Hillary in 2008!

[Moonbeam]

CAD, you should try my crying towel. Here let me hold your rose coloured glasses. Oh wait a minute, I think I'm going to need it for a sec here. I wahnt to cry about you crying about my crying.

 

[burnedout]

I know, that is why I usedthe term preferred, because it was not really a choice. that was my point, it was not an integral part of the mainstream military when Bush Sr was in office, it came after him.

thank you for clearing the differences between then and now, amazing how much Bush did in 2 years after Clinton stalled all those programs for 8 years.

I agree about those damn liberals and their great society, whats wrong with a national depression with no safety net?

Now go get your tax booklets from this year and check to see how much actually goes to social programs, should be second page from the back I think this year, and tell me how they are bleeding this country dry? Was it not Regan's military buildup and deficit spending in the 80's that quadrupled our debt?

Yes, Reagan's programs did in fact quadruple our debt. However, again, you miss the overall big picture.

When that socialist named Jimmy Carter was president, our once-mighty military was a wreck - a damn sorry wreck. The military was so broken that our country was placed at great risk. If you research hard enough, you'll find out about the race riots in the Army, Navy and USMC during the 70s, the drug abuse problems, McNamara's Morons, AWOL and desertion rates off the charts, underground newspapers, crime and muggings in the military, retention rates at all time lows. The military was a mess at the time. You know, the time when the Army couldn't meet its recruiting quotas even by enlisting stupid, ignorant non-high school graduates with a fifth-grade reading level. Or how about when Gen Meyer said in 1979 that we have a "hollow Army", in an address to congress after the Army failed to meet recruiting goals with society's mentally disadvantaged. Would you like to learn more about a particularly pathetic time in our nation's military history?

Granted, the sorry-assed state of the military in the 1970s wasn't totally old Jimmy's fault. The Vietnam conflict had one hell of a lot to do with it. Societal and cultural transformation in America added to the equation. But old Jimmy didn't help much. No sir, his agenda was let's be good little socialists and everybody around the world will join hands with us and sing "Kumbaya". Meanwhile, the Iranians take over an embassy for 444 days, the Russians go into Afghanistan and everybody else just sh!ts all over our country. We couldn't fight our way out of a wet paper bag at the time. If conventional war had broken out in Europe with Warsaw Pact during the 1970s, we were doomed to either employ nukes or capitulate Western Europe.

The liberals can whine, yell, scream and blither all they want about Ronnie. The Soviet Bloc is no longer around. The fact of the matter is that a country must first exist to even institute all the cool little "lets-join-hands-and-sing-kumbaya" programs. Reagan brought our military back from the very depths of hell to the point where it could actually defend. He brought respect and power back to an extremely important institution that was otherwise demoralized. To deny this is sheer ignorance.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
CAD, you should try my crying towel. Here let me hold your rose coloured glasses. Oh wait a minute, I think I'm going to need it for a sec here. I wahnt to cry about you crying about my crying.

Why would you want my rose colored glasses? I'm sure you are already wearing your own pair plus I wouldn't want to have to dig them(my rose colored glasses) out of the box with all my highschool crap

CkG

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Ilmater
Partial-birth abortion... hmmmm, let's see here. Oh, right. I remember that one. That's that three-day procedure where the first two days are spent dilating the cervix with a mechanical device, and on the third day, they grab the fetus' legs with forceps, pull them out until the doctor can reach the head, the head is opened (usually with scissors), and the brain is sucked up with a suction catheter. That last part is done because the head wouldn't fit out of the vagina with the brain still inside. When the brain is gone, the head collapses easily. Still don't buy some of this or don't think it's that bad? Read this page. I'm sure you skeptics will question the source, but after you read it, you'll see that the sources are clear and reputable.

I hope to God (rhetorical since I'm an Atheist) that you're just uninformed. Try to read that without getting sick.

Again, it is none of my business. If someone wants to murder a child, no matter how grusomely or humanely they wish to do so, it is none of my business until it involves me. I don't support abortion. I think murder is the second worst sin (I can't think of a better word for it, but I don't necessarily mean this in the religious sense) a person can commit. But, if someone is to the point where they think murder can solve all of their problems, so be it. Just don't try to ruin my life.

Good Lord, I hope you're just hopefully nihilistic. Hey, if somebody murders someone in California, that doesn't affect me. Under your logic, that would mean that it should still be legal, right? I mean, it's murder (and even you would agree that it's murder it appears), and it doesn't affect you...

