Hillary promises more HIB's

[Mxylplyx]

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The New York senator and Democratic presidential hopeful said she's trying to increase the number of so-called H1B visas aimed at highly educated workers. Silicon Valley companies use H1Bs to sponsor thousands of software engineers from Russia, India, China and other countries, but many must return home when their temporary work permits expire.

"If you think you have a skills shortage now, project it out a decade and we're going to be in real trouble," Clinton said to applause from more than 200 executives attending a half-day CEO Summit by the Silicon Valley Leadership Group. "We need to guide immigration reform to attract and retain foreign-born students who want to work in the United States."

I'm sure Hillary bringing in more foreign born engineers will please her big wig campaign donors who want to pay programmers cut rate wages and work them 70hrs a week, but she probably just lost the vote of every I.T. person outside the executive offices who saw this. Probably every programmer knows what I am talking about, as they probably work with, or have worked with someone from India that does the same job for half the wages, and I dont kid you when I say half the wages. They dont dare complain about anything, because the company controls their Visa status, and can essentially kick them out of the country whenever they want. This goes to show you how Hillary, and every other politician, is completely out of touch with the average working American. Their view on the world is given to them by executive level campaign donors, along with a big check.

 

[GrGr]

Looks like the workers of the US need a party to represent them, instead of having two parties represent the CEO's.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Originally posted by: GrGr
Looks like the workers of the US need a party to represent them, instead of having two parties represent the CEO's.

QFTMFT

 

[Slick5150]

Originally posted by: GrGr
Looks like the workers of the US need a party to represent them, instead of having two parties represent the CEO's.

Unfortunately that is very, very true.

 

[Looney]

To qualify for an H1B, the company has to be willing to pay the individual MORE than the current salary in the area. And most companies probably wouldn't go through the hassle and expense of an H1B, unless the person is more qualified than what they think they can find locally.

And there is a huge shortage of workers in certain industries (like nursing).

 

[EagleKeeper]

How about increaseing the training & opportunities available at the JC & college level to get our people setup for the skills being required.

Provide funding for people to cross train before they are out of work; rather than afterwards.

 

[Genx87]

I dont think people realize the shortage of highly qualified candidates within our borders. Look at it this way, would you rather companies bring in an H1B or ship that job overseas?

Looney brings up a good point about salary, though I have never verified it.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Originally posted by: Looney
To qualify for an H1B, the company has to be willing to pay the individual MORE than the current salary in the area. And most companies probably wouldn't go through the hassle and expense of an H1B, unless the person is more qualified than what they think they can find locally.

And there is a huge shortage of workers in certain industries (like nursing).

Just about every company I've worked at manages to get them, so it cant be that hard. Also, I can assure you, they are not paying them more. At one of my last jobs, I was making over double the salary of an Indian guy with more years of experience.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx

Originally posted by: Looney
To qualify for an H1B, the company has to be willing to pay the individual MORE than the current salary in the area. And most companies probably wouldn't go through the hassle and expense of an H1B, unless the person is more qualified than what they think they can find locally.

And there is a huge shortage of workers in certain industries (like nursing).

Just about every company I've worked at manages to get them, so it cant be that hard. Also, I can assure you, they are not paying them more. At one of my last jobs, I was making over double the salary of an Indian guy with more years of experience.

There is a quota the govt grants for H1Bs. I believe it is about 150,000-200,000 a year. In an economy the size of ours with a workforce as big as it is, that is a drop in the bucket.

At a former employer they moved an entire engineering dept to India partly because of costs but also because they couldnt fill the positions they needed from the native population nor H1Bs.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Looney
To qualify for an H1B, the company has to be willing to pay the individual MORE than the current salary in the area. And most companies probably wouldn't go through the hassle and expense of an H1B, unless the person is more qualified than what they think they can find locally.

And there is a huge shortage of workers in certain industries (like nursing).

Based on experience and also talking with state employment representives, that is not usually the case.

Companies will search for college campuses for foreign students and offer them H1Bs.

Job descriptions will be written up such that a US worker can not qualify or will not take the position at the number offered.

