Hillary vs Bernie coming down to the wire in Iowa, Cruz wins over Trump

[Ns1]

a 50/50 vote seems like a victory to Sanders to me.

:shrugs:

 

[Phokus]

She must have called tails because ain't nobody giving Hillary head, much less six times a day.

The other joke is, 'Of course money would lean towards Hillary'

 

[BoberFett]

Sounds like a bunch of people shouting at each other in a room. A bit like a LARP version of P&N?

Or British parliament.

 

[Phokus]

Ok i'm a sanders fan but this is gold

 

[WelshBloke]

Or British parliament.

You're not wrong there.

You'd think that being as useless as they are they'd stay quiet and hope no one notices that they are there wouldn't you?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

 

[woolfe9998]

I predict that if Trump loses the primary, he will run as an independent even though he has said he will not. He'll claim that he was treated unfairly. In Trump's mind, he can't lose unless his opponents cheat.

 

[mxnerd]

Trump is a clown no matter how you sliced it.

 

[fskimospy]

I think the more interesting thing is sanders annihilates her w/ independents.

That's not really very meaningful though and it's almost certainly a function of him annihilating her with young voters. Young voters are vastly more likely to identify as independents but research clearly shows that in practice these independents vote very similarly to partisans. Chances are pretty good that that the self described independents who are bothering to participate in the caucus are simply Democrats by another name, not actual independents.

 

[buckshot24]

Keep in mind that Rick Santorum won in Iowa 4 years ago.

 

[buckshot24]

I predict that if Trump loses the primary, he will run as an independent even though he has said he will not. He'll claim that he was treated unfairly. In Trump's mind, he can't lose unless his opponents cheat.

I wouldn't predict this but I could definitely wouldn't be surprised if it happened.

 

[werepossum]

Old Clinton maybe. Now she's not for one payer healthcare and is owned by banks, so not so much.

Old Clinton is New Clinton. What politicians say at this point is what they are told will gain them power, nothing more and nothing less.

Are you claiming Hillary doesn't have a penis?

lol Can't stand her, but I never found her that mannish.

Bernie is polling strong in New Hampshire. Iowa is just the opening round, and even if he loses it's much closer to a draw than a decisive defeat.

That self-selected socialist tag is going to sink him when he hits the south and midwest. Even Democrat primary voters in those states tend to be far from socialists. I don't think he's salvageable unless Clinton implodes.

 

[werepossum]

She must have called tails because ain't nobody giving Hillary head, much less six times a day.

lmao

Dishonest old women need love too. But they gotta pay! Giggety . . .

So basically Hillary is like the prostate check of candidates - no one really likes her and choosing her ensures you get it up the ass, but the alternative cancer is deemed worse so you bend over and hope it's over quickly and you never have to do it again.

 

[nageov3t]

looks like Iowa has finally officially been called for Hillary, with 701 state delegates to Bernie's 697 -- https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...b891ee-c93b-11e5-ae11-57b6aeab993f_story.html

 

[woolfe9998]

That self-selected socialist tag is going to sink him when he hits the south and midwest. Even Democrat primary voters in those states tend to be far from socialists. I don't think he's salvageable unless Clinton implodes.

Agreed, and I would add that many southern states, including SC, have solid chunks of black voters and so far they are favoring Clinton. White southern democrats tend to lean too far right to accept Sanders while black southern dems just don't seem to like him so far.

 

[Jhhnn]

I wouldn't predict this but I could definitely wouldn't be surprised if it happened.

Warms my heart just thinking about it.

Donald's whole schtick has been about fucking the Repub establishment & that would def do it.

 

[Theb]

I'm surprised by Sanders showing. I'd be even more surprised if he continues to look like a contender through March. It would be fun to watch a second long shot candidate snatch the nomination from Hilary though.

It's nice to see Rand get a delegate. I would be great if he had a strong showing in New Hampshire, but with the two front runners being anti-establishment that's a tough niche to gain any headway in.

 

[DCal430]

FYI we do not know how the popular vote turned out, Sanders could have had 60% of the popular vote. Iowa democrats do not award national delegates based on popular votes. A presinct, county, and district have a fixed number of delegates. The more who show up to vote does not change this.

 

[waggy]

Can't believe this.

Sometimes, Iowa Democrats award caucus delegates with a coin flip

yeah i was shocked to read that. Also that Hilary won all the flips? that itself seems weird.

a 50/50 vote seems like a victory to Sanders to me.

:shrugs:

Same. I figured Hilary would blow him out of the water. the fact it was so damn close is amazing.

I like BS i just don't think everything he wants is possible without really fucking over the middle class.

 

[DCal430]

Iowa democrats need to release the popular vote count, so we know who the people really supported. If Hillary had won it, they would have released it by now.

 

[nageov3t]

Iowa democrats need to release the popular vote count, so we know who the people really supported. If Hillary had won it, they would have released it by now.

they've never released the popular vote count in any election before, afaik, and may not even track it in the first place since it's irrelevant to the caucus.

 

[buckshot24]

yeah i was shocked to read that. Also that Hilary won all the flips? that itself seems weird.

I saw there were 4 flips and she won all of them. The probability of that is 1/16, pretty slim odds but it happens.

 

[buckshot24]

Iowa democrats need to release the popular vote count, so we know who the people really supported. If Hillary had won it, they would have released it by now.

The system is the way it is, you can't count the votes after the fact with different rules and draw any accurate conclusions.

 

[waggy]

I saw there were 4 flips and she won all of them. The probability of that is 1/16, pretty slim odds but it happens.

I read she won 6. but yeah 4 is possible..but still slim.

 

[nageov3t]

gravity has a pro-Clinton bias.