Hispanic growth extends eastward

[JD50]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
@ 1EZduzit

That is a definite possibility.

In the U.S., Hispanics are already outnumbering Blacks as a minority. Given enough numbers, they get enough political power to push for changes agreeable to them; sooner or later another Che Guevara will rise, using democratic means to gain additional rights, with the dream to unite a single Mestizo population from Tierra del Fuego to the Great Lakes.

In the end, it was the Spanish and the Portuguese who discovered and first colonized this continent, so who's to say this isn't the right direction for the wheels of history?

Don't be so quick to pass judgement on which way the wheels of history may be pointing. Hispanics are finding that their usual tactics aren't working because they have no claims, historic or otherwise to the territories they now want to expand to.

Yes, the Hispanic people have a long history of imperialism. You know the old saying, "The sun never sets on the Hispanic empire."

I guess you just forgot that Hispania was the name given by the Romans to the whole of the Iberian Peninsula (modern Portugal, Spain, Andorra, and Gibraltar). That's a long ways away from the Northern Plains where I live.


Despite what you (and others) are trying to infer, Mexico is ruled by Hispanics, is it not? If Hispanics want to fight for what they think is theirs, then thier battle is with them, not us. The truth is Hispanics want what we have and see us as an easier target then the a-holes who run Mexico so they sneak into OUR country and try to use OUR laws against US.

If immigrants want to come to the US legally, that's one thing but to sneak in and try to blackmail/intimidate us is another matter entirely.

Great post, I couldn't agree more.

 

[babylon5]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
@ 1EZduzit

That is a definite possibility.

In the U.S., Hispanics are already outnumbering Blacks as a minority. Given enough numbers, they get enough political power to push for changes agreeable to them; sooner or later another Che Guevara will rise, using democratic means to gain additional rights, with the dream to unite a single Mestizo population from Tierra del Fuego to the Great Lakes.

In the end, it was the Spanish and the Portuguese who discovered and first colonized this continent, so who's to say this isn't the right direction for the wheels of history?

Don't be so quick to pass judgement on which way the wheels of history may be pointing. Hispanics are finding that their usual tactics aren't working because they have no claims, historic or otherwise to the territories they now want to expand to.

Yes, the Hispanic people have a long history of imperialism. You know the old saying, "The sun never sets on the Hispanic empire."

I guess you just forgot that Hispania was the name given by the Romans to the whole of the Iberian Peninsula (modern Portugal, Spain, Andorra, and Gibraltar). That's a long ways away from the Northern Plains where I live.


Despite what you (and others) are trying to infer, Mexico is ruled by Hispanics, is it not? If Hispanics want to fight for what they think is theirs, then thier battle is with them, not us. The truth is Hispanics want what we have and see us as an easier target then the a-holes who run Mexico so they sneak into OUR country and try to use OUR laws against US.

If immigrants want to come to the US legally, that's one thing but to sneak in and try to blackmail/intimidate us is another matter entirely.

Truth.

 

[narutofan36]

Originally posted by: rpanic
Another thing I think that really pisses people off is this sense of entitlement.

Protesting in the streets wanting amnesty and not waiting like everyone else.
Getting instate tuition pricing when citizens from other states pay through the roof when they come to California. Welfare Benefits. Drivers license with no real documentation. And these are just a few things that just come to mind.

And they mostly work on a cash system which is not getting taxed. And I know people say ?well lets make them all legal then they will pay taxes? that doesn?t work because the last time we gave them amnesty all that did was send the message to flood the county and wait for the next one. Not to mention since the US immigration policy is based on family reunification instead of job need all of there family members could get in ahead of everyone too that didn?t make in time for the amnesty.

