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Hillary Super Tuesday/Potomac Primary post-mortem: what do you think the turning point was

glenn1

glenn1

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Now that it's 8 straight for Obama, and most with rather comfortable margins, what do you think the turning point was that brought us here? Bill's "fairy tale" comment? The comparison of Obama to Jesse Jackson following South Carolina?

Disclaimer: obviously the nomination is not a done deal and Hillary could come back, but IMHO it's also fair to say there's been a definite change in the air that put a tailwind behind Obama in the last couple of weeks.
 
Crying before one primary.. ok.. Crying before two? fucked up.. I don't think people want a president that cries.

 
Originally posted by: brxndxn
Crying before one primary.. ok.. Crying before two? fucked up.. I don't think people want a president that cries.
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Don't forget she did it a third time.

She did it before NH, she did it before Super Tuesday. And she did it again this past weekend.
 
Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: brxndxn
Crying before one primary.. ok.. Crying before two? fucked up.. I don't think people want a president that cries.
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Don't forget she did it a third time.

She did it before NH, she did it before Super Tuesday. And she did it again this past weekend.
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and natch it was a calculated move because she's a cold hearted bitch completely devoid of human emotions.

but to answer the question... winning the post super tuesday primaries was always going to be rough; it wasn't something they really planned for. she had to win decisively on Super Tuesday, and she failed to do so. the fact that the media at large seems to be in a nonstop orgasm over Obama probably doesn't help.
 
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: brxndxn
Crying before one primary.. ok.. Crying before two? fucked up.. I don't think people want a president that cries.
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Don't forget she did it a third time.

She did it before NH, she did it before Super Tuesday. And she did it again this past weekend.
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and natch it was a calculated move because she's a cold hearted bitch completely devoid of human emotions.

but to answer the question... winning the post super tuesday primaries was always going to be rough; it wasn't something they really planned for. she had to win decisively on Super Tuesday, and she failed to do so. the fact that the media at large seems to be in a nonstop orgasm over Obama probably doesn't help.
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You can say, and they did, and down play losses. But its incredibily hard to down play 20%30% losses. Theres one thing to concede it being hard, but to be blown out? Its not good for her campaign.

Obama may just win the last 10 states prior to March 4 by 20-30%+. That just is NOT good for Hillary.
 
Originally posted by: Pabster
It's simple. People are sick and tired of the Clintons and their machine.
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More like people are sick and tired of the Republicans running the nation. The latest polls have shown Obama to be far more "electable" than Clinton. :light:
 
Originally posted by: brxndxn
Crying before one primary.. ok.. Crying before two? fucked up.. I don't think people want a president that cries.
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THERE'S NO CRYING IN BASEBALL!

or politics
 
I think it has been the non-stop positive press coverage of Obama. Combined with the fact that Hillary is not very likable.

Several people in the media have been open about how Obama gets such positive press coverage.
 
Originally posted by: glenn1
Now that it's 8 straight for Obama, and most with rather comfortable margins, what do you think the turning point was that brought us here? Bill's "fairy tale" comment? The comparison of Obama to Jesse Jackson following South Carolina?

Disclaimer: obviously the nomination is not a done deal and Hillary could come back, but IMHO it's also fair to say there's been a definite change in the air that put a tailwind behind Obama in the last couple of weeks.
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I think ultimately it will be the LBJ comment that Hillary made. Not only did it make people think that she may have been downplaying MLK, but it nudged Kennedy into it, which helped Obama get all that attention and start his momentum.

If that hadn't happened, Obama only loosed one more state on Super Tuesday, but because it did, it helped him narrow the delegate gap in states he did lose, limiting Hillary's wins. If that didn't happen she's up by 250 delegate not including the Supers and today we'd be talking about Obama's firewall and when he might concede.
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I think it has been the non-stop positive press coverage of Obama. Combined with the fact that Hillary is not very likable.

Several people in the media have been open about how Obama gets such positive press coverage.
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In all fairness, Obama just is a highly telegenic, articulate, charismatic character, so he's a natural media darling. I actually have a lot of respect for Hilary Clinton, but she does have a biting-tinfoil quality to her - she's just fundamentally disagreeable to many people.
 
Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: brxndxn
Crying before one primary.. ok.. Crying before two? fucked up.. I don't think people want a president that cries.
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Don't forget she did it a third time.

She did it before NH, she did it before Super Tuesday. And she did it again this past weekend.
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Her tears.....they sustain me
 
I think it started in Nov (debate in philly) and the calender has been playing out the events set into motion back then. We've been waiting to dethrone Hillary, and her once formidable political armor finally cracked and has been fracturing since. I told my wife then that I thought Hillary had already lost, but hadn't yet realized it. Nothings over yet, but I still standby that statement.
 
I think the image Hilary has for being a power hungry bi&tch is probally the turning point. The "bring out all stops" That Bill did, the kinda reinforced an idea that Hilary was power hungry. The first tears really helped, giving her a "more down to earth" quality. I think the second tears plus Bill tirades really reinforced the "power grab" people had already suspected. Most people are weary of figures that might make the state more authoritarian than it has already become. Guilliana (sp) lost because of it, Hilary let her true side show and she will lose as well.
 
Where does this crazy notion come from that there was a singe turning point in the Obama Clinton race? It somewhat implies if candidate X did or did not do one single thing, the outcome would be different.

IMHO, the "democratic voters" looked at both and liked Obama more. And as Obama gains momentum, they want a winner. There is a small chance Hillary can regain the momentum on March 4 with Ohio and Texas, but otherwise, look for Obama to wrap it up soon after March 4.

So far, a typical primaries go, the dem race has about the average amount of mud thrown.
The loser will have some ruffled feathers but no bad lingering resentments. So I am guessing the dems will come into the general election fairly well united.

On the R side, McCain and Huckabee are running fairly clean campaigns. But it still won't
unite some divisions in the party base.
 
Originally posted by: SickBeast
Originally posted by: Pabster
It's simple. People are sick and tired of the Clintons and their machine.
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More like people are sick and tired of the Republicans running the nation. The latest polls have shown Obama to be far more "electable" than Clinton. :light:
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:thumbsup:

I liked and voted for Bill Clinton and while he wasn't perfect I think he did 'a hellova job' compared to the last 7+ years of the shrub. I'm pulling for Obama to get the nomination but if he doesn't I'll be voting for Clinton in Nov. I do think Obama stands a far better chance against McCain simply because of the hatred of Billary, Hildebeast, etc.
 
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