Hillary makes it official

[norseamd]

Keep in mind I said deserves not actually that I think the government needs to implement voter right restrictions right now. That said the fact that she is willing to play around with the possibilities of world affairs and sacrifice millions of human lives just for her trivial and petty judgemental spat with Hillary shows that she has no morality or responsibility. Hillary has the right to do with her life and her body as she wants to not that she is enslaved to the judgements of the hoi polloists.

And while I fully support Democracy keep in mind that this is considered by scientists as one of the key major problems with Western Democracy.

 

[norseamd]

Like THAT is what is important. How do we know Hillary isn't banging other people on the side as well, and more importantly, who cares?

And I can guarantee you Hillary did and still does cheat on her husband. And probably with Obama lots of the time. And the wife from above may or may not care about her doing that. Makes me think about whether she believes Ray Rice is not just terrible but also not worth being considered or classified as a human being but that since his wife never left him that everyone needs to kick the shit out of her like more than a few were yelling nothing but hate and degradations at Mrs. Rice back when that was in the news.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

You'd probably lose that bet considering that voter ID laws reduce the turnout by 2.4% as a share of registered voters. Is this you avoiding the question?

I know of quite a few people that were of voting age that chose not to register this last election. I asked them why and they stated it wasn't worth their time or trouble.

 

[Brian Stirling]

NAFTA and WTO has also encourage job loss

Chicken and egg...

The economic policies of NAFTA and other free trade laws wasn't to kill jobs per se, rather it was to transfer a greater percentage of wealth to the wealthy -- job loss was just the predictable consequence of this transfer of wealth.

It's likely that many of the economists and politicians that promoted "free trade" actually believed it would be good for the nation but that belief was dependent on the trickle down notion. Let the wealthy have more of the wealth and the little people would also benefit. It never made sense, of course, as the wealthy take a greater share the rest will have less.

Neither the dems nor the repubs give a shit about the middle class -- we don't offer then what the wealthy offer them. The Tea Party are pawns for guys like the Koch brothers as they foam at the mouth in support of the very policies that are killing THEM -- and us. The democratic supporters are in many ways just like the Tea Party in that they support folks that are actually working against there interests.


Brian

 

[Perknose]

I know of quite a few people that were of voting age that chose not to register this last election. I asked them why and they stated it wasn't worth their time or trouble.

Is that a reason to make it more difficult to vote than it is to purchase a gun at a gun show?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Is that a reason to make it more difficult to vote than it is to purchase a gun at a gun show?

You need an ID to purchase a gun at a gun show* in Texas as well as a federal background check so I would say it takes more to buy a gun than vote.

* All the gun shows I've been to recently do not allow personal sales of guns, only federally licensed gun dealers.

 

[dank69]

I know of quite a few people that were of voting age that chose not to register this last election. I asked them why and they stated it wasn't worth their time or trouble.

Of course some people will be too lazy to do both but that wasn't your claim. Your claim that they are more likely to not even register at all is demonstrably false by the quantifiable drop in turnout of registered voters. Remember, you only have to register once each time you move, but you need to provide ID every year you vote.

Regardless, this is the second time you have sidestepped answering the actual question posed.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Of course some people will be too lazy to do both but that wasn't your claim. Your claim that they are more likely to not even register at all is demonstrably false by the quantifiable drop in turnout of registered voters. Remember, you only have to register once each time you move, but you need to provide ID every year you vote.

Regardless, this is the second time you have sidestepped answering the actual question posed.

What have you done to help people meet the ID requirement if there is one in your state? I have assisted people with requesting the voters birth certificates, registering to vote, taking same said people to the polls, and voting by mail for voters 65/older.

I know, it's far easier to piss and moan than actually do something

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

"Under Sniper Fire"

 

[dank69]

What have you done to help people meet the ID requirement if there is one in your state? I have assisted people with requesting the voters birth certificates, registering to vote, taking same said people to the polls, and voting by mail for voters 65/older.

I know, it's far easier to piss and moan than actually do something

What does that have to do with the question?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

If the state you live in has voter ID requirements you either do what it takes to meet the requirements or you can sit around pissing and moaning about how you were disenfranchised. The state of Texas had DPS voter ID buses travel throughout the state but don't you know traveling a mile or two was just too much for some. Even though this same mile or two was the same distance they would need to travel to vote.