-priority for visas are given to educated people. There is no point in applying for a visa when you know you'll be turned down as many hispanics are uneducated.
-illegal immigrants do not qualify for many government assistant programs, this includes welfare.
-all immigrants provide an annual of over 300 billion dollars to the economy
-This also benefits us as goods are sold at lower prices

 

[marincounty]

I'm glad the illegals are coming to your states so you can enjoy all of the benefits that they have brought to California. You get to experience the results of the tough on crime federal border enforcement. All of you open border advocates will get to meet the friendly people who just came here to work. 😀

 

[Summitdrinker]

blah ba ya wa, ya na wa................................
we let germans into america, they were the unwanted....the results crime, drunks...bi gay peds.................oh ya they didn't want to learn english, almost made german our national lauguage, we almost was on germany's side in WW2 in the beginnig

now who elected bush jr as pres, as if that isn't part of the problem.....who can't pick a leader...................




ya it's the real america, but as usual whitey american's can take the truth

 

[rpanic]

Originally posted by: narutofan36

Originally posted by: rpanic
Another thing I think that really pisses people off is this sense of entitlement.

Protesting in the streets wanting amnesty and not waiting like everyone else.
Getting instate tuition pricing when citizens from other states pay through the roof when they come to California. Welfare Benefits. Drivers license with no real documentation. And these are just a few things that just come to mind.

And they mostly work on a cash system which is not getting taxed. And I know people say ?well lets make them all legal then they will pay taxes? that doesn?t work because the last time we gave them amnesty all that did was send the message to flood the county and wait for the next one. Not to mention since the US immigration policy is based on family reunification instead of job need all of there family members could get in ahead of everyone too that didn?t make in time for the amnesty.

-priority for visas are given to educated people. There is no point in applying for a visa when you know you'll be turned down as many hispanics are uneducated.
-illegal immigrants do not qualify for many government assistant programs, this includes welfare.
-all immigrants provide an annual of over 300 billion dollars to the economy
-This also benefits us as goods are sold at lower prices

-priority for visas are given to educated people. There is no point in applying for a visa when you know you'll be turned down as many hispanics are uneducated.
Is it our fault they are uneducated, what is your point we already know they are coming illegally?

-illegal immigrants do not qualify for many government assistant programs, this includes welfare.
Sure they do once they pop out the anchor baby.

-all immigrants provide an annual of over 300 billion dollars to the economy
Are we talking all legal immigrants or illegals? There is no way in hell illegals are contributing 300 Billion. They are paid in cash most of the time. And any amount they may contribute I am sure doesn?t come close to the amount of services they use.

 

[Summitdrinker]

also something bunkerhead american's don't get, german's never had a world empire or amounted to anything in the big picture since the roman's so they fleed to america, then thought they could finally have there world empire thru numbers............they almost pulled it off

were roman's mostly gay bi?

oh hey, I know these posts will piss off people, but the real truth hurts.......sorry

 

[Summitdrinker]

hey also don't take these post as anti gay as they appear

I believe in gay rights to a point

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel
Well the last comment was funny, but it didn't really make up for the inane first two shots. Is that really the best you can do after this long?

I don't need to do anything, as you are like the Canadian fellow which also whines about racism, but surely has not witnessed the "positive" change brought by the influx of illegals.

Other than that, people don't like radical changes -- it's human nature -- deal with it.

Originally posted by: glutenberg
Most illegals are Mexican, therefore, if Mexican, assume illegal? Is that how logic works?

By your assumptions, yes. However, if you had taken logic 101, you might have reached another conclusion.

Originally posted by: Rainsford
And hardly five minutes can go by in a discussion of border security before someone suggests, as if it where a joke, that we should set up border defenses that kill or maim people trying to cross. Tell me again why my "Klan" comparison was off-base...

Funny, it's the second time you've suggested I'm a klanner; I suppose you're still up on your pedestal.

As for border issues, there is a very simple solution: landmine the border; Mexico doesn't seem to want to stop this mass emigration, and in fact provides people with maps and other aids. Maybe they should focus on helping people live in their own country instead.

Originally posted by: rpanic
Another thing I think that really pisses people off is this sense of entitlement.

Damn right!

People here keep B.S.ing about how other groups had to deal with such "racism", but they at least entered the country legally.

There are a few more groups of illegals: Chinese, Russians, Indian/Pakistani, etc; have they went on any massive street protests lately?

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Harabec
I don't see the word "illegal" anywhere except for a single part that concerns a different matter.

So...are you scared of illegal immigrants or just...Hispanic immigrants?

He is scared of anyone that is not white.

 

[Rio Rebel]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel
Well the last comment was funny, but it didn't really make up for the inane first two shots. Is that really the best you can do after this long?

