Hillary is difficult for the press in terms of access/interviews.

[Doc Savage Fan]

Anything of substance to add?

Or are you just spouting the mythos of the Right?

He was really awesome at personally managing the schedule for the White House tennis court...I'll give him that!

 

[fskimospy]

He was really awesome at personally managing the schedule for the White House tennis court...I'll give him that!

He also presided over a time of much better job creation than Ronald Reagan. Isn't that interesting?

 

[Indus]

She's nails on the chalk board to me. I'm glad I don't have to listen to her very often. She does not appear where there are likely to be hard ball questions, as she just doesn't have the proper temperament or demeanor for it. She has a tendency to get defensive. She has a femi-hair trigger, whereas if she even thinks you're heading toward what she would perceive as misogyny, she will claw your eyeballs out. lol

I don't like her one bit.. but look at the contrast.. The GOP wants to start World War lll and they have no clue on how to approach the problems we have besides deporation force, carpet/nuke bomb, round up gays and execute them, let the middle class and the poor starve, hell with minorities, only white power, seig heil and screw climate change and health care protections which guarantee insurers can't drop you for pre-existing conditions.

We all know it by now and the saddest part is.. I'm not exaggerating.. The GOP is extremely fascistic scary this election year.

I would like a cool, calm even tempered President like Bernie but given the choice between the GOP and a non GOP'er.. I'd rather vote for Obama's dog Bo in the White House for 4 years.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

He also presided over a time of much better job creation than Ronald Reagan. Isn't that interesting?

You can distort the effectiveness of his presidency anyway you like. But I lived it and know first hand just how bad it was under Carter. Nice guy, but a horrible president.

 

[werepossum]

He was really awesome at personally managing the schedule for the White House tennis court...I'll give him that!

And at directing battles with swimming Leporidae. Hard to exaggerate the threat they might pose without Carter's bold leadership. (Well, unless one assumes there would be one.)

 

[fskimospy]

You can distort the effectiveness of his presidency anyway you like. But I lived it and know first hand just how bad it was under Carter. Nice guy, but a horrible president.

That's a frankly bizarre index you have there, but you're free to distort things any way you want, I guess.

Out of curiosity, what policies of Carter's do you think led to increased unemployment or inflation, considering those are the only two components of that index? Inflation is the purview of the federal reserve, and job growth during Carter's administration was very high. (not to mention that if we were experiencing a period of catastrophic deflation your index would regard this as a good thing, haha.)

I find that most people who say 'Carter was a terrible president' usually have little or zero evidence for it. The idea that a president is responsible for economic growth during their presidency is a dubious proposition at best, but ones where you select indices based on metrics that they have functionally zero control over like inflation makes me think that you are once again making conclusions first and searching for evidence second.

 

[MongGrel]

You can distort the effectiveness of his presidency anyway you like. But I lived it and know first hand just how bad it was under Carter. Nice guy, but a horrible president.

Many posters lived through it.

And way before then, still doesn't make your personal opinion any more valid than it usually is.

Throw out some more meaningless bar graphs, still won't change anything.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

And at directing battles with swimming Leporidae. Hard to exaggerate the threat they might pose without Carter's bold leadership. (Well, unless one assumes there would be one.)

It was a close call!

 

[wetech]

whenever she speaks, all I hear are the Martians from Mars Attacks: Ack Ack Ack!

That is, unless she's doing her fake Forrest Gump southern accent.

 

[Jhhnn]

You can distort the effectiveness of his presidency anyway you like. But I lived it and know first hand just how bad it was under Carter. Nice guy, but a horrible president.

You really are completely mindless in a partisan way. Notice the close correlation between the misery index & this, something Carter could not control-

Saint Ronnie got the downhill run with the wind at his back.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

You really are completely mindless in a partisan way. Notice the close correlation between the misery index & this, something Carter could not control-

Saint Ronnie got the downhill run with the wind at his back.

