Hillary Says "NO" To Drivers' Licenses For Illegals

[Pabster]

Story here.

This just reinforces how dangerous this woman is. She makes John Kerry look like a principled politician with serious convictions. She has went from saying Spitzer's idea "made sense", to denying that she supported it, to "endorsing" his plan, to now saying "NO" to the whole idea.

And does anyone want to make a wager that Spitzer had his feet over the coals from the Clinton camp? The negative publicity and her dwindling poll numbers are no accident when nearly 80% of this country believes granting DL's to illegals is a bad idea.

 

[nageov3t]

hasn't her position always been basically that while she understands what Spitzer wants to do, it's only a side effect of a problem that has its root at the federal level?

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: loki8481
hasn't her position always been basically that while she understands what Spitzer wants to do, it's only a side effect of a problem that has its root at the federal level?

As far as I can tell, you're right. But then, I'm not trying to find leading Democrats to be "dangerous" so I can have a good excuse for being the hugely partisan tool I wanted to be in the first place.

Pabster, give it up...your pronouncements on Hillary have absolutely NO credibility. You'd vote against Jesus if he ran as a Democrat, and you'd vote for Stalin if he had an (R) next to his name on the ballot. You've absolutely HATED Hillary from day one, before she even HAD any positions on anything. Please don't pretend you're actually looking at her positions and coming to an honest evaluation of them.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Pabster
Story here.

This just reinforces how dangerous this woman is. She makes John Kerry look like a principled politician with serious convictions. She has went from saying Spitzer's idea "made sense", to denying that she supported it, to "endorsing" his plan, to now saying "NO" to the whole idea.

And does anyone want to make a wager that Spitzer had his feet over the coals from the Clinton camp? The negative publicity and her dwindling poll numbers are no accident when nearly 80% of this country believes granting DL's to illegals is a bad idea.

If you mention the term flip flopper i might have to go from Forth Smith to your home and shoot you in the knees with my G3 just because if it.

Seriously DON'T, the entire world hates that fucking shit, it's so fucking lame, why do you have to be so fucking lame, can't you just call Hillary a wise and beautiful woman or Giuliany a... well i guess he's a wise and beautiful woman too.

You could call someone a wise and beautiful woman in prime time TV while showing nipples and vagina in Britain, and i'd become American with a dual citisenship just so i could vote for the one that did it!

 

[palehorse]

uhh, are you guys defending Hillary's 540 on this particular issue? seriously?

I'm no republican, but I do recognize her complete inability to make and stick with any decision or position. And Pabster's right, that IS a dangerous trait for any Presidential candidate.

Convictions are a very important characteristic for a lot of voters, and she has none whatsoever. The fvcking wind is less likely to change direction than Hillary Clinton!

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
uhh, are you guys defending Hillary's 540 on this particular issue? seriously?

hasn't her position always been basically that while she understands what Spitzer wants to do, it's only a side effect of a problem that has its root at the federal level?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
uhh, are you guys defending Hillary's 540 on this particular issue? seriously?

I'm no republican, but I do recognize her complete inability to make and stick with any decision or position. And Pabster's right, that IS a dangerous trait for any Presidential candidate.

Convictions are a very important characteristic for a lot of voters, and she has none whatsoever. The fvcking wind is less likely to change direction than Hillary Clinton!

Flip flopper mentality? Better to stay the fucking course no matter how fucking stupid it is?

A politician that changes his or her mind when she sees a better option definently would have my vote.

Of course, i'm not American so this flip flopper and whap di diddely doo you all do to get the candidates in order instead of looking at what they actually present as a solution is none of my business.

Convictions SHOULD change depending on the situation at hand, this SHOULD be especially obvious for you palehorse. Or do you stick with going one way when you learn it's a mine field just because you want to stick with your convictions?

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: loki8481
hasn't her position always been basically that while she understands what Spitzer wants to do, it's only a side effect of a problem that has its root at the federal level?

No, that hasn't always been her position. It's changed on several occasions. And I was wrong, this is actually the FIFTH position for her on this topic. She also suggested it should be left to the States to decide individually previously.

 

[chucky2]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Flip flopper mentality? Better to stay the fucking course no matter how fucking stupid it is?

A politician that changes his or her mind when she sees a better option definently would have my vote.

Of course, i'm not American so this flip flopper and whap di diddely doo you all do to get the candidates in order instead of looking at what they actually present as a solution is none of my business.

