives them a crutch to lean on.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: HendrixFan
The whole anti-affirmative action tilt going is a cover for closet racists. You can be against affirmative action, and NOT be a racist. However, every racist is against affirmative action.

To say that affirmative action isnt fair ignores reality. I go to the University of Texas at Austin. Blacks and hispanics are HORRIBLY under-represented in enrollment. Why? Are they in any way intellectually inferior to whites? Is there a genetic shortcoming only found in minorities that prevents them from being capable of achieving a college education?

I say there isnt. Why then would minorities not be likely to make it to college? I say it is our society. The society that we have now makes it extremely difficult for blacks or hispanics to be able to get to college. That means, racism works as a function of our society. To say that we should look away when race tries to become an issue is accepting racism.

WEll put. But the CR's here don't see it that way. As usual someone starts an anti-minority thread, usually black. And the usual cross-burning thread posting begins. Weak

Better to have them cowardly posting away in the anonimity of their Keyboards than out on the streets in Pickups or out on dates trying to procreate.

 

[WinkOsmosis]

It's amusing how closet racists come out of the woodwork in threads like this.
Disclaimer: Millennium, I am not calling YOU a racist.

 

[HendrixFan]

To continue what Jellomancer was saying, UT used to have affirmative action until they switched over to a top 10% rule. If you graduate in the top 10% of your high school class, you would automatically be admitted into any public university in Texas. They figured that would take a blind eye to race with admission, and bring in minorities. They thought that "black" schools would send 10% black kids their way, and "hispanic" schools would send 10% of them to college.

This actually made things worse. In "minority" schools, the top 10% was made up heavily of the few white kids that went there. Since the state of Texas put this top 10% plan into place, the statistics have gotten worse.

I think income levels hinder a young persons future considerably as well. University of Michigan gave 20 points on their system to poor students. I know at UT, probably 60-70% of the people I meet have their parent pay for school, room and board, car, and give them fun money. It is a very elitist school. I didnt used to favor affirmative action until I got to UT and I saw in practice how unfair upper level education was.

 

[katka]

This was reported years ago. I thought that they decided that his action more than made up for the plagarism and let it go. If it is in the news again, I guess not.😕

 

[HendrixFan]

Its a smear campaign against MLK. It in no way changes the impact he had on society, and the key role he played in getting people to accept one another. Most people wouldnt care about his thesis, because it was utterly insignificant in regards to his achievements. Some people will be disappointed by it. Others will take the opportunity to jump all over it, trumpet it in the streets, because they are still upset at what he had done 40 years ago. Only racists would be enraged by it, and use it as some sort of red herring.

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Originally posted by: HendrixFan
Its a smear campaign against MLK. It in no way changes the impact he had on society, and the key role he played in getting people to accept one another. Most people wouldnt care about his thesis, because it was utterly insignificant in regards to his achievements. Some people will be disappointed by it. Others will take the opportunity to jump all over it, trumpet it in the streets, because they are still upset at what he had done 40 years ago. Only racists would be enraged by it, and use it as some sort of red herring.

Well said.

 

[exp]

I thought that they decided that his action more than made up for the plagarism and let it go.

I would hope nobody decided that. I don't care if Almighty God Himself was the one caught stealing intellectual property...the originator of that material deserves recognition (and whatever else is appropriate in such a situation).

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: HendrixFan
The whole anti-affirmative action tilt going is a cover for closet racists. You can be against affirmative action, and NOT be a racist. However, every racist is against affirmative action.

To say that affirmative action isnt fair ignores reality. I go to the University of Texas at Austin. Blacks and hispanics are HORRIBLY under-represented in enrollment. Why? Are they in any way intellectually inferior to whites? Is there a genetic shortcoming only found in minorities that prevents them from being capable of achieving a college education?

I say there isnt. Why then would minorities not be likely to make it to college? I say it is our society. The society that we have now makes it extremely difficult for blacks or hispanics to be able to get to college. That means, racism works as a function of our society. To say that we should look away when race tries to become an issue is accepting racism.

WEll put. But the CR's here don't see it that way. As usual someone starts an anti-minority thread, usually black. And the usual cross-burning thread posting begins. Weak

Better to have them cowardly posting away in the anonimity of their Keyboards than out on the streets in Pickups or out on dates trying to procreate.