So, let me get this straight, are you saying that Carter had zero control and didn't want Volcker to raise interest rates to fight stagflation after all?

 

[fskimospy]

So, let me get this straight, are you saying that Carter had zero control and didn't want Volcker to raise interest rates to fight stagflation after all?

Are you saying that the president controls the actions of the Fed? The entire purpose of making the Fed independent is so that the president and Congress can't control their actions. Like that's literally the whole point.

Also, Volcker did not raise interest rates to fight 'stagflation'. He raised interest rates to fight plain old inflation, and the corresponding outcome was (predictably) a recession. Regardless, as I asked before can you identify what policies of Carter's you believe led to either inflation or unemployment, as those are the two components of the metric that you decided to use to judge his presidency?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Are you saying that the president controls the actions of the Fed? The entire purpose of making the Fed independent is so that the president and Congress can't control their actions. Like that's literally the whole point.

Also, Volcker did not raise interest rates to fight 'stagflation'. He raised interest rates to fight plain old inflation, and the corresponding outcome was (predictably) a recession. Regardless, as I asked before can you identify what policies of Carter's you believe led to either inflation or unemployment, as those are the two components of the metric that you decided to use to judge his presidency?

Carter supported Volcker's actions.

 

[fskimospy]

Carter supported Volcker's actions.

So to be clear, your argument is that Jimmy Carter was a bad president because he approved of someone else doing something that Carter had no control over?

This is simply baffling. I asked you for something very simple: you said Carter was a bad president and cited a chart about inflation and unemployment. If high inflation and unemployment made Carter a bad president then just tell me the things that he did which let to high inflation and unemployment.

So far your evidence consists of 'he thought someone else's actions that he had no control over were correct.' If that is evidence that he was a bad president, had Carter disagreed with Volcker would he have been a good (or better) president? If not, please explain.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

So to be clear, your argument is that Jimmy Carter was a bad president because he approved of someone else doing something that Carter had no control over?

This is simply baffling. I asked you for something very simple: you said Carter was a bad president and cited a chart about inflation and unemployment. If high inflation and unemployment made Carter a bad president then just tell me the things that he did which let to high inflation and unemployment.

So far your evidence consists of 'he thought someone else's actions that he had no control over were correct.' If that is evidence that he was a bad president, had Carter disagreed with Volcker would he have been a good (or better) president? If not, please explain.

There are many reasons that Carter was a bad President and I'm not going to detail them all for you as you can easily look them up for yourself. Congress was controlled by Democrats and even they didn't like him and blocked most of his legislative agenda. Horrible leader is horrible leader.

 

[Bowfinger]

There are many reasons that Carter was a bad President and I'm not going to detail them all for you as you can easily look them up for yourself. Congress was controlled by Democrats and even they didn't like him and blocked most of his legislative agenda. Horrible leader is horrible leader.

Are you going to detail any of them?

 

[fskimospy]

There are many reasons that Carter was a bad President and I'm not going to detail them all for you as you can easily look them up for yourself. Congress was controlled by Democrats and even they didn't like him and blocked most of his legislative agenda. Horrible leader is horrible leader.

I didn't ask you to detail them all for me. I asked you to detail even a single one of the policies he enacted that caused inflation and high unemployment, the two things you directly listed evidence he was a bad president.

The fact that you are completely unable to do this says a lot.

 

[kage69]

I didn't ask you to detail them all for me. I asked you to detail even a single one of the policies he enacted that caused inflation and high unemployment, the two things you directly listed evidence he was a bad president.

The fact that you are completely unable to do this says a lot.

Carter really dropped the ball on giving Iran weapons. Having the chutzpah to try and remedy our absolute reliance on OPEC was pretty stupid. Good thing we let the free market solve that one.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

I don't like her one bit.. but look at the contrast.. The GOP wants to start World War lll and they have no clue on how to approach the problems we have besides deporation force, carpet/nuke bomb, round up gays and execute them, let the middle class and the poor starve, hell with minorities, only white power, seig heil and screw climate change and health care protections which guarantee insurers can't drop you for pre-existing conditions.

