Hispanic growth extends eastward

[Socio]

Hispanic growth extends eastward

Rapidly growing numbers of Hispanics are fanning out across the eastern half of the United States and settling in rural and suburban counties far from traditional immigrant strongholds, according to census numbers released today.

The increases in areas that experienced little diversity until this decade intensify the uproar over immigration. Forty-one states have enacted 171 laws this year aimed at illegal immigrants. About 100 communities have proposed similar ordinances; 40 have been enacted.

?We?re seeing new immigrant minorities coming in to areas that haven?t had very much minority populations or immigrant populations,? says William Frey, demographer at the Brookings Institution. ?It put immigration on the front burner politically. It scared a lot of people.?

The number of Hispanics has soared since 2000 in counties such as Paulding near Atlanta, Kendall on the western edge of Chicago and Stafford, Prince William and Loudoun in Virginia, outside Washington.

The high birthrate among Hispanics accounted for more than half the growth this decade, according to Kenneth Johnson, demographer at University of New Hampshire?s Carsey Institute.

It seems the eastern states are finally getting a taste of immigration problems the southwestern states have been drowning in for a long time.

 

[fskimospy]

Alternate headline: "Racists in new areas given opportunity to shine"

 

[xochi]

I've lived in Texas for 39 years and never viewed it as a problem.

 

[Harabec]

I don't see the word "illegal" anywhere except for a single part that concerns a different matter.

So...are you scared of illegal immigrants or just...Hispanic immigrants?

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Alternate headline: "Racists in new areas given opportunity to shine"

Thanks for trolling. I, and most of my extended family, live in one of the named eastern counties mentioned above. By blood and marriage, we span all the major ethnic groups - Caucasian, African, Asian, and Hispanic, so play your race card elsewhere - and we're concerned about the changes in our community. The budgetary pressure on the county has been tremendous in the last several years, and crime and the proliferation of gangs have increased as well. Are people racist for not wanting to get mugged walking down their street? My sister-in-law is a Honduran who came here in the 80's LEGALLY and learned English, and she opposes the proliferation of illegals. Is she a racist? Dumbasses like you who play the race card at the drop of a hat are only making this problem worse, and fueling the rhetoric of real racists.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Alternate headline: "Racists in new areas given opportunity to shine"

Alternate headline: "Illegally imported third world values become the majority, Americans wonder where their freedoms have gone".

If you want to see the likes of Chavez rule this nation, keep it up. There will be such a person here who came from there. These people came here for our wealth, not to adopt our values or our culture. They supplant both.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Harabec
I don't see the word "illegal" anywhere except for a single part that concerns a different matter.

So...are you scared of illegal immigrants or just...Hispanic immigrants?

I think people are scared for both reasons. I've never meet a legal immigrant who didn't want to bring as much of their family here as they can. In the case of hispanics they have both motive and opportunity to bring family here illegally. We need an easy way to tell who is here legally and who isn't.

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: Socio
Hispanic growth extends eastward

The number of Hispanics has soared since 2000 in counties such as Paulding near Atlanta, Kendall on the western edge of Chicago and Stafford, Prince William and Loudoun in Virginia, outside Washington.

The high birthrate among Hispanics accounted for more than half the growth this decade, according to Kenneth Johnson, demographer at University of New Hampshire?s Carsey Institute.

It seems the eastern states are finally getting a taste of immigration problems the southwestern states have been drowning in for a long time.

Oh boo hoo, Americans want their cheap labor, for the jobs that they won't do because they themselves won't pay what an American wants to get, well guess what now everybody gets to pay and pay we will.

As for the high birthrate you can look at it in one of two ways, God's judgement against planned parenthood and family planning, or evolution in action, those that reproduce displacing those that won't.😉

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Alternate headline: "Racists in new areas given opportunity to shine"

Thanks for trolling. I, and most of my extended family, live in one of the named eastern counties mentioned above. By blood and marriage, we span all the major ethnic groups - Caucasian, African, Asian, and Hispanic, so play your race card elsewhere - and we're concerned about the changes in our community. The budgetary pressure on the county has been tremendous in the last several years, and crime and the proliferation of gangs have increased as well. Are people racist for not wanting to get mugged walking down their street? My sister-in-law is a Honduran who came here in the 80's LEGALLY and learned English, and she opposes the proliferation of illegals. Is she a racist? Dumbasses like you who play the race card at the drop of a hat are only making this problem worse, and fueling the rhetoric of real racists.