LOL. I guess your right. But man doesn't it get old sometimes. And how can anyone take cheap shots at MLK? Jesse may be a different story but MLK? I know of no man great or small without faults.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: HendrixFan
To continue what Jellomancer was saying, UT used to have affirmative action until they switched over to a top 10% rule. If you graduate in the top 10% of your high school class, you would automatically be admitted into any public university in Texas. They figured that would take a blind eye to race with admission, and bring in minorities. They thought that "black" schools would send 10% black kids their way, and "hispanic" schools would send 10% of them to college.

This actually made things worse. In "minority" schools, the top 10% was made up heavily of the few white kids that went there. Since the state of Texas put this top 10% plan into place, the statistics have gotten worse.

I think income levels hinder a young persons future considerably as well. University of Michigan gave 20 points on their system to poor students. I know at UT, probably 60-70% of the people I meet have their parent pay for school, room and board, car, and give them fun money. It is a very elitist school. I didnt used to favor affirmative action until I got to UT and I saw in practice how unfair upper level education was.

But everything you said about UT is just your experience. Every University is not the same. At my University it is very integrated. I also don't believe any of them were given admission just because of their race. They earned it plain and simple.

I have a question for you about the High School part of your post. I don't understand why there was not more minorities in the top 10% of a school that was almost all minority. It doesn't make sense how that is the fault of ANY policy.

Secondly, in answer to people who are calling some in this thread "closet racists" I ask you what makes you an authority to condemn someone because they are anti-affirmative action. The term "racist" has been thrown around so much on this board and in reality that it has almost lost all reality. Hell if I didn't hear the term everyday I would almost think our society was homogenizing/ Without all the people screaming racist and accusing people of hating them it might make society likely to forget color.

Whatever. People who scream racist in unnecessary cases(i.e. Classy and Trollmancer) are as much a problem as the racists out there. That is my opinion but I notice that a lot of people who scream racist the most on here are the most likely to check skin color to begin with.

This is not something to defend the racists out there. They are an obvious problem but they get plenty of attention without me chiming in. Everyone knows racists are a problem, but everyone doesn't know that those who scream racism at the drop of a hat are an equal problem.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: HendrixFan
The whole anti-affirmative action tilt going is a cover for closet racists. You can be against affirmative action, and NOT be a racist. However, every racist is against affirmative action.

To say that affirmative action isnt fair ignores reality. I go to the University of Texas at Austin. Blacks and hispanics are HORRIBLY under-represented in enrollment. Why? Are they in any way intellectually inferior to whites? Is there a genetic shortcoming only found in minorities that prevents them from being capable of achieving a college education?

I say there isnt. Why then would minorities not be likely to make it to college? I say it is our society. The society that we have now makes it extremely difficult for blacks or hispanics to be able to get to college. That means, racism works as a function of our society. To say that we should look away when race tries to become an issue is accepting racism.

WEll put. But the CR's here don't see it that way. As usual someone starts an anti-minority thread, usually black. And the usual cross-burning thread posting begins. Weak

Better to have them cowardly posting away in the anonimity of their Keyboards than out on the streets in Pickups or out on dates trying to procreate.

LOL. I guess your right. But man doesn't it get old sometimes. And how can anyone take cheap shots at MLK? Jesse may be a different story but MLK? I know of no man great or small without faults.

So because he was a great man his faults should not be discussed?

 

[gump47371]

Guess I have never commented on original topic, so I will now, before I get accused of being a racist again.

MLK, IMO, was a great speaker, good leader, and had good ideas. Whether they were his own or not, doesn't matter. If they are good ideas, then they are good ideas, period. I do think, however, that the black "leaders" should more closely follow what he was trying to achieve, and not try to twist it to where they think minorities need this, and that, and this to be "equal" to whites.

Reverse racism, or whatever you want to call it, DOES exist. Racism does not just exist if it is coming from the majority. Racism is, by definition:

a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

That is coming from the majority, or minority. I do not see how your argument that reverse racism doesn't exist holds water.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: HendrixFan
Its a smear campaign against MLK. It in no way changes the impact he had on society, and the key role he played in getting people to accept one another. Most people wouldnt care about his thesis, because it was utterly insignificant in regards to his achievements. Some people will be disappointed by it. Others will take the opportunity to jump all over it, trumpet it in the streets, because they are still upset at what he had done 40 years ago. Only racists would be enraged by it, and use it as some sort of red herring.