Convictions SHOULD change depending on the situation at hand, this SHOULD be especially obvious for you palehorse. Or do you stick with going one way when you learn it's a mine field just because you want to stick with your convictions?

The problem JoS that people - not just actual Republicans - have with Hillary is that she has no position...she looks at the latest trend in polling and that's her position. This has nothing to do with a 'Stay the course' mentalitiy. This has everything to do with a "Tell me what you believe in, whether I'll like it or not", and let me decide where you stand with me.

Hillary is incapable of that, that her past views haunt her with many swing voters doesn't help her out either...

Quick Edit: And the polling thing isn't just a Billary thing...I think Americans on the whole are F'ing tired of fake soundbites, fake outrage, etc. I watched CNN for about 10 minutes tonight, and the moron host is doing this fake outrage thing that McCain wasn't mad over an old woman (who wasn't planted btw) asking him So, how do we beat the b1tch? or something to that effect. The fact that the CNN anchor actually thinks anyone who isn't a rabid feminist or Hillary/Dem. lover is going to be mad at McCain for not being offended is just living on another planet...no one cares that he wasn't offended...Yeesh...

Chuck

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: palehorse74
uhh, are you guys defending Hillary's 540 on this particular issue? seriously?

I'm no republican, but I do recognize her complete inability to make and stick with any decision or position. And Pabster's right, that IS a dangerous trait for any Presidential candidate.

Convictions are a very important characteristic for a lot of voters, and she has none whatsoever. The fvcking wind is less likely to change direction than Hillary Clinton!

Flip flopper mentality? Better to stay the fucking course no matter how fucking stupid it is?

A politician that changes his or her mind when she sees a better option definently would have my vote.

Of course, i'm not American so this flip flopper and whap di diddely doo you all do to get the candidates in order instead of looking at what they actually present as a solution is none of my business.

Convictions SHOULD change depending on the situation at hand, this SHOULD be especially obvious for you palehorse. Or do you stick with going one way when you learn it's a mine field just because you want to stick with your convictions?

He doesn't want Hillary changing course when she is headed for one.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Flip flopper mentality? Better to stay the fucking course no matter how fucking stupid it is?

no, but changing your mind 3 times, in as many weeks, is a bit obnoxious, dont ya think?!

A politician that changes his or her mind when she sees a better option definently would have my vote.

I would agree with you, but only in cases where it wasn't so obvious that their mind was changed by political polling and/or the wind...

Convictions SHOULD change depending on the situation at hand, this SHOULD be especially obvious for you palehorse. Or do you stick with going one way when you learn it's a mine field just because you want to stick with your convictions?

once again, politicians should not change their minds three or more times in as many weeks on major issues.

by the way, please do me a favor and never compare combat to politics again... 😉

 

[theeedude]

Hillary haters won't take "yes" for an answer.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
I'm no republican, but ...

:laugh:

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Flip flopper mentality? Better to stay the fucking course no matter how fucking stupid it is?

no, but changing your mind 3 times, in as many weeks, is a bit obnoxious, dont ya think?!

A politician that changes his or her mind when she sees a better option definently would have my vote.

I would agree with you, but only in cases where it wasn't so obvious that their mind was changed by political polling and/or the wind...

Convictions SHOULD change depending on the situation at hand, this SHOULD be especially obvious for you palehorse. Or do you stick with going one way when you learn it's a mine field just because you want to stick with your convictions?

once again, politicians should not change their minds three or more times in as many weeks on major issues.

by the way, please do me a favor and never compare combat to politics again... 😉

I only know how to do this one way, and that is as an officer, as far as i'm concerned our politicians are our superior officers are they not? Isn't their orders ours to follow?

Politics is like warfare, and debates are like combats, when you lose you'll need to retreat if you know what you are doing and when you win you need to move forth to gain the land you just gained.

If you are in a combat zone and make a bad decision it's only right to retreat, regroup and rethink your strategy.

Whether you realize it or not, it is a lot like warfare.

I get your point why i shouldn't compare combat to politics though, no one but a soldier ever pays the ultimate price when they lose.

I know that and i didn't mean that and you should fucking know me better than that.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: palehorse74
I'm no republican, but ...

:laugh:

I don't think he is, men of service usually support their leadership but i don't think he's really a republican.

If it stood between Wesley Clarke as a Democrat and Rudy Giuliani then i think i'm pretty sure that he'd vote for Wesley.

If i was American i would too and if he had been the candidate in the last election instead of Kerry, Bush wouldn't had stood a chance in hell.