As mentioned, there is nothing in the article that mentions that these hispanics are illegal. Are you trying to imply that Hispanic American citizens are more likely to mug you then your local neighborhood vanilla face? Why does it matter what ethnicity your family is? Are you somehow thinking that mixed ethnicities can't be racist?

I'm guessing you didn't actually read the article very closely and realize that people in it were just complaining that Hispanics were moving into their town. Or do you conflate Hispanics with being illegal immigrants?

Regardless, I don't want to get into another immigration debate here... the ancestors of previous generations of American xenophobes seem to be alive and well, and since nobody has been able to stamp it out of our country in more then 200 years I somehow doubt that I'm going to do it here. Enjoy your fear of those different then you.

 

[brandonb]

I'm sorry to say eskimospy, that the white culture has alot to fear. Every single day, in places like St. Cloud Minnesota, I hear white grandparents trying to talk to their 8 year old grandchildren in Spanish. They feel it necessary to teach this to their white grandchildren because they realize that the hispanics aren't going to adopt the white cultulre. It's going to be us, the white people, who have been here and established the culture that will be changing for them.

If I was going to move to Germany, do you think I should be the one learning German, or do you think the German people there should adapt to me and start learning English?

If I went there and expected them to start learning English, don't you think they'd be a bit upset as I am corrupting the established culture in that area? So does that mean they are racist, or that I am?

 

[xochi]

Originally posted by: brandonb
I'm sorry to say eskimospy, that the white culture has alot to fear. Every single day, in places like St. Cloud Minnesota, I hear white grandparents trying to talk to their 8 year old grandchildren in Spanish. They feel it necessary to teach this to their white grandchildren because they realize that the hispanics aren't going to adopt the white cultulre. It's going to be us, the white people, who have been here and established the culture that will be changing for them.

If I was going to move to Germany, do you think I should be the one learning German, or do you think the German people there should adapt to me and start learning English?

If I went there and expected them to start learning English, don't you think they'd be a bit upset as I am corrupting the established culture in that area? So does that mean they are racist, or that I am?

What exactly is differnet in Hispanic Culture that is not in "white culture"? i thought they were pretty much the same, with the exception of better food. 😀

 

[HombrePequeno]

Originally posted by: brandonb
I'm sorry to say eskimospy, that the white culture has alot to fear. Every single day, in places like St. Cloud Minnesota, I hear white grandparents trying to talk to their 8 year old grandchildren in Spanish. They feel it necessary to teach this to their white grandchildren because they realize that the hispanics aren't going to adopt the white cultulre. It's going to be us, the white people, who have been here and established the culture that will be changing for them.

If I was going to move to Germany, do you think I should be the one learning German, or do you think the German people there should adapt to me and start learning English?

If I went there and expected them to start learning English, don't you think they'd be a bit upset as I am corrupting the established culture in that area? So does that mean they are racist, or that I am?

From what I recall reading, Hispanics are adapting at the same speed as any other immigrants. My friends mother who's Japanese for instance barely speaks English even though she's been here for almost 20 years. First generation immigrants always have problems adapting. It's their children that are the ones who adapt.

Oh and I don't think you'd have many problems sticking to English in Germany. The vast majority of Germans speak English. It'd be a little harder if you were in Kreuzberg or smaller towns though.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: HombrePequeno

Originally posted by: brandonb
I'm sorry to say eskimospy, that the white culture has alot to fear. Every single day, in places like St. Cloud Minnesota, I hear white grandparents trying to talk to their 8 year old grandchildren in Spanish. They feel it necessary to teach this to their white grandchildren because they realize that the hispanics aren't going to adopt the white cultulre. It's going to be us, the white people, who have been here and established the culture that will be changing for them.

If I was going to move to Germany, do you think I should be the one learning German, or do you think the German people there should adapt to me and start learning English?

If I went there and expected them to start learning English, don't you think they'd be a bit upset as I am corrupting the established culture in that area? So does that mean they are racist, or that I am?

