Hit 60 in WoW today...

[Jumpem]

I don't like the way the end-game is set up at all. I don't want to have to group in order to do anything. I don't want to have to spend hours in an instance hoping that something good drops, and then have to roll against others if it does. I wish I could solo everything end-game. Being forced to group just sucks.

Then, if I want to make my own weapon or armor set it takes weeks of farming for the ingredients. That sucks too. I'm about ready to cancel.

 

[Zugzwang152]

Originally posted by: Jumpem
I don't like the way the end-game is set up at all. I don't want to have to group in order to do anything. I don't want to have to spend hours in an instance hoping that something good drops, and then have to roll against others if it does. I wish I could solo everything end-game. Being forced to group just sucks.

Then, if I want to make my own weapon or armor set it takes weeks of farming for the ingredients. That sucks too. I'm about ready to cancel.

welcome to MMO's :roll:

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: Zugzwang152
welcome to MMO's :roll:

I guess I was expecting where you could group if you wanted or solo if you wanted. I didn't know you'd be forced to group to accomplish anything. Or that it'd literally take weeks to get decent gear. This is rediculius.

 

[Zugzwang152]

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: Zugzwang152
welcome to MMO's :roll:

I guess I was expecting where you could group if you wanted or solo if you wanted. I didn't know you'd be forced to group to accomplish anything. Or that it'd literally take weeks to get decent gear. This is rediculius.

you're not forced to group to accomplish everything. By the way you make it sound, you've gotten to max level without grouping. that is an achievement right there. The very nature of MMO's is such that you get to interact with other players. Don't like it? There is a plethora of non-online RPG's to play single player.

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: Zugzwang152
you're not forced to group to accomplish everything. By the way you make it sound, you've gotten to max level without grouping. that is an achievement right there. The very nature of MMO's is such that you get to interact with other players. Don't like it? There is a plethora of non-online RPG's to play single player.

I've grouped for various instances along the way, sure. But all of the good endgame gear is rare drops on high instance bosses. The only way to get it is to run the same instances over and over hoping for it. I don't find it fun to spend so much time on one piece of gear. I want to be able to go solo a boss and get it.

 

[nsafreak]

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: Zugzwang152
you're not forced to group to accomplish everything. By the way you make it sound, you've gotten to max level without grouping. that is an achievement right there. The very nature of MMO's is such that you get to interact with other players. Don't like it? There is a plethora of non-online RPG's to play single player.

I've grouped for various instances along the way, sure. But all of the good endgame gear is rare drops on high instance bosses. The only way to get it is to run the same instances over and over hoping for it. I don't find it fun to spend so much time on one piece of gear. I want to be able to go solo a boss and get it.

As good as that gear is it simply is not going to happen. That would depreciate the value of the gear as it would be way too easy to acquire. Because what you're asking is to have a boss killable as a single player that drops epic, legendary or artifact (super duper extremely hard to get) equipment. Just not going to happen as it does not make any sense in the game world at all. That's like asking for a single player kill of a boss like Onyxia or Lord Kazzak which is just silly considering how massive those bosses are in the game.

 

[mhillary]

Originally posted by: Jumpem
I don't like the way the end-game is set up at all. I don't want to have to group in order to do anything. I don't want to have to spend hours in an instance hoping that something good drops, and then have to roll against others if it does. I wish I could solo everything end-game. Being forced to group just sucks.

Then, if I want to make my own weapon or armor set it takes weeks of farming for the ingredients. That sucks too. I'm about ready to cancel.

Congrats!!

 

[Litchfield285]

what class are you?

 

[manko]

Originally posted by: Jumpem

I've grouped for various instances along the way, sure. But all of the good endgame gear is rare drops on high instance bosses. The only way to get it is to run the same instances over and over hoping for it. I don't find it fun to spend so much time on one piece of gear.

I played WoW for a couple months and cancelled after I hit 60 for the same reason. Not so much that I want to be able to solo the bosses, but that I don't want to endlessly repeat the same thing. I enjoyed exploring the world for the first time and learning new skills and running new instances a few times as I levelled, but the dull, repetitive instance farming of the endgame didn't hold my interest. The under-developed PvP system was really disappointing too, it was either gank or be ganked, or a dull back and forth game, and the victor was usually the side that didn't get bored first. Without any PvP objectives or anyway to capture areas, it got old real fast.

I started an alt and concentrated on raising crafting and enchanting, but the areas didn't have the newness of the first time and I realized crafting was just killing time because nothing else was interesting me, but it really wasn't much fun because of fundamental structural problems in the economy (raw materials prices being based on people leveling crafting for the sake of leveling, rather than what crafted products actually sell for).

I had been looking forward to Battlegrounds since before WoW was released, but after I got bored, I didn't want to pay for endless months of boredom while waiting for the release. Once they do release Battlegrounds, I'll see what everbody says about it, then I might start up and give it a try again. Until then, I've moved on to other things.

I think WoW did a lot of things right and I really did enjoy the road to 60 and feel I got my money's worth, but so far, the end-game isn't for me.

 

[ArmchairAthlete]

Originally posted by: Jumpem
I don't like the way the end-game is set up at all. I don't want to have to group in order to do anything. I don't want to have to spend hours in an instance hoping that something good drops, and then have to roll against others if it does. I wish I could solo everything end-game. Being forced to group just sucks.

Then, if I want to make my own weapon or armor set it takes weeks of farming for the ingredients. That sucks too. I'm about ready to cancel.

Could start a new character if you've seen some other classes you thought would be cool. Maybe if you are Alliance check out the Horde and vice versa.

But you are right about endgame suckage. I'm a rogue with no guild right now after the big one I was in imploded, not much I can do since rogues are WAY overpopulated now and trying to get a group takes so long I just lose my patience. I did manage to get pretty nice gear running instances and crafting, but Molten Core wasn't even that great for me once we started doing it. You have to devote like 6+ hours at one sitting (automatically alienating most people from ever doing this). You've got to wait 1-2 hours just for a group of 40 lvl 60s to get their crap together and get in the instance / go over what's gonna happen. You have to wait another 10+ minutes every time you wipe. Being a rogue like myself I was pretty much useless in there too.

Taking down the big bosses in there is sorta cool... but the way our guild (and probably most) had a point system set up, only the people who play sh*tons were ever going to get any of the loot for a long time. Like the guy who admitted he's on welfare and just wants to play WoW rather than find a JOB.

So, when someone who doesn't want to put as much time in as other guild members realizes all of this, and isn't having much fun, they move on to other servers with new characters or just don't play much. The guild had difficulty getting a full group for MC together, the more "hardcore" people got pissed off, key people started to leave, and the guild died.

EDIT: Honor system / Battlegrounds may be cool (I'll check it out) but it's still group oriented for the most part. I'm fine with that but the OP is not.

 

[Gurck]

Sounds to me as though MMOGs aren't for you, pick up a copy of CS:S.

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: Litchfield285
what class are you?

60 rogue
35 hunter
24 warrior
22 mage
8 priest

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: Gurck
Sounds to me as though MMOGs aren't for you, pick up a copy of CS:S.

I can't stand FPS games. They are the epitomy of mindless repetitive gaming.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: Gurck
Sounds to me as though MMOGs aren't for you, pick up a copy of CS:S.

I can't stand FPS games. They are the epitomy of mindless repetitive gaming.

Lol on a few levels...

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

I like MMOG's, but I hate their monthly fees!

 

[cherrytwist]

I've been lvl 60 for about a month and I'm having a blast.

About 33% of the content (raid instances, etc.) you can't even do until you're lvl 60.

Oh, and I'm guilded and like to PVP occasionally (PVP server).

It's not for everybody, but there's plenty to do...

 

[DanTMWTMP]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: Gurck
Sounds to me as though MMOGs aren't for you, pick up a copy of CS:S.

I can't stand FPS games. They are the epitomy of mindless repetitive gaming.

Lol on a few levels...

mindless repetitive gaming, eh?

rofl. so mmo's aren't the same?

every mmo = grind grind grind, get ingredients/materials, etc.

in fact, WoW is the easiest mmorpg to gain top level and equipment, so I'm not sure why exactly you are complaining.

 

[magomago]

grind grind grind farm farm farm!

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: magomago
grind grind grind farm farm farm!

Two sides of the same coin... if that's the way you see it, you may need a break from MMOGs - perhaps permanently. Go outside, play an FPS, whatever. Alternatively you can see it as an opportunity to socialize with your friends and/or guild and have a fun time with a shot at upgrading your character. Having the latter mindset leads to much more MMOG enjoyment. These games aren't for everyone. If you don't enjoy them that's fine, but it doesn't mean they suck or are repetitive.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: magomago
grind grind grind farm farm farm!

Two sides of the same coin... if that's the way you see it, you may need a break from MMOGs - perhaps permanently. Go outside, play an FPS, whatever. Alternatively you can see it as an opportunity to socialize with your friends and/or guild and have a fun time with a shot at upgrading your character. Having the latter mindset leads to much more MMOG enjoyment. These games aren't for everyone. If you don't enjoy them that's fine, but it doesn't mean they suck or are repetitive.

Actually I played WOW to level 15, as a presit. Reason i stopped playing: my friend told me to get my own account because he felt i "tried" it enough and he wanted to play without me kicking him off. That essentially means I liked it a lot. So while I never had to "grind and farm" in the way that level 50+ers have to do, that doesn't mean I don't know what it means to "Grind and Farm", especially this this isn't my first MMORPG.
But when you DO get up there....that is really what the game becomes: do the instance fifteen times you finally get the bloody armor or whatever it is. Or spend hours upon hours farming an area in an attempt to get 20 of X just to make 1 of Y.