Companies will take students as co-ops and then write the job description for them. (See above results)

Many listings that are filed through the unemployment offices of states have tags that indicate that they are preferred for H1B even though the company can not discriminate.

In '95 I saw job postings for S/W developers that required 2-3 years of Windows 95, 5+ years of VC++ experience, a Master degree in CS and a $25K salary.

 

[Double Trouble]

Originally posted by: Looney
To qualify for an H1B, the company has to be willing to pay the individual MORE than the current salary in the area.

Not true, the company has to demonstrate that they are paying "prevailing rates" for that particular position in that area. They don't have to pay more than that.

And most companies probably wouldn't go through the hassle and expense of an H1B, unless the person is more qualified than what they think they can find locally.

That depends. In many instances, the H1B works as intended -- the company can't find a qualified applicant here, so they bring one in from abroad to fill a need. There are lots of other companies that take advantage of this though -- they prefer having an employee that 1) is locked into working for them and can't leave to another employer 2) can't complain or make waves for fear of losing their visa sponsorship 3) is willing to work for less than others. Clearly, that creates a big risk of abuse.

 

[Double Trouble]

Yet another reason I don't like Hillary......

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: GrGr
Looks like the workers of the US need a party to represent them, instead of having two parties represent the CEO's.

Namely the CEO's of companys like acro, teksystems, etc. They are the ones pushing the H1B becuase they are making a killing off poeple from India. Bring them over... pay them half of what I would command, dangle a green card in thier face for three years... and profit.

The end result to the company using these service from acro and the like is the same cost whether they hire a U.S. citizen of visa holder. Only these tech worker suppliers have a much higher profit margin on people from India.

 

[PingSpike]

Yeah, there's a shortage alright. There's a shortage of people willing to become highly skilled in math or science and then get paid less than some one with a business degree or a law degree or any of the other better paying positions that aren't constantly in the news when discussing which jobs are being shipped to India. There's certainly a high demand for smart people who are stupid enough to work harder for less money! I wonder why they don't make to many of those anymore?

More H1B's will accelerate the process of Americans turning their back on science and math based professions. And who can blame them? People are just making the smart decisions. Why would anyone want to go into a field that has a bunch of indentured servants depressing its wages?

Raise the wages...and watch more people start to choose this as a career.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Genx87
I dont think people realize the shortage of highly qualified candidates within our borders. Look at it this way, would you rather companies bring in an H1B or ship that job overseas?

Looney brings up a good point about salary, though I have never verified it.

Shortage? What shortage? The only shortage is of skilled tech workers who are willing to work for peanuts. I have over ten years in as a software developer, several of those as a lead and I can't find a job.

And as for Looney, that's simply not true. H1Bs don't get paid more than residents.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Genx87
I dont think people realize the shortage of highly qualified candidates within our borders. Look at it this way, would you rather companies bring in an H1B or ship that job overseas?

Looney brings up a good point about salary, though I have never verified it.

Shortage? What shortage? The only shortage is of skilled tech workers who are willing to work for peanuts. I have over ten years in as a software developer, several of those as a lead and I can't find a job.

And as for Looney, that's simply not true. H1Bs don't get paid more than residents.

Where do you live? In Minneapolis they throw money at people with 3 years experience. 6 figures usually.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Genx87
I dont think people realize the shortage of highly qualified candidates within our borders. Look at it this way, would you rather companies bring in an H1B or ship that job overseas?

Looney brings up a good point about salary, though I have never verified it.

Shortage? What shortage? The only shortage is of skilled tech workers who are willing to work for peanuts. I have over ten years in as a software developer, several of those as a lead and I can't find a job.

And as for Looney, that's simply not true. H1Bs don't get paid more than residents.

Where do you live? In Minneapolis they throw money at people with 3 years experience. 6 figures usually.

I live in Minneapolis, so I can say matter of factly that's false. I don't know where you're getting your information but it's wrong.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Genx87
I dont think people realize the shortage of highly qualified candidates within our borders. Look at it this way, would you rather companies bring in an H1B or ship that job overseas?

Looney brings up a good point about salary, though I have never verified it.