From what I recall reading, Hispanics are adapting at the same speed as any other immigrants. My friends mother who's Japanese for instance barely speaks English even though she's been here for almost 20 years. First generation immigrants always have problems adapting. It's their children that are the ones who adapt.

Oh and I don't think you'd have many problems sticking to English in Germany. The vast majority of Germans speak English. It'd be a little harder if you were in Kreuzberg or smaller towns though.

There has been a substantial hispanic population in the DC metro area for a long time. One of my best friends in high school was Bolivian by birth and he was treated no differently than anyone else and this was in the early 1970's. The only 2 differences I can think of between then and now are that they were mostly from South America, not Central America and Mexico and they were here legally as opposed to illegally.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: HombrePequeno

Originally posted by: brandonb
I'm sorry to say eskimospy, that the white culture has alot to fear. Every single day, in places like St. Cloud Minnesota, I hear white grandparents trying to talk to their 8 year old grandchildren in Spanish. They feel it necessary to teach this to their white grandchildren because they realize that the hispanics aren't going to adopt the white cultulre. It's going to be us, the white people, who have been here and established the culture that will be changing for them.

If I was going to move to Germany, do you think I should be the one learning German, or do you think the German people there should adapt to me and start learning English?

If I went there and expected them to start learning English, don't you think they'd be a bit upset as I am corrupting the established culture in that area? So does that mean they are racist, or that I am?

From what I recall reading, Hispanics are adapting at the same speed as any other immigrants. My friends mother who's Japanese for instance barely speaks English even though she's been here for almost 20 years. First generation immigrants always have problems adapting. It's their children that are the ones who adapt.

Oh and I don't think you'd have many problems sticking to English in Germany. The vast majority of Germans speak English. It'd be a little harder if you were in Kreuzberg or smaller towns though.

This is accurate. Actually from the research I've read Mexican immigrants seem to be assimilating slightly slower then immigrants of other nationalities, but it's within the statistical margin of error so you could essentially say the meaningful difference is zero. I've posted this before in other threads, and I don't feel like looking up the study again (since nobody seems to listen anyway) but by the third generation in America the overwhelming majority of mexican immigrants, regardless of legal status of their parents, speak either english as their primary language or (more often) speak only english.

This is completely in line with historical norms, and the same argument was made against the German immigrants in the 1700's, the Asian immigrants in the 1800's, which both ended up being completely false and xenophobic hysteria.

 

[theeedude]

Sounds like a good thing if these guys have kids who grow up and vote Democrat. Am I missing something?

 

[JeepinEd]

The mindset of Hispanics entering this country now is very different from 30 years ago.
It used to be that they wanted to be Americans. They were following the American dream.
The majority of them would come in and assimilate with our culture.

Now, they enter this country with an entitlement mentality. Whether legal or illegal, they expect the U.S. to assimilate to them.
There are Hispanic students in my son's school, who speak no English. Their parents are demanding Spanish speaking teachers to teach them in Spanish. There is no interest in learning English. There doesn't seem to be much of an emphasis on education, which is really sad. Other cultures are still assimilating and looking to get ahead in life here. Just google test scores between Asian immigrants and Hispanic immigrants. They don't come here demanding to be taught in their language.

This country is supposed to be a melting pot of cultures. When one culture starts to take over, you eliminate diversity.
We've always had illegal immigration, but the number of people entering this country illegally has exploded over the past several years. According to the Center for Immigration Studies, the estimated illegal population in 1990 was 3.5 million. In 2000, the estimated illegal population was 7 million (these are very conservative numbers). I'm sure it is way beyond that now.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: JeepinEd
The mindset of Hispanics entering this country now is very different from 30 years ago.
It used to be that they wanted to be Americans. They were following the American dream.
The majority of them would come in and assimilate with our culture.

Now, they enter this country with an entitlement mentality. Whether legal or illegal, they expect the U.S. to assimilate to them.
There are Hispanic students in my son's school, who speak no English. Their parents are demanding Spanish speaking teachers to teach them in Spanish. There is no interest in learning English. There doesn't seem to be much of an emphasis on education, which is really sad. Other cultures are still assimilating and looking to get ahead in life here. Just google test scores between Asian immigrants and Hispanic immigrants. They don't come here demanding to be taught in their language.