We all know it by now and the saddest part is.. I'm not exaggerating.. The GOP is extremely fascistic scary this election year.

I would like a cool, calm even tempered President like Bernie but given the choice between the GOP and a non GOP'er.. I'd rather vote for Obama's dog Bo in the White House for 4 years.

Hillary is just as much of a hawk, if not more....

Don't confuse pandering to idiots with what they actually do.

You can distort the effectiveness of his presidency anyway you like. But I lived it and know first hand just how bad it was under Carter. Nice guy, but a horrible president.

Reagan went on a spending spree while cutting taxes. He then went senile, and the lobbyist effectively became the POTUS!

Blaming Carter is like blaming Obama in 2008.

 

[shady28]

Hillary is just as much of a hawk, if not more....

Don't confuse pandering to idiots with what they actually do.



Reagan went on a spending spree while cutting taxes. He then went senile, and the lobbyist effectively became the POTUS!

Blaming Carter is like blaming Obama in 2008.

Carter chose not one, but chose two Fed Reserve Chairmen in his short 4 year Presidency.

To be fair there are other circumstances here, but ones which most lefties refuse to see. You can trace just about every current negative trend and correlate the beginnings back to the mid 1970s. The flattening out of real median income, concentration of wealth, inflation, decline in manufacturing / middle class destruction, massive federal deficit spending / debt accumulation, massive private debt accumulation, increasing working hours and multiple workers per household (despite flat household medians).

You could make a whole new thread on what happened in the 1970s that fucked things up so bad.

Not saying Carter was the source, but he along with the Dem congress were probably the last administration and congress who could have set us on a different path. Democrats controlled both Congress and the Presidency in the Carter years.



http://neweconomicperspectives.org/...ibility-2-carter-stagnation-unemployment.html

The economy during the Carter period never operated at full capacity or near full capacity. Deficit and inflation reduction were emphasized above all other domestic concerns, and substantial output gaps were simply accepted as something that it was very difficult for Government to do anything about. This was true during a period in which the presidency and the Congress were both in Democratic hands with substantial majorities.

In addition, the President was able to appoint his choice to head the Federal Reserve on two occasions. During the early part of his Administration he was dealing with a Republican appointee, Arthur F. Burns, who was far from a fiscal hawk on inflation. When Burns resigned, Carter appointed G. William Miller to head the Federal Reserve. Miller was, if anything, more dovish on interest rates than Burns. But later when he moved Miller to Treasury, he appointed the fiscal hawk Paul Volcker as Federal Reserve Chairman, and in doing this shot both himself and the United States economy in the foot; condemning himself to defeat in 1980; and the economy to a multi-year recession with high levels of unemployment from 1980 – 1986.

In spite of his favorable political situation (at least until he appointed Volcker) for active deficit spending-based fiscal policy, President Carter and leaders in the other branches of Government chose to emphasize inflation moderation, rather than facilitating an economy that used its full productive capacity for the public purpose. The outcome of this orientation was characterized as “stagflation” in the popular press, and the term came to stigmatize the Carter period in Government and his Administration, in particular.

 

[Jhhnn]

I didn't ask you to detail them all for me. I asked you to detail even a single one of the policies he enacted that caused inflation and high unemployment, the two things you directly listed evidence he was a bad president.

The fact that you are completely unable to do this says a lot.

Never fear- truthiness & mythology will prevail, at least for some.

 

[sportage]

I was really disappointed with chelsea clinton attacking Bernie. Just proves the apple really doesn't fall far from the tree. Her poor husband. Their poor kid. That screwed up family.
At this point I'd rather see an illegal alien from Mexico elected president.
What does it matter?
We're never going to be able to trust any of these goons.
And whomever ends up elected, we're just going to hate the very ground they walk on a year from now.