We all know that this shift in leadership for the US doesn't matter as much who goes as president as it matters that the ones in the admin that matter are gone.

That's whats most important anyway.

 

[Sinsear]

I really hope it comes out that Hillary had her minions get Spitzer to drop his plan b/c it was embarrassing her on the campaign trail. Even my local newspaper, which is quite left of center, proclaims that she is flip flopping and that this has been a stain on her campaign.

 

[Red Dawn]

If the political ads were truthful they'd say "Sure our candidate sucks but theirs sucks more"

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Pabster
She makes John Kerry look like a principled politician with serious convictions.

As if you'd know what a Principlaled Politician looked like:roll:

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
I only know how to do this one way, and that is as an officer, as far as i'm concerned our politicians are our superior officers are they not? Isn't their orders ours to follow?

Politics is like warfare, and debates are like combats, when you lose you'll need to retreat if you know what you are doing and when you win you need to move forth to gain the land you just gained.

If you are in a combat zone and make a bad decision it's only right to retreat, regroup and rethink your strategy.

Whether you realize it or not, it is a lot like warfare.

I get your point why i shouldn't compare combat to politics though, no one but a soldier ever pays the ultimate price when they lose.

I know that and i didn't mean that and you should fucking know me better than that.

No, politics is not like warfare. Warfare isn't a democracy. The problem here is we are trying to pick a leader so we need to know where they stand so we can pick the one that best represents our ideals. Changing a "losing" position doesn't encourage trust in that candidate. We need them to be honest - not changing just because they "lost" on something. Now the problem is - no one really knows what her REAL position will be if elected since it's changed.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
I only know how to do this one way, and that is as an officer, as far as i'm concerned our politicians are our superior officers are they not? Isn't their orders ours to follow?

Politics is like warfare, and debates are like combats, when you lose you'll need to retreat if you know what you are doing and when you win you need to move forth to gain the land you just gained.

If you are in a combat zone and make a bad decision it's only right to retreat, regroup and rethink your strategy.

Whether you realize it or not, it is a lot like warfare.

I get your point why i shouldn't compare combat to politics though, no one but a soldier ever pays the ultimate price when they lose.

I know that and i didn't mean that and you should fucking know me better than that.

No, politics is not like warfare. Warfare isn't a democracy. The problem here is we are trying to pick a leader so we need to know where they stand so we can pick the one that best represents our ideals. Changing a "losing" position doesn't encourage trust in that candidate. We need them to be honest - not changing just because they "lost" on something. Now the problem is - no one really knows what her REAL position will be if elected since it's changed.

Like it matters, they all change their positions once they get elected, just look at the current Asshole in the White House. Hillary or 9/11 will do the exact same thing once they are elected.

 

[theeedude]

Rudy "Sanctuary City" Giuliani is going to run against Hillary on illegal immigration? Good one.

 

[rpanic]

I was open to the possibility of her running and winning, but now as time goes by I can?t stand her. I think she is only getting by because of her husband, she is a woman, Bush has missed it up for the republicans and the media is loving it. I hope she goes away, I think people will eventually look at her like a new used car that was over paid for.

She flipped so much, she should be making burgers.

Wish someone would run that could at least win by more than 1%.

 

[kage69]

That's right Pabster, take some to task for what you completely excuse in others. Were it you actually cared about flip-flopping, then you wouldn't be such a joke.

What, were you molested by a Hillary aid or something?

If you mention the term flip flopper i might have to go from Forth Smith to your home and shoot you in the knees with my G3 just because if it.

John, wtf is it with you and this e-thug routine lately? I just came from a thread where you mentioned you'd prefer to stomp another posters face in. Acting on some desire to be feared isn't doing your position any good, snap out of it mate!

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: kage69
That's right Pabster, take some to task for what you completely excuse in others. Were it you actually cared about flip-flopping, then you wouldn't be such a joke.

Where have I excused flip-flopping?

I've chided Romney and Giuliani in the past on numerous occasions for it.

Take your partisan blinders off for a minute.

 

[kage69]

Where have I excused flip-flopping?

I've chided Romney and Giuliani in the past on numerous occasions for it.

You don't seem to have a problem when Bush or Cheney flip-flops, but sure, it's great that you've "chided" a few nobodies who don't make policy. Yep, quite the objective critic you are. 😀

Take your partisan blinders off for a minute.

Wow, coming from you, shit, that's just gold! Now I just need Dave to lambaste me for wearing tin foil and the circle of absurdity shall be complete!

Awww man that's good stuff... :laugh: