Hiroshima v. Detroit -- who really won WWII?

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Slick5150

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That page is inaccurate. One of the "Hiroshima" photos is actually Tokyo, and I know a couple of Detroit photos are "before" photos from renovation projects (I know the 1 that looks like a ballroom is from the Book Cadillac hotel which was renovated and reopened a couple years ago and is quite awesome).

So, in short, the whole thing is stupid.
 
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Detroit is dead because it is Motown. When it's the "Mo" that became obsolete in the face of competition, it is no longer Motown. Just a run down town.

No other city in the US is so completely dependent on one industry

I agree that the failure to diversify is one of the city's and the region's huge problems.
 

QuantumPion

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That page is inaccurate. One of the "Hiroshima" photos is actually Tokyo, and I know a couple of Detroit photos are "before" photos from renovation projects (I know the 1 that looks like a ballroom is from the Book Cadillac hotel which was renovated and reopened a couple years ago and is quite awesome).

So, in short, the whole thing is stupid.

Yeah I think a better comparison would be between Detroit and Pripyat, Ukraine.
 

BigDH01

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I agree that the failure to diversify is one of the city's and the region's huge problems.

Detroit had steel too. Another industry severely hurt by international competition.

I don't think this is a liberal or conservative issue, it's just what happens when these industries die. You can go to parts of the conservative south dependent on coal, and you'll also see extreme poverty.
 

lothar

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Those pictures are only profound if you're a profoundly stupid individual. The site seems to make the claim that the liberals in power are the reason the city of Detroit has fallen completely into ruin. But that completely ignores the large corporations who outsourced tens of thousands of industrial jobs to third world countries with a cheaper labor market. And then there's the fact that the growth of Hiroshima in Japan happened under 50+ years of liberal government rule, which tends to undermine the claim that liberalism will ruin cities. It's completely asinine and designed solely to appeal to people who flat out refuse to consider the merits of an argument before they accept it as gospel.

Let me guess...You think Sony, Toshiba, Hitachi, Nintendo and other Japanese firms don't have manufacturing plants in China and other 3rd world countries? If you STILL think none of them do, I'd say you're being naive quite frankly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Democratic_Party_(Japan)
The Liberal Democratic Party (自由民主党, Jiyū-Minshutō?), frequently abbreviated to LDP or Jimintō (自民党?), is a diversely center to right-wing, conservative political party in Japan. It is one of the most consistently successful political parties in the democratic world. The LDP ruled for nearly 54 years since its founding in 1955 with two interruptions between 1993 and 1994 and 2009[4]. The LDP is not to be confused with the now-defunct Liberal Party (自由党, Jiyūtō?), which merged with the Democratic Party of Japan, the main opposition party, in November 2003[5].

Did you actually try to use google first or did you just automatically assume that Japan's LDP was liberal/progressive/socialist movement only because it had the word "liberal" in it? :rolleyes:
I'd guess the later.
 

rcpratt

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Omg, Detroit! So purty! Look, I can cherry pick pictures, too!
 

Colt45

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Let me guess...You think Sony, Toshiba, Hitachi, Nintendo and other Japanese firms don't have manufacturing plants in China and other 3rd world countries? If you STILL think none of them do, I'd say you're being naive quite frankly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Democratic_Party_(Japan)


Did you actually try to use google first or did you just automatically assume that Japan's LDP was liberal/progressive/socialist movement only because it had the word "liberal" in it? :rolleyes:
I'd guess the later.

Center-right means something different outside the US, because your "center" is all helter-skelter.
I'm not familiar with Japan, but most popular "center right" parties in most of the first world have more in common with the democrats than the republicans.

Still cancer, but more like skin cancer as opposed to a brain tumour.
 

cubby1223

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Why can't we say something like Democracy, capitalism, freedom won WWII? Let's take a look at Berlin 1946 compared to Berlin 2010! Does that mean the Nazis won WWII? Of course not.

However, for Michigan's sake, they better drop those damn unions. Read an article yesterday about how Michigan is allowing unions to grab independent business owners, really, against their knowledge, unionize them, and siphon money away from them!
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703478704574612341241120838.html
 

Throckmorton

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Why can't we say something like Democracy, capitalism, freedom won WWII? Let's take a look at Berlin 1946 compared to Berlin 2010! Does that mean the Nazis won WWII? Of course not.

However, for Michigan's sake, they better drop those damn unions. Read an article yesterday about how Michigan is allowing unions to grab independent business owners, really, against their knowledge, unionize them, and siphon money away from them!
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703478704574612341241120838.html

How did it take this long for someone to blame the unions?
 

cubby1223

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^^^
I don't know, but any way one wishes to look at Michigan, to not analyze unions as a factor in their economic conditions is foolish.
 

lothar

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Center-right means something different outside the US, because your "center" is all helter-skelter.
I'm not familiar with Japan, but most popular "center right" parties in most of the first world have more in common with the democrats than the republicans.

Still cancer, but more like skin cancer as opposed to a brain tumour.

How many Democrats in the US want to privatize the US Postal Service?
 
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So nuke Detroit, and maybe in 50 years it will look like Tokyo?

Although this idea is tongue-in-cheek, ironically, it might not be too far from the truth. (However, since we are talking about the U.S., a dying nation, and not Japan, a nation that ascended, if you nuke Detroit it will probably look much the same 50 years later.)
 

K1052

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Although this idea is tongue-in-cheek, ironically, it might not be too far from the truth. (However, since we are talking about the U.S., a dying nation, and not Japan, a nation that ascended, if you nuke Detroit it will probably look much the same 50 years later.)

Using Detriot as a representative example of the state of the US is beyond absurd.