I don't need to do anything, as you are like the Canadian fellow which also whines about racism, but surely has not witnessed the "positive" change brought by the influx of illegals.

Other than that, people don't like radical changes -- it's human nature -- deal with it.

Originally posted by: glutenberg
Most illegals are Mexican, therefore, if Mexican, assume illegal? Is that how logic works?

By your assumptions, yes. However, if you had taken logic 101, you might have reached another conclusion.

You don't know me, my nationality, my family's nationality, or what I've "witnessed". How can you claim to tell me what I don't know?

I included the second comment about logic because it is pretty indicative of your inability to form coherent thoughts. You make an inane statement based on a logical fallacy, and then when called on it, you say "that's what YOU would assume". Huh?

 

[AnitaPeterson]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson

Originally posted by: Fern
^ Well then, that pretty much rules out the Portugese and Spanish. I'm unfamiliar with any Portugese colony here. The Spanish were basically drivern out. 😉

Fern

Are you playing here???

Yes 😀

And as far former colonial powers regaining control, I'd rather it be the Dutch. I'd be much happier if had an *Amsterdam* here. I hate international flights. 🙂

Fern

1) well, why don't you say so!??
2) So do I, for that matter 😛

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Illegals don't kill people. People kill people.

It's just a whole lot easier to do it and get away with it when:

The government doesn't know you exist nor has any information about you.

You're poor to begin with and don't have much to lose.

You have family waiting for you at home right across the border.

You've been using another person's stolen identity.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: senseamp

Illegals don't kill people. People kill people.

It's just a whole lot easier to do it and get away with it when:

The government doesn't know you exist nor has any information about you.

You're poor to begin with and don't have much to lose.

You have family waiting for you at home right across the border.

You've been using another person's stolen identity.

In addition to:

- When you come from a third world society where human rights are foreign.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel
Well the last comment was funny, but it didn't really make up for the inane first two shots. Is that really the best you can do after this long?

I don't need to do anything, as you are like the Canadian fellow which also whines about racism, but surely has not witnessed the "positive" change brought by the influx of illegals.

Other than that, people don't like radical changes -- it's human nature -- deal with it.

Originally posted by: glutenberg
Most illegals are Mexican, therefore, if Mexican, assume illegal? Is that how logic works?

By your assumptions, yes. However, if you had taken logic 101, you might have reached another conclusion.

Originally posted by: Rainsford
And hardly five minutes can go by in a discussion of border security before someone suggests, as if it where a joke, that we should set up border defenses that kill or maim people trying to cross. Tell me again why my "Klan" comparison was off-base...

Funny, it's the second time you've suggested I'm a klanner; I suppose you're still up on your pedestal.

As for border issues, there is a very simple solution: landmine the border; Mexico doesn't seem to want to stop this mass emigration, and in fact provides people with maps and other aids. Maybe they should focus on helping people live in their own country instead.

Originally posted by: rpanic
Another thing I think that really pisses people off is this sense of entitlement.

Damn right!

People here keep B.S.ing about how other groups had to deal with such "racism", but they at least entered the country legally.

There are a few more groups of illegals: Chinese, Russians, Indian/Pakistani, etc; have they went on any massive street protests lately?

Please don't pretend that your logic equals my logic. My statement demonstrates your logic. My logic does not include random incorrect reversals as yours does.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel
You don't know me, my nationality, my family's nationality, or what I've "witnessed". How can you claim to tell me what I don't know?

That's right, for all I know you could be a hermit atop the Himalayas looking for an oppurtunity to flex his P.C. muscle (no pun intended), while lacking any knowledge regarding the matter.

At least the Canadian fella says he's from Canada.

Originally posted by: glutenberg
Please don't pretend that your logic equals my logic. My statement demonstrates your logic. My logic does not include random incorrect reversals as yours does.

You have no logic -- you merley post rhetorical questions in an attempt to attribute statements to others.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: dna
...

Originally posted by: Rainsford
And hardly five minutes can go by in a discussion of border security before someone suggests, as if it where a joke, that we should set up border defenses that kill or maim people trying to cross. Tell me again why my "Klan" comparison was off-base...

