spittledip: I think this might be a bit too simplistic. The internet is a strange thing.. we don;t really see each other and we only share so much and we can only share so much (due to the medium), so many people just become caricatures.. and as a result I think we just see people as caricatures.. and of course it spreads to real life. Of course discrimination/prejudice is a form of this same phenomena.
M: You are very kind. My guess is that you have suffered and long to bring beauty into the world. You have a very spiritual way about you I think. When I said to you, " You just throw that out there. You're probably just defending him because you don't care either.". I knew you didn't feel that way. It was my way of saying I don't feel that way either. I know exactly that each person is of infinite value, but they do not see it themselves. I was telling him in my words what he what he actually feels, not what is really true. He doesn't know that he doesn't properly value himself so I made him feel it by telling him he's worthless. it wouldn't touch him if he didn't believe it.
s: At any rate, to say that this is the only thing that motivates him is to make a false statement. Part of him wants to hurt, part wants to help. This is a universal problem. We all have something in us that wants to move toward good, and we all have something in us that wants to move toward evil. There may be some that want to move solely toward evil, but who knows, not relevant.
M: I think this is exactly so, the difference being that I make false statements intentionally to show how they are believed. Because people deny what they feel they are trapped by those feelings. They remain in the unconscious and provide the hidden motivation for all our evils. The truth hurts in the learning, the joy comes later. I bring the pain. I shine my little pen light is our nest of unconscious cockroaches.
s: Like I said in the last thread, I disagree with his methods.
M: I know that you do but knowledge is hard to find. I understand all about leading by example and knowing them by their fruit, that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar, etc. We know about the seeds falling on fallow ground, on rocks, and in patches of soil. I just go by instinct. The internet is new. I'm a nobody tapping his blind man's cane feeling my way. There's always that ignore button, I'm told. I have never used it.
s: I agree with some of his diagnosis, but he does not apply the diagnosis to both sides.. as if the world is only made up of liberals and conservatives and that is what makes up good and evil. The lack of even-handedness is revealing of course.
M: It's also intentional. In all the brain research I've read the differences between liberal and conservative are on a spectrum and with liberals and conservatives sharing many traits. I seem to be cursed with the ability to see both sides. For me truth is not on the liberal conservative dimension but above it on a different plane. It's like yin and yang, something that is difficult to explain. It is the resolution of paradox at a higher level of understanding, the reason why both conservatives and liberals are right at the same time and yet both wrong too. I focus on conservatives because they are the pig headed group who are certain they are right and in modern America, even dangerous. We have a tea party element that is simply barking mad, as LunarRay likes to say. Conservatives demonize so I do it back. It is the demonization of the other that catastrophe lies. So I tell the demonizers they are monsters. They are the clear and present danger. And fortunately for me, my instant gut knowledge and truthiness tells me so instantly. I am every bit as certain that I'm right as they are. No wishy washy liberal here. I'm just that rare conservative that's right.
s: Again, the effectiveness of his posts is that it always brings out the evil in the people who respond- not all, just alot. Instead of looking at your posts and saying "Wow, I was being a real jerk when I typed that out- I just lashed out against someone I don't even know for some ridiculous post he made." I have been on that side so I know, and I am daily on that side - seeing what I do wrong and thinking about how bad it was that I did such and such.
M: They are good people who are just trying to protect other good people from harm. They believe they are being attacked. They don't see and don't believe that I am causing them to feel their real feelings they actually feel about themselves. They see only the pain they feel and not the reason they feel it. They are in denial. I try to help with that.
s: There is little shame in admitting to this b/c EVERYONE deals with this. Everyone has evil and a bent toward evil. The question is what is everyone doing about it? At the very least he confronts it on some level.
M: There is no shame at all if you are meek and have a small ego, spiritually advanced, but if you are in denial its just denial of shame. They don't want to know they are in pain and feel shame because they feel they deserve it. All these feelings are a lie, but they continue to believe them because they run away and counter attack.
I love your posts but do you ever feel that most of the time you get drowned out by the noise? In a forum where kind people are ignored and stepped on, I like to lay down some hot coals. I guess I'm just mean.
Thank you again for your gentle opinion.
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