Yes because only racists could want to discuss plagiarism that a respected man used.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: HendrixFan
To continue what Jellomancer was saying, UT used to have affirmative action until they switched over to a top 10% rule. If you graduate in the top 10% of your high school class, you would automatically be admitted into any public university in Texas. They figured that would take a blind eye to race with admission, and bring in minorities. They thought that "black" schools would send 10% black kids their way, and "hispanic" schools would send 10% of them to college.

This actually made things worse. In "minority" schools, the top 10% was made up heavily of the few white kids that went there. Since the state of Texas put this top 10% plan into place, the statistics have gotten worse.

I think income levels hinder a young persons future considerably as well. University of Michigan gave 20 points on their system to poor students. I know at UT, probably 60-70% of the people I meet have their parent pay for school, room and board, car, and give them fun money. It is a very elitist school. I didnt used to favor affirmative action until I got to UT and I saw in practice how unfair upper level education was.

But everything you said about UT is just your experience. Every University is not the same. At my University it is very integrated. I also don't believe any of them were given admission just because of their race. They earned it plain and simple.

I have a question for you about the High School part of your post. I don't understand why there was not more minorities in the top 10% of a school that was almost all minority. It doesn't make sense how that is the fault of ANY policy.

Secondly, in answer to people who are calling some in this thread "closet racists" I ask you what makes you an authority to condemn someone because they are anti-affirmative action. The term "racist" has been thrown around so much on this board and in reality that it has almost lost all reality. Hell if I didn't hear the term everyday I would almost think our society was homogenizing/ Without all the people screaming racist and accusing people of hating them it might make society likely to forget color.

Whatever. People who scream racist in unnecessary cases(i.e. Classy and Trollmancer) are as much a problem as the racists out there. That is my opinion but I notice that a lot of people who scream racist the most on here are the most likely to check skin color to begin with.

This is not something to defend the racists out there. They are an obvious problem but they get plenty of attention without me chiming in. Everyone knows racists are a problem, but everyone doesn't know that those who scream racism at the drop of a hat are an equal problem.

I notice that yoiu never pass up the chance to call Classy a Racist youself.. Maybe you should practice what you preach.

 

"Chill out Jim.... Did you even read what I highlighted with bold??"

Jellomancer, ignore him. All he ever does is label every Tom, Dick and Harry, particularly those with differing opinions, a troll or an attention whore. He's the self-proclaimed policeman of AT. It certainly wasn't you that brought up the "who's a racist discussion". The original subject was Martin Luther plagiarising, but some guy apparently felt compelled to make it known to us that "[he, the member, is] not a racist"

On a serious note about Martin Luther: I've always had trouble with all of the credits given to him for the civil rights movement. As stated by another member, it took a whole lot of people to get to where Blacks are now. For some reason, the government and media chose to idolise him.

But that isn't exactly relevant to the allegation of plagiarism. I think that plagiarism is an entirely different subject that merits discussion in academia. I agree with Carbonyl that the problem stems from the definition of plagiarism. There are so many ideas I came up with without reading anyone's material, yet I was expected to cite a source otherwise I wasn't giving due credit. There are some things that are fundamentally available to all of mankind and don't require the work of innovative thinkers. Now, on the other hand, I do agree on the other hand that copying word for word is clearly plagiarism and merits rebuke.

In the case of Martin Luther King, I have no concrete materials to examine his work and the source that he allegedly copied from. He is not here to defend himself. I do not know whether it is true or not therefore. I have only heard it, but I haven't seen the materials myself. I cannot draw any conclusions. But if it hypothetically true that he plagiarised someone else's work--using a stricter definition of 'plagiarism', then I do think that he deserves to be stripped of his title (as anyone else would be). Until I see a proof, it remains an allegation.

There was a report about pastors plagiarising. It had me cracking up because I knew some of them who did stuff like that. I guess ideas are to be shared ultimately, but giving credit where due is really an act of courtesy.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: HendrixFan
To continue what Jellomancer was saying, UT used to have affirmative action until they switched over to a top 10% rule. If you graduate in the top 10% of your high school class, you would automatically be admitted into any public university in Texas. They figured that would take a blind eye to race with admission, and bring in minorities. They thought that "black" schools would send 10% black kids their way, and "hispanic" schools would send 10% of them to college.