Funny, it's the second time you've suggested I'm a klanner; I suppose you're still up on your pedestal.

As for border issues, there is a very simple solution: landmine the border; Mexico doesn't seem to want to stop this mass emigration, and in fact provides people with maps and other aids. Maybe they should focus on helping people live in their own country instead.
...

Pay closer attention, I am NOT suggesting you are a Klanner...I'm suggesting your behavior and world view is very much along the same lines. You are extremely opposed to people who are different, probably even violently opposed, if your "land mine" comment is anything to go by. Like I said, I'm fine discussing illegal immigration, but that's clearly not your objection here...your "problem" is that there are more Mexicans in this country than there used to be.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: senseamp

Illegals don't kill people. People kill people.

It's just a whole lot easier to do it and get away with it when:

The government doesn't know you exist nor has any information about you.

You're poor to begin with and don't have much to lose.

You have family waiting for you at home right across the border.

You've been using another person's stolen identity.

That is an argument FOR "amnesty" and more open immigration.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Pay closer attention, I am NOT suggesting you are a Klanner...I'm suggesting your behavior and world view is very much along the same lines. You are extremely opposed to people who are different, probably even violently opposed, if your "land mine" comment is anything to go by. Like I said, I'm fine discussing illegal immigration, but that's clearly not your objection here...your "problem" is that there are more Mexicans in this country than there used to be.

Don't patronize me laddie -- I'm opposed to people breaking the law by entering illegally, and then breaking the law a few more times doing various schemese, and to cap it off they throw a street protest and make demands.

I see you also have a problem with the idea that a border is a border, period. Unless, of course, you're one of those open borders advocate.

My landmine remark goes in line with the above, and I'm surprised you didn't make the extra effort and the leap of logic to equate it to a "final solution", after all, you have all the ingredients there -- the very same you've used to concoct the klanner analogy.

 

[rpanic]

To: Rainsford

I was looking at the Census for 2000 for your state you are so insulated from this topic. Your whole state comes up to 4.3% or 227,196 Hispanics (Census Does not say Legal or Illegal). That is nothing; we have more Illegals coming into California than Legal and Illegal Hispanics in your whole state in one year. You cannot fathom what the border states are dealing with Rainsford. When you see these protests on the news you are just seeing the very tip of a HUGE iceberg. For that matter we have more people celebrating Cinco De Mayo in the streets of LA every year than the whole Hispanic population of your state.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: rpanic
To: Rainsford

I was looking at the Census for 2000 for your state you are so insulated from this topic. Your whole state comes up to 4.3% or 227,196 Hispanics (Census Does not say Legal or Illegal). That is nothing; we have more Illegals coming into California than Legal and Illegal Hispanics in your whole state in one year. You cannot fathom what the border states are dealing with Rainsford. When you see these protests on the news you are just seeing the very tip of a HUGE iceberg. For that matter we have more people celebrating Cinco De Mayo in the streets of LA every year than the whole Hispanic population of your state.

Very clever...but what your mad intelligence gathering skills might not have revealed is that, before I moved to Maryland (about 2 years ago) I spent a significant amount of time living and working in California, north of San Francisco in Sonoma county. While you're right about Maryland not exactly being a haven for Hispanics, where I lived in California definitely was...especially as that area is wine country, and a LOT of illegal aliens and legal immigrants lived there and worked on the surrounding farms and vineyards.

And you know what? If anything, living there made me care even less about the influx of Hispanic immigrants, legal or otherwise. They aren't invaders or the ridiculous villains portrayed in the conservative press, hellbent on destroying America. Most of them seem to want pretty much the same things the rest of us do, and while I think more of them should probably learn English, if only to expand their own opportunities, I don't understand why people get so worked up about that. And I personally LIKED the fact that that area offered some cultural variety...I don't see what the big deal is.

And in all seriousness, I'm sick and tired of this "you just don't know what you're talking about" bullshit. Don't assume everyone has the same closeminded reaction to things that you do.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Pay closer attention, I am NOT suggesting you are a Klanner...I'm suggesting your behavior and world view is very much along the same lines. You are extremely opposed to people who are different, probably even violently opposed, if your "land mine" comment is anything to go by. Like I said, I'm fine discussing illegal immigration, but that's clearly not your objection here...your "problem" is that there are more Mexicans in this country than there used to be.

