Hillary informs Santorum of the obvious

[RightIsWrong]

File under the category of "DUH".....

Maybe this explains why some on the right and left argue when it is blatantly apparent to everyone else that they are wrong.....they can't see the forest through the trees.

Maybe I am wrong though. Maybe Santorum, being the man of the family, knows what the best way to keep a family in line and on the straight path. It takes a woman who is obediant (sp) and willing to have six kids. It takes a man that knows that you can swindle the state that you represent in Congress out of $75,000/yr on charter school tuition even though you reside in Virginia for 10 months out of the year. It takes a homophobe. It takes....well, you will have to buy the book to find out what else it takes.

Linky

Sens. Santorum, Clinton trade child-rearing barbs

Tuesday, July 12, 2005
Associated Press

WASHINGTON -- It may take a village to raise a child. Or it may take a family. But it definitely takes two senators to argue the merits of either.

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., and Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., had just enough time today in a Senate hallway for a quick exchange of views on the subject of child-rearing.

As first lady, Clinton wrote "It Takes a Village," arguing that a community is an important part of a child's development.

Recently, Santorum, a social conservative, authored "It Takes a Family," aimed at countering Clinton's message and asserting liberal politics have weakened the American family. The book was released last week.

Clinton has kept mum on Santorum's book, until today, when the two senators passed each other in the basement of the Capitol.

"It takes a village, Rick, don't forget that," Clinton called out.

"It takes a family," he countered.

"Of course, a family is part of a village!" she replied.

The two continued on in opposite directions.

The 449-page book by Santorum tackles domestic issues ranging from home schooling to welfare reform, and promotes family over what he describes as the big government, or village, in Clinton's 1996 book.

Santorum chairs the Senate Republican Conference and is sometimes hailed as a possible 2008 presidential candidate, even as he prepares for what is expected to be a tough 2006 re-election battle.

Clinton, who is also up for re-election next year, is considered the early leader among potential Democratic candidates for president in 2008.

Santorum's book questions Clinton's oft-cited desire to reduce the number of abortions while at the same time defending abortion rights.

He dismisses Clinton's talk of meaning and morality as "little more than feel-good rhetoric masking a radical left agenda."

Pennsylvania Democrats are seeking to turn Santorum's book into a campaign issue against him. When the book was released, the head of the state's Democrats, T.J. Rooney, said every woman in the state should be offended.

Santorum wrote that respect for stay-at-home mothers "has been poisoned by a toxic combination of the village elders' war on the traditional family and radical feminism's mysogynistic crusade to make working outside the home the only marker of social value and self-respect."

 

[Phokus]

THat has to be the most retarded exchange ever.

 

[conjur]

Santorum wrote that respect for stay-at-home mothers "has been poisoned by a toxic combination of the village elders' war on the traditional family and radical feminism's mysogynistic crusade to make working outside the home the only marker of social value and self-respect."

:roll:

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Phokus
THat has to be the most retarded exchange ever.

That's for sure. I guess I shouldn't expect much more outta those two...

 

[RightIsWrong]

Can you imagine the debates:

"I know you are but what am I?"

 

[chowderhead]

Originally posted by: conjur

Santorum wrote that respect for stay-at-home mothers "has been poisoned by a toxic combination of the village elders' war on the traditional family and radical feminism's mysogynistic crusade to make working outside the home the only marker of social value and self-respect."

:roll:

What is Karen Santorum doing outside the kitchen ... she isn't even barefoot and pregnant
I guess it was those radical feminist that made Santorum's wife a nurse and a lawyer. I look forward to Santorum losing in 2006 and retiring to his primary residence in Virginia

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Phokus
THat has to be the most retarded exchange ever.

This is what happens when people bark at each other with rhetoric. Crap like "it takes a village" or "it takes a family" are ultimately meaningless. They should be focusing on specific legislative issues.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: chowderhead

Originally posted by: conjur

Santorum wrote that respect for stay-at-home mothers "has been poisoned by a toxic combination of the village elders' war on the traditional family and radical feminism's mysogynistic crusade to make working outside the home the only marker of social value and self-respect."

:roll:

What is Karen Santorum doing outside the kitchen ... she isn't even barefoot and pregnant
I guess it was those radical feminist that made Santorum's wife a nurse and a lawyer. I look forward to Santorum losing in 2006 and retiring to his primary residence in Virginia

Actually, a picture I saw of her the other day she *does* look pregnant!

And they just got away without having to pay back the tuition fees to the State of Pennsylvania.
http://pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/education/s_352379.html

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: chowderhead

Originally posted by: conjur

Santorum wrote that respect for stay-at-home mothers "has been poisoned by a toxic combination of the village elders' war on the traditional family and radical feminism's mysogynistic crusade to make working outside the home the only marker of social value and self-respect."

:roll:

What is Karen Santorum doing outside the kitchen ... she isn't even barefoot and pregnant
I guess it was those radical feminist that made Santorum's wife a nurse and a lawyer. I look forward to Santorum losing in 2006 and retiring to his primary residence in Virginia

Do me a favor....I can't seem to find any listing for a Karen Santorum, Karen Garver or Karen Garver-Santorum doing a search for lawyers in PA or VA. Maybe you can prove me wrong on that?

Lawyers.com Search by name page

Or maybe, just maybe, Senator Caveman made her give up her career outside the home to have and raise the kiddies? She could still auther books on manners cause she can do that from home.

Seems that she is a FORMER nurse too.

Santorum, 47, says he's gotten "a lot of schooling on this issue" from his wife, Karen, a former neonatal intensive-care nurse

 

[WingZero94]

Santorum really hits the nail on the head with his book. Statistics themselves show that children raised by a family (mom and dad) are less likely to got to jail, do drugs, etc. I lost any respect for H Clinton when she didn't dump that piece of crap who cheated on her numerous times. She is in it for the political standpoint.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Do me a favor....I can't seem to find any listing for a Karen Santorum, Karen Garver or Karen Garver-Santorum doing a search for lawyers in PA or VA. Maybe you can prove me wrong on that?

Lawyers.com Search by name page

In all fairness, I'm not in there either, and I've been a lawyer for almost 7 years. If memory serves, you have to be a Martindale-Hubbell subscriber to be listed by M-H, and it takes a while to get added. This database seems to be even more limited, because my boss is an AV-rated litigator, and he's not available on lawyers.com.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: WingZero94
Santorum really hits the nail on the head with his book. Statistics themselves show that children raised by a family (mom and dad) are less likely to got to jail, do drugs, etc. I lost any respect for H Clinton when she didn't dump that piece of crap who cheated on her numerous times. She is in it for the political standpoint.

You mean as compared to kids raised by a village?

 

[WingZero94]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: WingZero94
Santorum really hits the nail on the head with his book. Statistics themselves show that children raised by a family (mom and dad) are less likely to got to jail, do drugs, etc. I lost any respect for H Clinton when she didn't dump that piece of crap who cheated on her numerous times. She is in it for the political standpoint.

You mean as compared to kids raised by a village?

LOL, yea... raised by the village. That is the problem... do you want to raise your kids or do you want the drug dealer/gang banger/etc down the street raising them.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: WingZero94

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: WingZero94
Santorum really hits the nail on the head with his book. Statistics themselves show that children raised by a family (mom and dad) are less likely to got to jail, do drugs, etc. I lost any respect for H Clinton when she didn't dump that piece of crap who cheated on her numerous times. She is in it for the political standpoint.

You mean as compared to kids raised by a village?

LOL, yea... raised by the village. That is the problem... do you want to raise your kids or do you want the drug dealer/gang banger/etc down the street raising them.

She said Villiage, not Villiage Idiots:laugh:

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: WingZero94

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: WingZero94
Santorum really hits the nail on the head with his book. Statistics themselves show that children raised by a family (mom and dad) are less likely to got to jail, do drugs, etc. I lost any respect for H Clinton when she didn't dump that piece of crap who cheated on her numerous times. She is in it for the political standpoint.

You mean as compared to kids raised by a village?

LOL, yea... raised by the village. That is the problem... do you want to raise your kids or do you want the drug dealer/gang banger/etc down the street raising them.

She said Villiage, not Villiage Idiots:laugh:

You mean the Mall doesn't qualify as a village?

 

[RichPLS]

What is a kid raised by a village? Depends on what the meaning of is is.
Could it be the village idiot...

Hillary believes in an open village, with vile characters and strange behaviors.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: WingZero94

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: WingZero94
Santorum really hits the nail on the head with his book. Statistics themselves show that children raised by a family (mom and dad) are less likely to got to jail, do drugs, etc. I lost any respect for H Clinton when she didn't dump that piece of crap who cheated on her numerous times. She is in it for the political standpoint.

You mean as compared to kids raised by a village?

LOL, yea... raised by the village. That is the problem... do you want to raise your kids or do you want the drug dealer/gang banger/etc down the street raising them.

She said Villiage, not Villiage Idiots:laugh:

They *are* part of the village, too

 

[WingZero94]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: WingZero94

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: WingZero94
Santorum really hits the nail on the head with his book. Statistics themselves show that children raised by a family (mom and dad) are less likely to got to jail, do drugs, etc. I lost any respect for H Clinton when she didn't dump that piece of crap who cheated on her numerous times. She is in it for the political standpoint.

You mean as compared to kids raised by a village?

LOL, yea... raised by the village. That is the problem... do you want to raise your kids or do you want the drug dealer/gang banger/etc down the street raising them.

She said Villiage, not Villiage Idiots:laugh:

Yea, that is for sure. Problem is that if the 'village' isn't family centered, the idiots will far outnumber the good people. I wouldn't want my kid to have to take that chance. Now, if you start with a family and have a community of families with good moral values, then it would be possible to have input from other community members (church, youth group, etc). It starts with a family.

 

[ExpertNovice]

Who would have thought that Hillary could have a humorous exchange with someone. She was being funny, right?

 

[piasabird]

What village do you live in?

What the hell is a village?

Are there village elders?

 

[Vic]

Exactly what is so wrong with the family and so great about the village? Oh, oh... I know. Families are real and villages are a fictional creation.


edit: Link this to my arguments against communism (if you want). Many people think the problem with the "communist ideal" is that it is unnatural, i.e. that it goes against human nature. That is wrong. The problem is that it goes against physcial reality, i.e. not just human nature but contrary to the known scientific make-up of the physical universe and nature's laws as we know them to exist on earth. Case in point. Families have a real, physical existence. Villages are a work of fiction, i.e. something we thought up amongst ourselves.

 

[RichPLS]

Villages are where the Village People live. The Cop, the construction worker...
Y M C A

 

[TNM93]

I haven't read either of these politicians books but if they debate on whether a village or a family raise a kid, I'll pass.

Obviously it's both. The family being the primary influence, but peers, teachers, etc. being the secondary (village) influence.

 

[phantom309]

Originally posted by: WingZero94
Santorum really hits the nail on the head with his book. Statistics themselves show that children raised by a family (mom and dad) are less likely to got to jail, do drugs, etc. I lost any respect for H Clinton when she didn't dump that piece of crap who cheated on her numerous times. She is in it for the political standpoint.

Maybe she stayed with him because statistics show that children raised by a family (mom and dad) are less likely to got to jail, do drugs, etc.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: phantom309

Originally posted by: WingZero94
Santorum really hits the nail on the head with his book. Statistics themselves show that children raised by a family (mom and dad) are less likely to got to jail, do drugs, etc. I lost any respect for H Clinton when she didn't dump that piece of crap who cheated on her numerous times. She is in it for the political standpoint.

Maybe she stayed with him because statistics show that children raised by a family (mom and dad) are less likely to got to jail, do drugs, etc.

Nah, that's not it. It's that crazy liberal notion of forgivness.