The group of veterans I ride with helps older voters every year get what they need to attain voter IDs and register to vote or request vote by mail (which doesn't require an ID) for the over 65 crowd. It seem every year the word gets around and more seek us out to help. Maybe if more communities did the same the voter ID laws would not be the issue some want to make it out to be.

 

[fskimospy]

If the state you live in has voter ID requirements you either do what it takes to meet the requirements or you can sit around pissing and moaning about how you were disenfranchised. The state of Texas had DPS voter ID buses travel throughout the state but don't you know traveling a mile or two was just too much for some. Even though this same mile or two was the same distance they would need to travel to vote.

The group of veterans I ride with helps older voters every year get what they need to attain voter IDs and register to vote or request vote by mail (which doesn't require an ID) for the over 65 crowd. It seem every year the word gets around and more seek us out to help. Maybe if more communities did the same the voter ID laws would not be the issue some want to make it out to be.

Research indicates they remain pointless however, so saying that a pointless requirement is less inconvenient isn't really a good argument.

 

[dank69]

If the state you live in has voter ID requirements you either do what it takes to meet the requirements or you can sit around pissing and moaning about how you were disenfranchised. The state of Texas had DPS voter ID buses travel throughout the state but don't you know traveling a mile or two was just too much for some. Even though this same mile or two was the same distance they would need to travel to vote.

The group of veterans I ride with helps older voters every year get what they need to attain voter IDs and register to vote or request vote by mail (which doesn't require an ID) for the over 65 crowd. It seem every year the word gets around and more seek us out to help. Maybe if more communities did the same the voter ID laws would not be the issue some want to make it out to be.

So should someone who is too lazy to even use your free service be allowed to vote?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

So should someone who is too lazy to even use your free service be allowed to vote?

They are free to follow the laws in the state where they live.

 

[dank69]

They are free to follow the laws in the state where they live.

Got it. Conform or fuck off. I should be forced to carry documentation proving my status as a citizen.

 

[werepossum]

Wow. If I read you right, you just said you don't care about the TRUTH of what was in the bill, you'll stick with the lying, hysterically and unashamedly wrong, asshole right wing bullshit "widely reported (on Fox new and Briebart) at the time?"

Shame on you.

Nope. We've been through this on these forums before. Check the printed book version - it's pretty clear. A Medicaid doctor is only a Medicaid doctor, a Medicaid patient is only a Medicaid patient, and if Government says no, both can be jailed for paying for treatment. Again, this point was widely debated at the time.

Are you saying romneys dad wasn't in politics or are you just admitting your ignorance on a subject, once again?

I'm aware that George Romney was a governor, though thankfully not a lifelong member of the political class as are so many. That hardly makes Romney a "ruling family" in the Clinton sense, as Clinton was actually President.

So you were 'amazed' that anyone could support her, considering she authored a bill where you would be jailed for buying your own health care, and thought that people were willing to support her was a sign of how far America had fallen.

When asked to provide a shred of support for that opinion, along with a copy of the bill she 'authored' you can't do it. You would think this would cause you to rethink what you said. Instead, you just basically said 'I know what I know and I don't care'. If you want a statement as to 'how far we have fallen', that seems like a pretty telling one.

Also, Mitt Romney was the son of a former presidential candidate and governor. It's not like he was from some fresh faced political family.

Again, we've been through this on these forums before. Check the printed book version - it's pretty clear, having the unaltered section as well as the proposed section. Searching through the bill would require crossing-searching for the exact language of the sections it modified, as the bill is largely things like "replace the period in the first sentence of the second paragraph of 1168B with 'and actions such as the Secretary shall deem acceptable.'" Actually finding out what the bill would do is a laborious process. (Which I am totally sure is purely accidental.)

I would not argue that Romney's father had been in politics. I WOULD argue that the Romney family is hardly the same level of "ruling class" as is the Clinton family. Rather a lot more governors than President, eh?

 

[werepossum]

Is that a reason to make it more difficult to vote than it is to purchase a gun at a gun show?

