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Hillary for President

It would be impossible for her to do worse than what we've got.

However, she would be just as disasterous for our country.
 
I'd like to know how she really and truly feels about NAFTA first. Obama, AFAIK, has done an about face on his campaign promise to re-negotiate this agreement.

Her ties with Walmart hasn't done her any good either. So I'm wondering what her real and true feelings are about unions too.
 
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I really don't care as long as it's not Sarah Palin.

I'm all for putting Ron Paul into office but when people here him state facts, they assume he's just nuts because he talks about things that really matter.

And since a write in is just a waste of time, I'm pretty sure I'm not going to bother voting in 2012.
 
How does the election process work? Doesn't it come down to the current president vs leader of the other party? Like in 2004 you had Bush (president) vs Frankenstein (leader of democrats). This time would be Obama vs some white guy.
 
ShawnD1 said:
How does the election process work? Doesn't it come down to the current president vs leader of the other party? Like in 2004 you had Bush (president) vs Frankenstein (leader of democrats). This time would be Obama vs some white guy.
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Not always. See LBJ.
 
ShawnD1 said:
How does the election process work? Doesn't it come down to the current president vs leader of the other party? Like in 2004 you had Bush (president) vs Frankenstein (leader of democrats). This time would be Obama vs some white guy.
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1st you have people within a party vying for their party's nomination.

Then the winners of that process are on the actual ballot for the Presidency.

For Hillary to run for President she must challange Obama to be the Dem party's nominee. (Or else run as an independant, not likely). I highly doubt she will resign her cabinet position and challenge him unless something very significant happens; his poll number are far too high.

Incumbants don't seem to face challenges from within their own party too often. It's divisive, costly etc., and hampers both candidates' general election chances. IMO, won't happen.

Instead, I think Obama wins the Dem party nomination unopposed and we see a bunch of people on the other side running for the Repub nomination. IMO, those Repubs are using 2012 as a trial run and really trying to place themselves for 2016. The winner of the Repub nomination in 2012 has the lead for 2016 when there's a better chance of actually winning office.

Fern
 
ShawnD1 said:
How does the election process work? Doesn't it come down to the current president vs leader of the other party? Like in 2004 you had Bush (president) vs Frankenstein (leader of democrats). This time would be Obama vs some white guy.
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Only if they choose to run again, which Obama likely will. They were saying his 2012 campaign is estimated to cost over 1 billion dollars. recession? LOL
 
ShawnD1 said:
How does the election process work? Doesn't it come down to the current president vs leader of the other party? Like in 2004 you had Bush (president) vs Frankenstein (leader of democrats). This time would be Obama vs some white guy.
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The Illuminati arrange for someone they control to "run against" another individual whom they control. Issues are presented to "the public" in such a manner as to give the illusion of meaningful difference.

Much Hilarity* ensues.







*(Yes... the choice of that particular word is intentional)
 
Fern said:
Instead, I think Obama wins the Dem party nomination unopposed and we see a bunch of people on the other side running for the Repub nomination. IMO, those Repubs are using 2012 as a trial run and really trying to place themselves for 2016. The winner of the Repub nomination in 2012 has the lead for 2016 when there's a better chance of actually winning office.

Fern
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agreed, I honestly don't think, short of a 'dark-horse' candidate ( and no I'm not being racist), that any of the current or likely republican candidates have a chance against obamas cult of personality.

Even in 2016, it's still going to be tough slogging, the dims are able to muster over a billion per campaign, I think the republican are around half of that. I'm sure we'll be electing a democrat 'Hugo Chávez' type of president in the next 25 years the way this nation is heading/breeding into a majority of freeloaders.
 
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given his lock on the black vote, it's pretty unlikely that Obama would face a serious primary challenge as a sitting president.

if he did face a primary challenge, I could only see it happening from the left. a fringe-ish candidate like Berny Sanders or Dennis Kucinich trying to represent the progressive issues that Obama has thrown under the bus and collecting some college votes.

Hillary is in absolutely no position to challenge Obama from the left.
 
I don't know, there seems to be a lot of unhappy people on the left and Hillary is very popular. I bet she would win the Democratic nomination.
 