I KNOW that is the part of the game: things cannot be handed out and if you want the uber stuff you have to work for it...but I wish there could be a better way.

Then again this is why I always love to play as healing preists The game becomes a little different for me when the main aim is to heal others rather than kill things~ That is where i get my enjoment

and for the record, i will buy wow...after this quarter is over because I don't want to fail my classes (considering i started WOW three weeks before the lend of the last quarter and god addicted like crazy...although i'm slow at these games and it took me about 3 weeks to get to level 15...luckily it didn't hurt my grades but i can easily see it being an issue )

As for getting to level 60...when it happens to me I'll just stop and know i had a funy time playing Unless my friends still keep playing it in which the social aspect makes it more fun to kill things and chat. But even then it would still get slightly boring without constant conversation gonig (for me)

But seriously Gurk, to act like when you get up that high that grind and farm feeling never hits you....

I'm a HUGE cnosole RPG junkie...The kind of guy who will just sit there and farm enemies for hours on end just to gain a single level, or hope for a super rare encounter with a boss because I like it. And even though I do it, at times it is ridiculously boring....true in MMORPG you interact with others, whereas here i'm doing a SP game, but I just find it hard when you imply (maynot not on purpose) that the grind and farm feeling doesn't get you.

 

[TheVrolok]

Hit 60 a couple months ago and I've loved every minute since.

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: cherrytwist
I've been lvl 60 for about a month and I'm having a blast.

About 33% of the content (raid instances, etc.) you can't even do until you're lvl 60.

Oh, and I'm guilded and like to PVP occasionally (PVP server).

It's not for everybody, but there's plenty to do...

ONLY if you want to group constantly.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: magomago
grind grind grind farm farm farm!

Two sides of the same coin... if that's the way you see it, you may need a break from MMOGs - perhaps permanently. Go outside, play an FPS, whatever. Alternatively you can see it as an opportunity to socialize with your friends and/or guild and have a fun time with a shot at upgrading your character. Having the latter mindset leads to much more MMOG enjoyment. These games aren't for everyone. If you don't enjoy them that's fine, but it doesn't mean they suck or are repetitive.

Actually I played WOW to level 15, as a presit. Reason i stopped playing: my friend told me to get my own account because he felt i "tried" it enough and he wanted to play without me kicking him off. That essentially means I liked it a lot. So while I never had to "grind and farm" in the way that level 50+ers have to do, that doesn't mean I don't know what it means to "Grind and Farm", especially this this isn't my first MMORPG.
But when you DO get up there....that is really what the game becomes: do the instance fifteen times you finally get the bloody armor or whatever it is. Or spend hours upon hours farming an area in an attempt to get 20 of X just to make 1 of Y.

I KNOW that is the part of the game: things cannot be handed out and if you want the uber stuff you have to work for it...but I wish there could be a better way.

Then again this is why I always love to play as healing preists The game becomes a little different for me when the main aim is to heal others rather than kill things~ That is where i get my enjoment

and for the record, i will buy wow...after this quarter is over because I don't want to fail my classes (considering i started WOW three weeks before the lend of the last quarter and god addicted like crazy...although i'm slow at these games and it took me about 3 weeks to get to level 15...luckily it didn't hurt my grades but i can easily see it being an issue )

As for getting to level 60...when it happens to me I'll just stop and know i had a funy time playing Unless my friends still keep playing it in which the social aspect makes it more fun to kill things and chat. But even then it would still get slightly boring without constant conversation gonig (for me)

But seriously Gurk, to act like when you get up that high that grind and farm feeling never hits you....

I'm a HUGE cnosole RPG junkie...The kind of guy who will just sit there and farm enemies for hours on end just to gain a single level, or hope for a super rare encounter with a boss because I like it. And even though I do it, at times it is ridiculously boring....true in MMORPG you interact with others, whereas here i'm doing a SP game, but I just find it hard when you imply (maynot not on purpose) that the grind and farm feeling doesn't get you.

What exactly are you trying to say? That I'm lying and actually think of it as "grind grind grind, farm farm farm" ? Anything in life can have the repetition argument made against it, even sex (in, out, repeat) - if you don't like it. I happen to like mmorpgs, you seem not to. I'll reiterate - differences between people are wonderful things; if we were all the same life would be damn boring. If you don't like mmorpgs that's fine, but it doesn't mean they suck.

 

[TheVrolok]

I really don't understand why people decide to play MMO's (Mass MULTIPLAYER Online - in case anyone forgot) and then complain about being forced to play the game with others.

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: TheVrolok
I really don't understand why people decide to play MMO's (Mass MULTIPLAYER Online - in case anyone forgot) and then complain about being forced to play the game with others.

Because I like RPG games. That is it. Why should I be FORCED to group. If I want to occassionally fine. But required to in order to accomplish anything at high levels is just stupid.