Hilliary Clinton & UN and Gun Control

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Facts don't suck, people twisting them to try to say sh*t that they don't mean suck. How do you get supporting an assault weapon ban to equate to supporting the ban of ALL weapons? Show where in history, the democratic party's platform advocates the repeal of ALL guns.

They dont, because they know better then to say it. Why do you think Democrats always give their fake poses with shotguns? To show they "Dont support a gun ban".
Now, AGAIN, I tell you compare the gun laws and gun movements in Democratic controlled areas versus those in Republican controlled areas.
What about all the noise about when the AWB was going to expire? You know, AK's and uzi's out of ice cream trucks? What about all the noise and scare every time a state passes CCW or Castle Doctrine? Blood in the streets and all that jazz.

As for the Brady Bill, if you think that is the reason that the Repugs took control in the mid 90's, you need to lay off the sauce. The repugs are able to speak to the simple minded in catchy 15 second sound bites and catchy slogans that stick in todays ADHD society's heads. To their credit, they took marketing to a whole new level and were very successful doing so.

Perhaps. I can guarentee you though the AWB was a big part of it.

But a decade later, we are seeing that they were and are, all style and no substance. That is why they won't be where they are much longer. Even their own base is finally recognizing it.

I certainly wont disagree. As I said, I have little use for either side of the isle so dont think of me as trying to bash Democrats. But the fact remains on the issue of guns the Democrats are the ones who push for restrictions and bans.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Todd33

Support doesn't equal "sign up"? I put nothing in your mouth, unlike the dude lying next to you. What "proof" or "facts", a few gun laws? I see you equate a few minor gun laws with a world wide ban. Are you advocating zero gun control in the US? Legalize rocket launchers and tanks? Sorry if rational human beings are against ownership of machine guns. You are bordering on Zentroll stupidity.

How about we see how the Convention plays out, then we'll see if they "support" it or would simply "sign up" to it.

And I would hardly call the gun bans minor, considering they banned many makes and models of guns, and banned some of them by the name only. Tell me they dont want to take our guns.......

And yes, I believe in zero restrictions. If you can afford a rocket launcher, buy it!

Since your avoiding all my other comments, or downplaying them, at least answer me one question.

What part of "shall not be infringed" are you unclear on?

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Krakn3Dfx

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Yep, the UN Gun Ban. This isnt the first time they've pushed for it.
Last time we (America) had a guest speaker that handed them their ass.

I dont like to get into Democrat/Republican arguments (I think their both snakes) but the Democrats would sign up to a global gun ban, and you would lose all your guns. Take that to the bank, history proves it.

That's crap, me and most of the DEMs I know own guns, stop with the misinformation.

Great!
Should we see who the signers of the AWB were?

And AGAIN I SAY.
Compare the gun laws in Democrat controlled areas versus Republican controlled areas.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Krakn3Dfx
That's crap, me and most of the DEMs I know own guns, stop with the misinformation.

_Most_ people you know own guns? Like more than 50%?... what are you guys, some kind of secret revolutionary army?

It really depends on where you live. You go to the rural south, most people own guns - hunting rifles, and pistols for self defence.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: EatSpam
You go to the rural south

:Q No thanks. I don't think I'll go to the US at all now that I know that, I don't really like being shot.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: EatSpam
You go to the rural south

:Q No thanks. I don't think I'll go to the US at all now that I know that, I don't really like being shot.

Ah, baseless fear. Smells like liberals.

 

[43st]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Yep, the UN Gun Ban. This isnt the first time they've pushed for it.
Last time we (America) had a guest speaker that handed them their ass.

I dont like to get into Democrat/Republican arguments (I think their both snakes) but the Democrats would sign up to a global gun ban, and you would lose all your guns. Take that to the bank, history proves it.

Ah, baseless fear. Smells like gun nuts.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Krakn3Dfx

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Yep, the UN Gun Ban. This isnt the first time they've pushed for it.
Last time we (America) had a guest speaker that handed them their ass.

I dont like to get into Democrat/Republican arguments (I think their both snakes) but the Democrats would sign up to a global gun ban, and you would lose all your guns. Take that to the bank, history proves it.

That's crap, me and most of the DEMs I know own guns, stop with the misinformation.

Great!
Should we see who the signers of the AWB were?

And AGAIN I SAY.
Compare the gun laws in Democrat controlled areas versus Republican controlled areas.