This country is supposed to be a melting pot of cultures. When one culture starts to take over, you eliminate diversity.
We've always had illegal immigration, but the number of people entering this country illegally has exploded over the past several years. According to the Center for Immigration Studies, the estimated illegal population in 1990 was 3.5 million. In 2000, the estimated illegal population was 7 million (these are very conservative numbers). I'm sure it is way beyond that now.

Unfortunately there is no evidence to back up what you are saying. Rates of English assimilation have not changed in recent years as you would seem to suggest they should have. Not only that, but the immigration levels we are seeing now aren't even as high as they have been in the past. If you look at the early 20th century you would see that there was actually a higher proportion of immigration compared to the size of the US population then there are.

In addition you are trying to compare Asians and Hispanics' test scores as a measure of assimilation. If you're going to do that, then why not include the test scores from African Americans, Native Americans, and other minorities that share many of the socioeconomic traits of Hispanics? Are they not assimilating either? Is that a function of African American or native american immigration? Likely not.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Sounds like a good thing if these guys have kids who grow up and vote Democrat. Am I missing something?

I think the demographic shift in this nation is a direct result of our out of control immigration and our complete lack of immigration enforcement.

Let?s see from today?s headlines:

Exhibit A

Exhibit B

Exhibit C

How many more people on our soil are going to be raped and killed before we control our immigration and impress upon everyone that unless you uphold American laws/ideals you are not welcome here?

MILWAUKIE, Ore. - Two suspects charged with aggravated murder in the killing of a Texas teen admitted they came to the United States illegally.

Police said 15-year-old Dani Countryman was trying to fight off Alejandro Rivera Gamboa and his cousin, 23-year-old cousin Gilberto Javier Rivera Gamboa when they strangled her at a Milwaukie apartment in late July.

NEWARK, N.J. -- An illegal immigrant accused in the execution-style deaths of three students pleaded not guilty to the crimes Friday.

Jose Carranza, 28, of Peru, surrendered directly to Newark, N.J., Mayor Cory Booker Thursday, and was arraigned Friday morning.

LOS ANGELES - Nine Guatemalans were indicted for their roles in an alleged sex trafficking ring that lured young women to the United States with promises of good jobs and then forced them into prostitution, according to federal court records.

 

[Rio Rebel]

How many more people on our soil are going to be raped and killed before we control our immigration and impress upon everyone that unless you uphold American laws/ideals you are not welcome here?

Give us your poor, your tired, your hungry...

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: JeepinEd
The mindset of Hispanics entering this country now is very different from 30 years ago.
It used to be that they wanted to be Americans. They were following the American dream.
The majority of them would come in and assimilate with our culture.

Now, they enter this country with an entitlement mentality. Whether legal or illegal, they expect the U.S. to assimilate to them.
There are Hispanic students in my son's school, who speak no English. Their parents are demanding Spanish speaking teachers to teach them in Spanish. There is no interest in learning English. There doesn't seem to be much of an emphasis on education, which is really sad. Other cultures are still assimilating and looking to get ahead in life here. Just google test scores between Asian immigrants and Hispanic immigrants. They don't come here demanding to be taught in their language.

This country is supposed to be a melting pot of cultures. When one culture starts to take over, you eliminate diversity.
We've always had illegal immigration, but the number of people entering this country illegally has exploded over the past several years. According to the Center for Immigration Studies, the estimated illegal population in 1990 was 3.5 million. In 2000, the estimated illegal population was 7 million (these are very conservative numbers). I'm sure it is way beyond that now.

Asians have help from Asian speaking teachers. Most of my friends from Taiwan and China all have had help with translation. Add on the fact that in Taiwan and China, English is taught or encouraged to be learned as a second language so the background Asian immigrants have versus Hispanic immigrants have may be different. Tack on the fact that Taiwan is fairly modernized and the schooling is comparable to the US that the backbone of education is already there. Now, if you look at immigrants from Western China or immigrants from poorer portions of China, you will notice that they also come to the US without any ability to speak English. If they are younger, they will try to learn but the older generation are generally here to earn money and convert it back RMB so that they can retire in China. Not all people want to integrate and your Hispanic example isn't really different than any other culture.

It's nice to believe that Asians are some sort of perfect immigrant group but they have their fair share of problems. Asians are essentially the new Jews. A group of people used by the media as a "shining" example of how good immigrants integrate and thrive but it's just a tactic used to berate other minority classes. It not only attempts to diminish the value of another group but it creates tension between those minority classes. It's taken a long time for the Asian community to develop relations with the African American community because of all this stereotypical nonsense. Just one look at immigrants from poorer parts of Asia and you'll notice that it's not all sunshine and roses.

Eskimopy has already listed that the influx and integration rate hasn't been significantly different from any other group and you have to realize that each influx of immigrants goes through essentially the same ostracism during the initial influx. People can't handle change. People are irrational beings. People would be most happy living in their bubble of security but that's not how progress is made. Xenophobia is pretty much the norm and breaking that fear is essential for the melting pot ideal to function.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel

How many more people on our soil are going to be raped and killed before we control our immigration and impress upon everyone that unless you uphold American laws/ideals you are not welcome here?

Give us your poor, your tired, your hungry...

At reasonable rates, to allow assimilation. The current topic proves that it is us who are being assimilated not the immigrants. If we do not control immigration, we do not control the rate. If we do not control the rate, our ideals are lost.

 

[Rio Rebel]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel

How many more people on our soil are going to be raped and killed before we control our immigration and impress upon everyone that unless you uphold American laws/ideals you are not welcome here?

Give us your poor, your tired, your hungry...

At reasonable rates, to allow assimilation. The current topic proves that it is us who are being assimilated not the immigrants. If we do not control immigration, we do not control the rate. If we do not control the rate, our ideals are lost.

How can you so vehemently defend our ideals, yet be so utterly unfamiliar with them? The American ideal, more than any other, is the ASSIMILATION of multiple cultures and peoples into one society. When you demonize another group of people by listing individual crimes and associating it with the entire ethnic group, you aren't defending our ideals, you are BUTCHERING them.

It's really quite sad. And even more sad is that you are far from alone.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel

How many more people on our soil are going to be raped and killed before we control our immigration and impress upon everyone that unless you uphold American laws/ideals you are not welcome here?

Give us your poor, your tired, your hungry...

At reasonable rates, to allow assimilation. The current topic proves that it is us who are being assimilated not the immigrants. If we do not control immigration, we do not control the rate. If we do not control the rate, our ideals are lost.

Are you really being assimilated though? Are you only speaking in Spanish? I live in Southern California and I barely ever use my 4 years of Spanish. I probably use Chinese more than I ever use Spanish. I really don't see how our society is being assimilated into theirs' instead of the other way around. I'm just curious about your examples of them taking over.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel

How many more people on our soil are going to be raped and killed before we control our immigration and impress upon everyone that unless you uphold American laws/ideals you are not welcome here?

Give us your poor, your tired, your hungry...

The whole world is full of tired and hungry people wanting, even standing in line to come here. Why should we just take in any hispanic who can walk across the border?

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: HombrePequeno

Originally posted by: brandonb
I'm sorry to say eskimospy, that the white culture has alot to fear. Every single day, in places like St. Cloud Minnesota, I hear white grandparents trying to talk to their 8 year old grandchildren in Spanish. They feel it necessary to teach this to their white grandchildren because they realize that the hispanics aren't going to adopt the white cultulre. It's going to be us, the white people, who have been here and established the culture that will be changing for them.

If I was going to move to Germany, do you think I should be the one learning German, or do you think the German people there should adapt to me and start learning English?

If I went there and expected them to start learning English, don't you think they'd be a bit upset as I am corrupting the established culture in that area? So does that mean they are racist, or that I am?

From what I recall reading, Hispanics are adapting at the same speed as any other immigrants. My friends mother who's Japanese for instance barely speaks English even though she's been here for almost 20 years. First generation immigrants always have problems adapting. It's their children that are the ones who adapt.

Oh and I don't think you'd have many problems sticking to English in Germany. The vast majority of Germans speak English. It'd be a little harder if you were in Kreuzberg or smaller towns though.

is your friends mother illegal? i bet not.