This actually made things worse. In "minority" schools, the top 10% was made up heavily of the few white kids that went there. Since the state of Texas put this top 10% plan into place, the statistics have gotten worse.

I think income levels hinder a young persons future considerably as well. University of Michigan gave 20 points on their system to poor students. I know at UT, probably 60-70% of the people I meet have their parent pay for school, room and board, car, and give them fun money. It is a very elitist school. I didnt used to favor affirmative action until I got to UT and I saw in practice how unfair upper level education was.

But everything you said about UT is just your experience. Every University is not the same. At my University it is very integrated. I also don't believe any of them were given admission just because of their race. They earned it plain and simple.

I have a question for you about the High School part of your post. I don't understand why there was not more minorities in the top 10% of a school that was almost all minority. It doesn't make sense how that is the fault of ANY policy.

Secondly, in answer to people who are calling some in this thread "closet racists" I ask you what makes you an authority to condemn someone because they are anti-affirmative action. The term "racist" has been thrown around so much on this board and in reality that it has almost lost all reality. Hell if I didn't hear the term everyday I would almost think our society was homogenizing/ Without all the people screaming racist and accusing people of hating them it might make society likely to forget color.

Whatever. People who scream racist in unnecessary cases(i.e. Classy and Trollmancer) are as much a problem as the racists out there. That is my opinion but I notice that a lot of people who scream racist the most on here are the most likely to check skin color to begin with.

This is not something to defend the racists out there. They are an obvious problem but they get plenty of attention without me chiming in. Everyone knows racists are a problem, but everyone doesn't know that those who scream racism at the drop of a hat are an equal problem.

Name one post in my entire history where I screamed or complained about racism? Find one jerk off. The only time I ever talk about racism is when one of the family here, a white boy usually, starts cross burning. Thats the only time. I have defended JJ, but never defended Sharp or Farrkhan. I have trashed the last two as bad as I trash anyone else. But the fact here is, there is a lot of no good pos racists on this board that spout a bunch of crap with support from many of the peanut gallery here. But the sad part is the story they want to hear or read is from some dumb white person who thinks he's got it all figured out. I don't subscribe to the theory to much that you have to be black to know how we feel. But I do believe there is a limit as too how deeply a white person can be affected. So when you mention me get the facts straight. clown :disgust:

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: HendrixFan
To continue what Jellomancer was saying, UT used to have affirmative action until they switched over to a top 10% rule. If you graduate in the top 10% of your high school class, you would automatically be admitted into any public university in Texas. They figured that would take a blind eye to race with admission, and bring in minorities. They thought that "black" schools would send 10% black kids their way, and "hispanic" schools would send 10% of them to college.

This actually made things worse. In "minority" schools, the top 10% was made up heavily of the few white kids that went there. Since the state of Texas put this top 10% plan into place, the statistics have gotten worse.

I think income levels hinder a young persons future considerably as well. University of Michigan gave 20 points on their system to poor students. I know at UT, probably 60-70% of the people I meet have their parent pay for school, room and board, car, and give them fun money. It is a very elitist school. I didnt used to favor affirmative action until I got to UT and I saw in practice how unfair upper level education was.

But everything you said about UT is just your experience. Every University is not the same. At my University it is very integrated. I also don't believe any of them were given admission just because of their race. They earned it plain and simple.

I have a question for you about the High School part of your post. I don't understand why there was not more minorities in the top 10% of a school that was almost all minority. It doesn't make sense how that is the fault of ANY policy.

Secondly, in answer to people who are calling some in this thread "closet racists" I ask you what makes you an authority to condemn someone because they are anti-affirmative action. The term "racist" has been thrown around so much on this board and in reality that it has almost lost all reality. Hell if I didn't hear the term everyday I would almost think our society was homogenizing/ Without all the people screaming racist and accusing people of hating them it might make society likely to forget color.

Whatever. People who scream racist in unnecessary cases(i.e. Classy and Trollmancer) are as much a problem as the racists out there. That is my opinion but I notice that a lot of people who scream racist the most on here are the most likely to check skin color to begin with.