You can keep saying it all you want, that doesn't make your premise any more true. Or has it not occured to you that Democratic areas are hardly comparable to Republican areas in many ways having nothing to do with political leanings.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
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What part of "shall not be infringed" are you unclear on?

Probably the same part of "shall make no law" and "shall not be violated" that Republicans always seem to have trouble with. I find it strange that you are willing to forgive the Republicans for their inability to understand the Bill of Rights, yet you are foaming at the mouth over the lack of understanding of people who want to ban guns. I've ALWAYS found this strange about NRA types...you guys are SO invested in the 2nd Amendment I'm not really convinced you know that the rest of them even exist.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Specop 007
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What part of "shall not be infringed" are you unclear on?

Probably the same part of "shall make no law" and "shall not be violated" that Republicans always seem to have trouble with. I find it strange that you are willing to forgive the Republicans for their inability to understand the Bill of Rights, yet you are foaming at the mouth over the lack of understanding of people who want to ban guns. I've ALWAYS found this strange about NRA types...you guys are SO invested in the 2nd Amendment I'm not really convinced you know that the rest of them even exist.

I've always said I hold all rights equally. Why do you think I post some of the articles I do (Such as UK knife bans or bans on glass etc).

Trust me, I fully realize the hypocrisy that exists on both sides. I also say I have no use for policitians regardless of the Party they claim. Their all a pack of snakes far as I see it.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
You can keep saying it all you want, that doesn't make your premise any more true. Or has it not occured to you that Democratic areas are hardly comparable to Republican areas in many ways having nothing to do with political leanings.

Really? So....Houston or Dallas or Miami doesnt have the population and cultural diversity of Woodbridge or San Fransico or New York City?

Your trying to cover up Constitutional infringements by saying "Well its different".

No, its NOT different.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Thera

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Yep, the UN Gun Ban. This isnt the first time they've pushed for it.
Last time we (America) had a guest speaker that handed them their ass.

I dont like to get into Democrat/Republican arguments (I think their both snakes) but the Democrats would sign up to a global gun ban, and you would lose all your guns. Take that to the bank, history proves it.

Ah, baseless fear. Smells like gun nuts.

Are you living in a cave too? Didnt read my posts?
What about all the outcry about Castle Doctrines, CCW's and the passing of the AWB.

Tell me about baseless fear........

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Specop 007
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What part of "shall not be infringed" are you unclear on?

Probably the same part of "shall make no law" and "shall not be violated" that Republicans always seem to have trouble with. I find it strange that you are willing to forgive the Republicans for their inability to understand the Bill of Rights, yet you are foaming at the mouth over the lack of understanding of people who want to ban guns. I've ALWAYS found this strange about NRA types...you guys are SO invested in the 2nd Amendment I'm not really convinced you know that the rest of them even exist.

I've always said I hold all rights equally. Why do you think I post some of the articles I do (Such as UK knife bans or bans on glass etc).

Trust me, I fully realize the hypocrisy that exists on both sides. I also say I have no use for policitians regardless of the Party they claim. Their all a pack of snakes far as I see it.

Perhaps I was mistake about your party affiliations, but even if I was, your case hardly holds true for most gun enthusiasts. NRA members, by a very large majority, vote Republican. It's fairly clear where THEY place the 2nd Amendment in terms of priority.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Perhaps I was mistake about your party affiliations, but even if I was, your case hardly holds true for most gun enthusiasts. NRA members, by a very large majority, vote Republican. It's fairly clear where THEY place the 2nd Amendment in terms of priority.

I certainly wont disagree with you. I think the general mindset is "With the 2nd, we can protect the rest".

Far easier to say then actually do of course. You'd be suprised how many people start to hesitate, stutter and stammer when you directly ask them
"You're prepared to grab your rifle and walk out the door, knowing you WILL be killed and knowing your wife will be a widow and your children wil be fatherless?"

Thats a HUGE commitment. I too have been asked that.....I answer honestly.

I dont know. I just dont know what I would do.

I do know this much. With firearms we have a chance....Without, we're completely at the mercy of our government.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Perhaps I was mistake about your party affiliations, but even if I was, your case hardly holds true for most gun enthusiasts. NRA members, by a very large majority, vote Republican. It's fairly clear where THEY place the 2nd Amendment in terms of priority.

I certainly wont disagree with you. I think the general mindset is "With the 2nd, we can protect the rest".