 

[JellyBaby]

Originally posted by: Tripleshot

Originally posted by: JellyBaby

Hillary in 2008

Not if I can help it. Federalized, central-authority control over health care is not something I feel the nation can afford, nor do I want bureacrats deciding what health care we receive. They will mess it up grandly just as they have with most federal programs.

Sounds like you have never been under an HMO program. What you describe is the exact fiasco private enterprise has handed out. High cost, buerocrat (board room) control, medicine prescribed by bean counter CPA's instead of doctors.

Ya, keep bitching about a national health plan or minimum level of health care standard guarenteed to all citizens. Other countries have that, and at a minimum, so should the US. If you pay for it a tax premium or a portion of your current tax burden, so be it. The reward far outways the sacrifice. If you want better care than a program like that, and can afford to pay for it---GREAT!

But right now, the highest cost ever is levied for health care and staffed by underpaid, over worked health proffesionals laboring under mountains of red tape and regulation as it is. Much of that wil lgo away when the doors to hospitals are opened to patients without regard to "Who is your insurance carrier?"

Ever notice who is first to lobby against national health care? You got it! The G-Damn insurance companies who reap gobs of revenue from insurance premiums and profit from not paying out.

You need to study up on the alternatives to cuurent healthcare problems before you just blanketly reject an alternative because you don't like the messenger. That attitude takes you right out of the debate. You are looked at as the sheep Rush Limbaugh likes to herd down the republican road.

That image is disgusting.

Actually people like who you put down others when their ideas differ from yours, make tons of assumptions while trying to provoke an argumentative response are disgusting.

Who forced HMOs upon us?

If health care is a "right", why not have the feds provide us with food, clothing and shelter, too?

If health care is federalized and you want private coverage because inevitable it's much better, you'll end up paying for both. Is that fair?

Do you want Uncle Sam to have complete knowledge of your medical history? Do you want your Uncle telling you what services you can get and when you can get them?

Who will pay for it? Do you have any idea how much it will cost? Look at TN "Tenncare" program (valid, since a State can fund a program like this, no Constitutional authority required).

Do you realize this will likely bankrupt the nation at some point? Do you like how the feds have managed Social Security, Welfare?

Finally, federalized health coverage simply shifts insurance from one body to another but doesn't address the fact we can't pay doctors directly for anything. It still obstructs the doctor-patient relationship.

You, neighbor, need to study up on this issue a bit more. It would be nice to see everyone with access to medical care and we once had it and it was affordable. What happened? Government and insurance.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Ilmater

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Ilmater
Partial-birth abortion... hmmmm, let's see here. Oh, right. I remember that one. That's that three-day procedure where the first two days are spent dilating the cervix with a mechanical device, and on the third day, they grab the fetus' legs with forceps, pull them out until the doctor can reach the head, the head is opened (usually with scissors), and the brain is sucked up with a suction catheter. That last part is done because the head wouldn't fit out of the vagina with the brain still inside. When the brain is gone, the head collapses easily. Still don't buy some of this or don't think it's that bad? Read this page. I'm sure you skeptics will question the source, but after you read it, you'll see that the sources are clear and reputable.

I hope to God (rhetorical since I'm an Atheist) that you're just uninformed. Try to read that without getting sick.

Again, it is none of my business. If someone wants to murder a child, no matter how grusomely or humanely they wish to do so, it is none of my business until it involves me. I don't support abortion. I think murder is the second worst sin (I can't think of a better word for it, but I don't necessarily mean this in the religious sense) a person can commit. But, if someone is to the point where they think murder can solve all of their problems, so be it. Just don't try to ruin my life.

Good Lord, I hope you're just hopefully nihilistic. Hey, if somebody murders someone in California, that doesn't affect me. Under your logic, that would mean that it should still be legal, right? I mean, it's murder (and even you would agree that it's murder it appears), and it doesn't affect you...

No, of course that should not be legal. I do not think abortion should be legal either. But, either way, it does not affect me. I have not been stupid enough to get a woman knocked up.

 

[Moonbeam]

I don't think we should noc up monkeys either, but I don't know what's it's got to do with Hillary in 2008 either.

 

[SuperTool]

I don't think she will run against an incumbent Democrat
Maybe 2012.