This is not something to defend the racists out there. They are an obvious problem but they get plenty of attention without me chiming in. Everyone knows racists are a problem, but everyone doesn't know that those who scream racism at the drop of a hat are an equal problem.

I notice that yoiu never pass up the chance to call Classy a Racist youself.. Maybe you should practice what you preach.

I realize you are well into old age but if you will adjust your reading glasses you will see I never said any such thing. The only thing that I said that could be remotely construed as what you are accusing me of is the part where I said I noticed that those who throw around the term racist tend to check skin color before they throw out the label. If you haven't seen that from people on this board then I have given you too much credit the entire time I have been here. I am hoping it was just a moment of mental fogginess because it is not like you to accuse me of something that I did not say. The only time Classy's name was even mentioned was when I said "People who scream racist in unnecessary cases."

Maybe you can give me some type of clue on how I labeled Classy a racist by saying that. If not get your prescription checked.

 

[HendrixFan]

Originally posted by: Millennium


But everything you said about UT is just your experience. Every University is not the same. At my University it is very integrated. I also don't believe any of them were given admission just because of their race. They earned it plain and simple.

I have a question for you about the High School part of your post. I don't understand why there was not more minorities in the top 10% of a school that was almost all minority. It doesn't make sense how that is the fault of ANY policy.

Secondly, in answer to people who are calling some in this thread "closet racists" I ask you what makes you an authority to condemn someone because they are anti-affirmative action. The term "racist" has been thrown around so much on this board and in reality that it has almost lost all reality. Hell if I didn't hear the term everyday I would almost think our society was homogenizing/ Without all the people screaming racist and accusing people of hating them it might make society likely to forget color.

Whatever. People who scream racist in unnecessary cases(i.e. Classy and Trollmancer) are as much a problem as the racists out there. That is my opinion but I notice that a lot of people who scream racist the most on here are the most likely to check skin color to begin with.

This is not something to defend the racists out there. They are an obvious problem but they get plenty of attention without me chiming in. Everyone knows racists are a problem, but everyone doesn't know that those who scream racism at the drop of a hat are an equal problem.

Good points. In the late 90s there were quite a few cases involving race based admissions nationwide. It was during this time I got to look at some numbers (no links, sorry), and while it did vary to an extend, there was an obvious trend where enrollment in colleges and universities did not reflect population data for that state. Of course, I dont know which universities are allowed to use affirmative action (it depends on region, whatever the district court for those states ruled), but as I said, it was a nationwide trend not limited to Texas. Its just that I have a more "hands on" experience here.

The top 10% illustrates that while economic factors certainly come into play, race still does count. I hope that very few people believe that blacks and hispanics are intellectually inferior to whites or asians. When you go to certain areas in Texas (in the valley for example) you have a very low economic status for most the students. But amongst schools in the poorest districts, or the richest districts, and everything in between; whites finished at the top of the class, even if they were the "minority" at their school. My high school had about 30-40% whites, the rest were minority. The top 10% of my class was almost completely white, even though the school had about 25% blacks, there were only 2 blacks in my graduating class. There was about a 70% dropout rate at my high school, we'd usually have about 1000 freshmen yearly, and around 300 graduating seniors, and we took in more kids from transfers than we let go. In my high school, and elsewhere around Texas, whites make up the majority of the top 10% fo the class. What that means, is when you break down by economic levels, whites will still finish ahead of minorities the majority of the time. Again, I dont believe minorities to be intellectually inferior. Instead, I take that as proof that being a minority puts you at distinct disadvantage. It isnt the fault of any policy, that is my point. If you dont institute affirmative action, and just let things be, it wont be fair. Inaction will continue to discriminate against minorities.

 

[HendrixFan]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: HendrixFan
Its a smear campaign against MLK. It in no way changes the impact he had on society, and the key role he played in getting people to accept one another. Most people wouldnt care about his thesis, because it was utterly insignificant in regards to his achievements. Some people will be disappointed by it. Others will take the opportunity to jump all over it, trumpet it in the streets, because they are still upset at what he had done 40 years ago. Only racists would be enraged by it, and use it as some sort of red herring.

Yes because only racists could want to discuss plagiarism that a respected man used.

I didnt say that only racists would want to discuss it. I only said that racists would be "enraged" by plagarism done or not done by someone 40 years ago, who was assassinated over 30 years ago, when their thesis had little to no impact on his daily life.