Far easier to say then actually do of course. You'd be suprised how many people start to hesitate, stutter and stammer when you directly ask them
"You're prepared to grab your rifle and walk out the door, knowing you WILL be killed and knowing your wife will be a widow and your children wil be fatherless?"

Thats a HUGE commitment. I too have been asked that.....I answer honestly.

I dont know. I just dont know what I would do.

I do know this much. With firearms we have a chance....Without, we're completely at the mercy of our government.

Oh I agree, you certainly don't have to sell me on the 2nd Amendment. But as they say, the gun is only as useful as the man holding it. I'd much rather have people who supported the entire bill of rights, this picking and choosing thing is getting a little old.

 

[z3R0C00L]

He embelished it a bit...

The global gun ban is on Assault Rifles only (mainly automatic weapons) things civilians shouldn't own in the first place.

I am a gun owner (44 Magnum, 30.06, 30.30, 9mm)

And I would support such a measure. Not soo much for Canada/America... but mainly to rid the world (mainly Africa etc) of automatic small arms in the hands of children used as soldiers.

This would, however, have a large economic impact on America, U.K., France and Russia. As they're the worlds largest supplier of Automatic weapons being sold to African Children. "Don't ask, Don't tell".

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: z3R0C00L
He embelished it a bit...

The global gun ban is on Assault Rifles only (mainly automatic weapons) things civilians shouldn't own in the first place.

I am a gun owner (44 Magnum, 30.06, 30.30, 9mm)

And I would support such a measure. Not soo much for Canada/America... but mainly to rid the world (mainly Africa etc) of automatic small arms in the hands of children used as soldiers.

This would, however, have a large economic impact on America, U.K., France and Russia. As they're the worlds largest supplier of Automatic weapons being sold to African Children. "Don't ask, Don't tell".

Ohh, a 30-30!

Your QUITE the "gun owner" :disgust:

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Todd33
I'm so glad you shared this non-news with us.

Yes, Clinton will ban all guns world wide.

Ah yes. Non news.
Funny, I thought having a foreign government pass laws that are in DIRECT conflict to our Bill of Rights would be very big news....

We do not have a Bill of Rights, just ask them.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Specop 007


Ohh, a 30-30!

Your QUITE the "gun owner" :disgust:

Get a penis enlargement already.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Specop 007


Ohh, a 30-30!

Your QUITE the "gun owner" :disgust:

Get a penis enlargement already.

It has nothing to do with what type of guns he owns, but that he supports a ban.
It takes guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens.

More importantly, the gun ban pushed by the UN strips civilians of all firearms ownership? His 30-30? Bye! That shotgun? Nope, that has to go. Pistols? Too dangerous, turn'm in.

Hes no better then those who take photographs with shotguns to appear to be gun owners.
Nothing but another duck hunter.

How would YOU feel if someone who drove a Honda said M3's or Corvettes or Vipers should be banned?

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: z3R0C00L
He embelished it a bit...

The global gun ban is on Assault Rifles only (mainly automatic weapons) things civilians shouldn't own in the first place.

I am a gun owner (44 Magnum, 30.06, 30.30, 9mm)

And I would support such a measure. Not soo much for Canada/America... but mainly to rid the world (mainly Africa etc) of automatic small arms in the hands of children used as soldiers.

This would, however, have a large economic impact on America, U.K., France and Russia. As they're the worlds largest supplier of Automatic weapons being sold to African Children. "Don't ask, Don't tell".

and who, might i ask, would enforce this fantabulous global ban you dream of?! i thought your folk didnt want a "global police force" trying to dictate how other people live? oh ya, that's right, you surely wouldn't mind the idea as long as the policies they enforce are your own...

whodathunkit!?

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

How would YOU feel if someone who drove a Honda said M3's or Corvettes or Vipers should be banned?

I don't think you would like my answer, but lets put it this way, I would lose no sleep over the hondas either.

 

[Dissipate]

What kind of average daily citizen need's an M16 or some other type of military grade weapon.

The same kind that fought the British 200 years ago.

 

[ciba]

Originally posted by: Rainsfordyou guys are SO invested in the 2nd Amendment I'm not really convinced you know that the rest of them even exist.

Sure they exist, but with the second gone, we can't defend the other nine.

edit: I'm not saying that "certain things" are guaranteed to follow disarmament, but disarmement has always preceeded "certain things."

 

[sandorski]

The UN Resoluition this takes out of context is not about taking Guns away from people. It is about Nations Trading Guns with other Nations.