You absolutely have to show a valid government photo ID to purchase a gun from a licensed dealer at a gun show. If you wish to extend the metaphor, I have no problem with you registering your vote with an unlicensed individual without producing photo ID. It's only casting a vote with the government without valid ID to which I object.

 

[Drako]

Why does her logo look like a hospital sign?

 

[ivwshane]

Good lord you are such a hack!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Romney

Keep on keeping on with your stupidity, I enjoy the laughs!

Nope. We've been through this on these forums before. Check the printed book version - it's pretty clear. A Medicaid doctor is only a Medicaid doctor, a Medicaid patient is only a Medicaid patient, and if Government says no, both can be jailed for paying for treatment. Again, this point was widely debated at the time.


I'm aware that George Romney was a governor, though thankfully not a lifelong member of the political class as are so many. That hardly makes Romney a "ruling family" in the Clinton sense, as Clinton was actually President.


Again, we've been through this on these forums before. Check the printed book version - it's pretty clear, having the unaltered section as well as the proposed section. Searching through the bill would require crossing-searching for the exact language of the sections it modified, as the bill is largely things like "replace the period in the first sentence of the second paragraph of 1168B with 'and actions such as the Secretary shall deem acceptable.'" Actually finding out what the bill would do is a laborious process. (Which I am totally sure is purely accidental.)

I would not argue that Romney's father had been in politics. I WOULD argue that the Romney family is hardly the same level of "ruling class" as is the Clinton family. Rather a lot more governors than President, eh?

 

[fskimospy]

Well if it's so obvious than someone must have the relevant sections from the printed book version available online. You've made a very specific allegation, so back it up. If you can't, just say as much.

The whole "I swear this thing about a politician I hate is true so just trust me" thing doesn't fly.

 

[BoberFett]

Keep in mind I said deserves not actually that I think the government needs to implement voter right restrictions right now. That said the fact that she is willing to play around with the possibilities of world affairs and sacrifice millions of human lives just for her trivial and petty judgemental spat with Hillary shows that she has no morality or responsibility. Hillary has the right to do with her life and her body as she wants to not that she is enslaved to the judgements of the hoi polloists.

And while I fully support Democracy keep in mind that this is considered by scientists as one of the key major problems with Western Democracy.

LOL, and I'm sure there are no Democrats who vote based on petty things...

"Obama gonna pay my mortgage!"

Those votes are OK though, because they're in line with yours, right?

LOL, Democrats.

 

[fskimospy]

Good lord you are such a hack!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Romney

Keep on keeping on with your stupidity, I enjoy the laughs!

It's interesting how he views the son of an enormously powerful businessman, governor, former presidential frontrunner, and member of Nixon's cabinet as not the same sort of 'ruling class' as the wife of a former president who both worked their way up from nothing. I guess bootstraps are only good to pull yourself up by if they are tied to the right party.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Got it. Conform or fuck off. I should be forced to carry documentation proving my status as a citizen.

I'm expected to conform to the laws of Texas and any other state/country I've lived or visited.

I don't see the SCOTUS ruling laws on voter IDs to be unconstitutional in the states that provide reduced or free birth certificates/IDs considering the persons ability to pay. People have 18 months to get their IDs and register to vote prior to the November 2016 elections, so anyone that wants to vote had best get moving.

 

[boomerang]

So, this thread is about voter ID now? LOL! When are you guys, if ever, going to cease falling for this shit?

The left should be ecstatic to have Hillary as their candidate. For all the wrong reasons of course but that doesn't much matter to them. But they're obviously not ecstatic so they've changed the course of the conversation. Don't let them wriggle away from the Hillary candidacy and into their comfort zone. We've got another 18 or 19 months of this shit ahead of us. Let's keep this discussion focused.

She's running, so what are her accomplishments?

I'll start. :hmm::hmm:

 

[dank69]

I'm expected to conform to the laws of Texas and any other state/country I've lived or visited.

I don't see the SCOTUS ruling laws on voter IDs to be unconstitutional in the states that provide reduced or free birth certificates/IDs considering the persons ability to pay. People have 18 months to get their IDs and register to vote prior to the November 2016 elections, so anyone that wants to vote had best get moving.

Yes, very libertarian of you. You must obtain documentation just to cast a vote that is statistically insignificant in order to prevent the bogeyman from voting.