Hillary Makes Another Proposal

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: techs
Doesn't anyone remember this plan?
When Bush proposed it three years ago!

I do. It was different.

 

[SSSnail]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Like Pabster, I prefer politicians who are brain dead and never have any ideas.

If Bush had just sat on his hands the last 7 years and done nothing (no wars, no Patriot Act, and on and on), would you have liked him better? Just wondering. A 'Do-Nothing' president sounds like a great idea by comparison.

Actually, yes.

 

[b0mbrman]

Sweet. I'd take the free money.

 

[Excelsior]

And do you honestly believe that living in this country has nothing to do with success? I know it's pretty ego boosting to think so, but face it, there is a reason our country does so well compared to a lot of other countries with less government.

So you're saying that just because the USA has a relatively free market you think those who succeed in it should give up their money to the people (masses)? I don't get that....any country can have a free market. The USA isn't the only one with it, so how is it so special? The country didn't "do a lot" to help the people succeed it actually did less, by having a relatively free market system in place. Thats how I see it anyway. If you make money in America in a legal way, you earned it. No one else is entitled to it. So I say let the people give back to the true reason and foundation for their success...the market.

asking them to give something back doesn't seem too unreasonable to me.

But this is where things get dicey. Give back to who exactly? Why? How much? How shall it be distributed?

It makes a lot more sense to me to let the person who made their money, keep as much of it as possible ( I certainly understand that some taxes are a necessary burden). It is often in the wealthy persons interest (usually) for the market to be doing well, which in turn is better for the masses. But the kind of policy Hillary is advocating is bollocks. I don't see how people can honestly support it.

 

[NaughtyGeek]

I don't see how people can honestly support it.

Easy, they believe they're entitled to what your hard work has produced. It's usually the logic that those poor children, people, seniors, etc.... can't fend for themselves. Basically they're socialists but don't want to just outright say it. Wouldn't the Founding Fathers be proud! God save the Queen!

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: palehorse74
I believe that one of Hillary's goals is to eliminate the middle-class altogether.

The middle class doesn't have estates worth $7 million. I don't know how conservatives have been so successful perpetuating the myth that the middle class is the same as the upper class, but that's clearly not the case.

I believe that the applicable myth is the one wherein the middle class is as oppressed as the lower class - which certainly didn't originate with conservatives.

It is Hillary's intention, and those like her, to align the middle class with the lower in hopes of drawing more voters to their side when they go after "the evil rich." When, in reality, the only ones who lose out in the end are the middle class themselves.... DOH!

Bringing the middle class onto the government teat is just step one...

 

[Moonbeam]

Oh God, we're going to have another dumb President. At least it will be a different one.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
I believe that the applicable myth is the one wherein the middle class is as oppressed as the lower class - which certainly didn't originate with conservatives.

It is Hillary's intention, and those like her, to align the middle class with the lower in hopes of drawing more voters to their side when they go after "the evil rich." When, in reality, the only ones who lose out in the end are the middle class themselves.... DOH!

Bringing the middle class onto the government teat is just step one...

QFT. :thumbsup:

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
When is Hillary going to show us her plan to balance the budget?

This plan = $20 billion a year.
Her healthcare plan = $110 billion a year.
Baby plan = $20 billion a year.

That is $160 billion a year and we are not even to the general election yet.

Its called raising taxes on the richest 1%, who make 21% of the money in the US.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Oh God, we're going to have another dumb President. At least it will be a different one.

anyone smart enough to be president knows better than to take the job.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
When is Hillary going to show us her plan to balance the budget?

This plan = $20 billion a year.
Her healthcare plan = $110 billion a year.
Baby plan = $20 billion a year.

That is $160 billion a year and we are not even to the general election yet.

Its called raising taxes on the richest 1%, who make 21% of the money in the US.

That group already provides 40% of all tax revenue, how much more should they be expected to pay?

They are already paying nearly 25% of their income in just income tax.

 

[dualsmp]

Does Hillary carry around a pocket Communist Manifesto? :evil:

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
not everyone can save for retirement...

sure would help if that big social security clusterfsck program we have wasn't taking 13% of their pay and giving them a rate of return lower than inflation.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Rainsford
not everyone can save for retirement...

sure would help if that big social security clusterfsck program we have wasn't taking 13% of their pay and giving them a rate of return lower than inflation.

SS needs to be reformed, for sure. Perhaps a mixed 401k/ss type solution?

Anyway, I know a few "slugs' who work 60+ hours a week to take care of their family and earn about 10 bucks an hour. When it's all said and done, there isn't money left over for retirement. "Well spend more wisely!" the communist criers may say. They shop at Aldi's, get the dented cans. Which kid so they not feed?

The myth being portrayed by the "anti-communists" is that if you aren't rich you aren't working, because if you worked hard you would be rich. At least that the logic.

They argue for a "let them eat cake" philosophy. See how well that worked.

Again, I hear this from the "wannabes" more than from the rich themselves. Whatever.

 

[ElFenix]

i'd buy into a mixed solution. make the 401(k) part inheritable and you'd probably get decent support for it.

 

[piasabird]

There is no such thing as personal accounts under the Social Security System. Since all social security taxes go to the general fund, there is only an empty promise. In reality the government can waste our social security funds any time it wants to. This is taxation without representation.