Don't patronize me laddie -- I'm opposed to people breaking the law by entering illegally, and then breaking the law a few more times doing various schemese, and to cap it off they throw a street protest and make demands.

I see you also have a problem with the idea that a border is a border, period. Unless, of course, you're one of those open borders advocate.

My landmine remark goes in line with the above, and I'm surprised you didn't make the extra effort and the leap of logic to equate it to a "final solution", after all, you have all the ingredients there -- the very same you've used to concoct the klanner analogy.

No, I think I will patronize you, if you don't mind...if only because I think you're pretty full of shit. I don't believe I've said anything about my views on borders or illegal immigration, I'm just pointing out that it doesn't take too long for any discussion of illegal immigration to turn to "those damn Mexicans". And discussions of illegal immigration, legal immigration, and shifting demographics seem to be strangely co-mingled when you claim to just care about the evilness of breaking immigration laws. Illegal immigration, for a lot of you at least, is just cheap political cover, because the days of openly being racist are long gone. Sort of like how discussions of "law and order" in the bad old days were cover for cracking down on black people who were getting too uppity.

 

[PieIsAwesome]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: senseamp

Illegals don't kill people. People kill people.

It's just a whole lot easier to do it and get away with it when:

The government doesn't know you exist nor has any information about you.

You're poor to begin with and don't have much to lose.

You have family waiting for you at home right across the border.

You've been using another person's stolen identity.

In addition to:

- When you come from a third world society where human rights are foreign.

WTF, where did that come from? My parents come from what you're calling a third world society and human rights definitely aren't foreign to them. Where do you get crap like that?

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: senseamp

Illegals don't kill people. People kill people.

It's just a whole lot easier to do it and get away with it when:

The government doesn't know you exist nor has any information about you.

You're poor to begin with and don't have much to lose.

You have family waiting for you at home right across the border.

You've been using another person's stolen identity.

In addition to:

- When you come from a third world society where human rights are foreign.

<sarcasm>

Well it's obvious that these folks from third world nations are the ones responsible for warrant-less wiretaps on US citizens, expanding the power of the Federal government to detain and hold people without a trial, FBI no-fly/no-loan lists of Anti-Iraq War protesters, Guantanamo Bay, etc....

</sarcasm>

You really need to make sure and wipe behind there before you pull this type of statement out and post it because it stinks to high heaven.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: dna
...

Originally posted by: Rainsford
And hardly five minutes can go by in a discussion of border security before someone suggests, as if it where a joke, that we should set up border defenses that kill or maim people trying to cross. Tell me again why my "Klan" comparison was off-base...

Funny, it's the second time you've suggested I'm a klanner; I suppose you're still up on your pedestal.

As for border issues, there is a very simple solution: landmine the border; Mexico doesn't seem to want to stop this mass emigration, and in fact provides people with maps and other aids. Maybe they should focus on helping people live in their own country instead.
...

Pay closer attention, I am NOT suggesting you are a Klanner...I'm suggesting your behavior and world view is very much along the same lines. You are extremely opposed to people who are different, probably even violently opposed, if your "land mine" comment is anything to go by. Like I said, I'm fine discussing illegal immigration, but that's clearly not your objection here...your "problem" is that there are more Mexicans in this country than there used to be.

Yeah and the real growth in the Hispanic population is the 20 million more illegals that have snuck in. That's a problem that needs addressed. No if, ands, or buts about it.

In the first place what do we do with the 20 million illegals? We gave them amnesty last time and that only seems to have made the problem worse. In fact we have more illegal immigratans coming to this country then we do legal immigrants, a trend that has held steady since the 1990's. How does it help this country's true "cultural diverisity" when 57% of these illegals come from Mexico and another 24% from other Latin American countries? It seems we are shortchanging the rest of the world to let Hispanics in but you claim to like cultural diversity? Expalin that one to me please.

That's why I support a fence and stronger border security. Once we have that in place then we can discuss how to handle the illegals we currently have, but not until then.