History of the NSync, BSB, and 98 Degrees to prove you all wrong :)

[GoldenBear]

You said...

<< but for the stone cold fact that good looking, young men singing about girls is a hot thing at the moment and makes money. That's the real reason record companies/DJ's/TV stations are jumping all over these bands. They're all in it for a quick buck - that's the only name of their game. >>

Which insinuates that the only reason they do what they do is for a quick buck. You also have quite a negative tone which I would guess means that you don't really condone that kind of stuff. Therefore, anyone doing stuff for money must be EVIL~!

Or maybe I'm reading too much into it. I think you should rephrase it.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

I like it, so do MANY MANY MANY other people.

And this is basically your entire argument. Pathetic.

NM, warrants it's own post.

 

[snow patrol]

I'm not saying I don't condone it. The bands are getting what they want (fame, fortune etc.) and the record companies are getting what they want (money).

I was saying that the record company, not the band in question are in this solely for the money. I can appreciate that the band probably enjoy being pop stars and traveling the world (as well as the vast amounts of cashola they accumulate along the way )

Sorry if it didn't come across that way.

 

[Angrymarshmello]

Deeko - unless you have evidence to back that up, I can pull lies out of thin air too. Lou Pearlman was the man behind NSync, BSB, LFO, and now O-Town.

 

[Deeko]

Hehe, noone had anything to say about my reply because I was right and noone wanted to contest me

EDIT: while I was posting that, someone else said something I lose Until I reply and win again

 

[Deeko]

All record companies are that way. Except maybe Dre's. What's the big deal?

 

[AlphaIVT]

yo, Deeko, i stood by your side through all this, but you're getting out of hand man! I like the music, but not the band. hell, i barely know whos who.

 

[GoldenBear]

EngineNr9:

<< And this is basically your entire argument. Pathetic. >>

I suggest you reread what I said. You may exhibit a new experience of learning.

snow patrol
<< I was saying that the record company, not the band in question are in this solely for the money. >>

I see. Explain to me how that is wrong in any way. We live in a capilistic world, we should live capitalistically (?)

And you don't think these companies have any regard either? If you were responsible for these guys, wouldn't you be proud that you helped change the lives of a dozen men (which you are right in this case that they guy in question isn't exactly the most kind guy out there)

 

[Deeko]

<< Deeko - unless you have evidence to back that up, I can pull lies out of thin air too. Lou Pearlman was the man behind NSync, BSB, LFO, and now O-Town. >>


Hmm...what do you want me to do, go call up one of them and record the conversation? I know what I'm talking about. They started the group themselves. Lou heard them, and took them aboard. He helped them get to the top, but he DID NOT create them. Yes he did create LFO, and I've honestly not heard anything about O-Town. Not on any of my DJing Promo CDs.

 

[Deeko]

<< yo, Deeko, i stood by your side through all this, but you're getting out of hand man! I like the music, but not the band. hell, i barely know whos who. >>


I know alot about alot of groups. Not just them.

 

[snow patrol]

As I said, I'm not knocking the record company for wanting to make money. They're a business, and the goal of every business is to make as much money as possible.

I'm merely stating that they're latching onto what's popular these days in order to make their cash. And what's popular are young attractive guys who can dance and sing a bit, but who don't necessarily produce very inventive or exciting music.

In today's pop music scene, the music plays second fiddle to image.

That's about as concise as I can go.

 

[AlphaIVT]

k, i got the impression you were a teenage girl there j/k.

 

[Deeko]

lol....well fellers, I'm goin to bed. I'm sure I'll have plenty to respond to tomorrow after school

 

[PistachioByAzul]

I should also point out that most of these &quot;MANY MANY MANY&quot; other people are pre-pubescent girls. Tell me, do you have posters of Leonardo DiCaprio all over your wall?

BTW, where did hear that 98 Degree's (steaming hot crap) write's their own music, Tiger Beat?

 

[snow patrol]

Remember, this isn't an argument about the rights and wrongs of the record company. It's an argument about the musical talent (or lack of...) that these boy bands possess.

 

[GoldenBear]

<< They're a business, and the goal of every business is to make as much money as possible. >>

Correct my fellow snowman.

<< I'm merely stating that they're latching onto what's popular these days in order to make their cash. >>

I still don't see what's wrong here. They're doing smart business, are you complaining?

<< but who don't necessarily produce very inventive or exciting music. >>

And..Are you expecting music whose lyrics make you cahnge your views about life completely?

It's music..short 4-5 minute songs that help you past the time or aid you when doing stuff.

<< In today's pop music scene, the music plays second fiddle to image. >>

I like the music, I don't care what they look like.