Shortage? What shortage? The only shortage is of skilled tech workers who are willing to work for peanuts. I have over ten years in as a software developer, several of those as a lead and I can't find a job.

And as for Looney, that's simply not true. H1Bs don't get paid more than residents.

Where do you live? In Minneapolis they throw money at people with 3 years experience. 6 figures usually.

I live in Minneapolis, so I can say matter of factly that's false. I don't know where you're getting your information but it's wrong.

Nearly every job I have interviewed with over the past 12 months has dev positions looking for 3-5 years of experience all paying north of 70, many 6 figures. I am a sys admin and they are asking if I know any qualified devs who I am friends with.

Sure there are entry level positions in the 35-50K range, but with that much experience you shouldnt be having a hard time finding a job.

/shrug

 

[Looney]

Maybe it's just not the skill sets that these companies are looking for, but other qualities that these foreigners are bringing. Maybe they're more hardworking than Americans? Maybe they diversify a company that's trying to be global. I don't know, but if it's really about the bottom line, software and engineering projects are almost just as easy to outsource as call center positions.

 

[theeedude]

I am not against bringing them here, but I think it's ridiculous that they have to be stuck at a job for many years to get a green card. I think they should be allowed to switch jobs without starting the application process over as long as they stay continuously employed. Otherwise these companies have too much power over them.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

take this in the context of where she was...

meaning, if she goes some place impacted negatively from H1Bs she may came out against them there.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx

I'm sure Hillary bringing in more foreign born engineers will please her big wig campaign donors who want to pay programmers cut rate wages and work them 70hrs a week, but she probably just lost the vote of every I.T. person outside the executive offices who saw this. Probably every programmer knows what I am talking about, as they probably work with, or have worked with someone from India that does the same job for half the wages, and I dont kid you when I say half the wages. They dont dare complain about anything, because the company controls their Visa status, and can essentially kick them out of the country whenever they want. This goes to show you how Hillary, and every other politician, is completely out of touch with the average working American. Their view on the world is given to them by executive level campaign donors, along with a big check.

Wait a minute, I thought you guys were all for legal immigration? You might want to be careful here because if you start complaining about high skill people who contribute more in taxes then they take out you might lose the only reason you currently have to not be called xenophobes.

 

[glugglug]

H1B quotas have been ignored since Bush entered office. From experience at places I've worked, I can say almost with certainty that the IT industry in New York alone is exceeding those quotas.

A few I saw were working in excess of 100 hours per week for $40k in New York City.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx

I'm sure Hillary bringing in more foreign born engineers will please her big wig campaign donors who want to pay programmers cut rate wages and work them 70hrs a week, but she probably just lost the vote of every I.T. person outside the executive offices who saw this. Probably every programmer knows what I am talking about, as they probably work with, or have worked with someone from India that does the same job for half the wages, and I dont kid you when I say half the wages. They dont dare complain about anything, because the company controls their Visa status, and can essentially kick them out of the country whenever they want. This goes to show you how Hillary, and every other politician, is completely out of touch with the average working American. Their view on the world is given to them by executive level campaign donors, along with a big check.

Wait a minute, I thought you guys were all for legal immigration? You might want to be careful here because if you start complaining about high skill people who contribute more in taxes then they take out you might lose the only reason you currently have to not be called xenophobes.

What do H1Bs have to do with immigration?

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: Looney
To qualify for an H1B, the company has to be willing to pay the individual MORE than the current salary in the area. And most companies probably wouldn't go through the hassle and expense of an H1B, unless the person is more qualified than what they think they can find locally.

And there is a huge shortage of workers in certain industries (like nursing).

Ha ha state farm carts them into their corperate offices for IT jobs like mexicans at Home Depot. I love state farm (Just got a Dividend check for ~$40) but I'd not get a IT job with them. They love "EXTERNALS." except they steal like crazy and clog up toilets because they don't understand them. (Think not a garbage shoot.) Wierd but true.

Hillary will not win. She'll bring in EXTERNALS to take our jobs too. Don't need to fix our education problem when entitlements and socialized medicine will make us lazy and not want to even work.