 

[GoldenBear]

<< It's an argument about the musical talent (or lack of...) that these boy bands possess >>

Oh I see now..Your other statements suggested otherwise.

If you're trying to say they have no talent, then I must say I have to differ.

I can't imagine you've ever tried to record your own songs to send off the record companies have you? If you haven't, then you really should try and see what it takes. I also can't imagine you've tried writing music either.

I must say your concept of trashing and saying things don't require any talent without ever experiencing yourself is quite a unique one.

EngineNr9

<< I should also point out that most of these &quot;MANY MANY MANY&quot; other people are pre-pubescent girls. >>

Direct-targeting, another great concept. Damn those companies for actually having an audience to buy their records.

<< Tell me, do you have posters of Leonardo DiCaprio all over your wall? >>

No I don't.

Personal attacks do little but to hurt your own argument.

<< BTW, where did hear that 98 Degree's (steaming hot crap) write's their own music, Tiger Beat? >>

Improper grammar and childish insults also don't help your argument much either..but whatever.

And on their CD labels it clearly marks that they write their own music. It's a fact, please don't try to argue it unless your name starts with G, is three letters long and rhymes with POD.

 

[snow patrol]

Arrrghhh

You're misunderstanding what I'm saying. The record company aren't in the wrong at all. I'm saying that they're giving these bands huge contracts and recording deals because they know that lots of people will go for the image that the band puts across. Even though the given band's music is not very original or exciting - and has pretty much nothing to set it aside from the hoards of other boy bands out there (they all sound the same, face it).

You should also face the fact that the image of the band in this particular field of pop is more important than the music. If the backstreet boys were a bunch of middle-aged men with bad hair and terrible fashion sense, they'd immediately lose 90% of their fan base.

 

[snow patrol]

GoldenBear - in actual fact, I am a guitarist in an indy rock alternative band who have a CD out, and have just signed to an indie label. We write our own songs, and have played numerous gigs.

We're (the 4 guys in my group) not particularly stylish or spectacularly good looking guys, so we have to rely on the quality of our songs to get us shows and record contracts. If we did music in the style of the back-street boys, we'd get nowhere, precisely because we don't have the teen-pop good looking boy next door image that they do.

i.e. they're all image, and very little substance.

 

[GoldenBear]

I see your point now..I think. But what you're trying to say is that you could gather five good-looking guys, give them a name, and BAM, you've just created five millionaires. You're just overshadowing their talent for whatever reason. The same girls you refer make up a good audience of groups like Savage Garden, the Spice GIRLS, Celine Dion, (all of who write their own music as well I might add) etc..Believe it or not there's more to it than just looks..

And you being a muscician and all, I would imagine you'd know more than anything else writing songs aren't the easiest things to write. Why do you detest their abilities to do so?

 

[PistachioByAzul]

Improper grammar and childish insults also don't help your argument much either..but whatever.

If you want to play that game...

You may exhibit a new experience of learning.

What the heck is that supposed to mean?

 

[PistachioByAzul]

<< Now I realize how they do suck and don't have a whole ton of musical talent.>>

I beg to differ. There are millions out there that will attest to that statement.

Misuse of the word &quot;attest&quot;. Improper grammar doesn't help your argument much.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

<< I should also point out that most of these &quot;MANY MANY MANY&quot; other people are pre-pubescent girls. >>

Direct-targeting, another great concept. Damn those companies for actually having an audience to buy their records.

You miss the point. You say that these groups are good because they are very popular. Since when do pre-teen girls have good taste? More over, why do you listen to the same manufactured music they do?

And you being a muscician and all, I would imagine you'd know more than anything else writing songs aren't the easiest things to write. Why do you detest their abilities to do so?

If you actually look at their lyrics, you'll see that there's absolutely nothing unique about them. Same things getting repeated over and over in the different songs, and in different groups. Who in their right mind would want to take credit for these crappy lyrics?

 

[kami]

This is stupid...

c'mon guys. You either like the boy bands or you don't. Why can't we leave it at that?

personally, I think it's all a steaming pile of feces, but eh....to each his own. :disgust:

 

[poop]

They are not manufactured.

That is actually a myth. Though they DO write 1/2 of their own songs, they are the B-sides on every album. All of the singles are made by pop music writers. There is this swedish guy that has written the last top hits for Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, NSync, and BSB. They are merely puppets, and I do beileve they realize this. They have some singing talent, and are able to cash in on the fact that Mtv can make them rich.

Do I think pop music sucks? Yes. Am I jealous of the millions they are making off of people who don't appreciate real music? Yes. Do I rant? Maybe just a bit.