While its true that Hillary may have more political knowledge than every sitting President including Obama, I doubt Hillary will run against Obama. Hillary has already ruled out running against Obama in 2012, and by 2016, she will probably be too old to run. As it is, Hillary, IMHO, has been a very good Sec of State for Obama, and if Hillary retires in 2012, She will have compiled a very excellent political resume unequaled by any woman in American history. Not bad for a girl who started out as only the wife of some Southern State Governor.

But if Obama declines to run in 2012, she could well lock up both the democratic nomination and win the general election in 11/2012.

Obama is certainly more true to democratic ideals in MHO, but he has lacked sufficient toughness to accomplish those ideals. Hillary at least has the resolve and toughness to make the republirats howl while forcing her legislation through, and deliver more democratic bacon for the better welfare of the American people.

But still way to early to tell, the GOP made their 2010 gains on the implication their policies would benefit the nation, and if that does not prove to come to pass, and GOP policies collapses the fragile American economy, the dems may emerge from the election of 11/2012 in even better shape than they were in the election of 11/2008.
 
Obama is running in 2012. this is a certainty.

he already has his reelection machine up and running in Chicago.

http://www.politico.com/politico44/...012_c6f02358-727a-45ee-a9e5-6dd076ea364a.html

President Obama will be putting together a re-election team and his 2012 campaign will be based in Chicago starting in March or April of this year.

David Axelrod and Jim Messina will be leaving the White House to begin work on the re-election campaign once it is formed.
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something catastrophic would have to happen for him not to run, like footage surfacing of him attending a neo-nazi rally while raping a puppy.
 
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I don't know, there seems to be a lot of unhappy people on the left and Hillary is very popular. I bet she would win the Democratic nomination.
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IMO, the left does not find Hillary more attractive than Obama by much if at all.

But for other reasons, there's a chance she could replace/trade places with Biden as VP.
 
tweaker2 said:
I'd like to know how she really and truly feels about NAFTA first. Obama, AFAIK, has done an about face on his campaign promise to re-negotiate this agreement.

Her ties with Walmart hasn't done her any good either. So I'm wondering what her real and true feelings are about unions too.
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How Hillary feels is exactly how she feels you want her to feel on something. Whatever she needs to say to get your vote, that's what she'll say. Unless she feels she can get more votes by taking an opposite position. The only feeling Politicians have is the feeling of needing to get re-elected, or money. Everything is calculated to that objective.

Chuck
 
I have to question the chuckie2 contention of "How Hillary feels is exactly how she feels you want her to feel on something. Whatever she needs to say to get your vote, that's what she'll say."

As if that sin is and remains a sole Hillary sin and is confined to only Hillary herself. And there is no other politician in the history of the entire world that is not just like Hillary.

Chuckie2, are you just a fool or a just a troll? The final Hillary legacy is yet to be written, but no male or female GOP politician in 2012 could amount to more than a pimple on Hillary's butt. One day there will be a female POTUS of the USA, and if it not Hillary, it will be a new generation of Hillary female democrats she inspired.

But maybe point granted, Hillary would have been a shoe in for the democratic nomination for Prez in 2008 if she did not bet wrong on Iraq. And when Obama bet right, it cost Hillary the 2008 democratic nomination. How many Republirts politicians bet right on Iraq? Try zero.
 
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How did you read all that and possibly miss the last two sentences in my post?

Also, do you have some mental problem is using the big Quote button they've so graciously coded into this BBS software? How hard is it to hit Quote? Do you do it on purpose, to be consistently mildly annoying (less so than your posts), or do you really not get how Quote works? Try it...you'll like it, and, so will we all...

Chuck
 
P.S. I could care less if there's a female POTUS. Likely it'll be a Dem. Could you all just elect someone this time who actually has some real world experience other than community organizer? Hillary would actually have been preferable to the guy that wanted to run to set himself up for a later POTUS win but ended up winning the nomination because of no one liking Hillary...er, I mean, your O'Bummer.
 
Hillary has come to the conclusion that she can't beat Obama in 2012 and that by 2016 she will be too old and so she is going to finish her term as Sec State and then retire.

BTW she is 63 now, would be 65 in 2012 and 69 in 2016. So she would still be younger than McCain in 2016, so perhaps she would give it a shot. Especially if Obama loses in 2012 and his replacement screws up.
 
If there is at all a chance Hillary could make a run for POTUS in 2016, she will do it. Her Dr.'s could tell her that she'll die the day after she's inaugarated, and she'd still do it. Give up chance to be POTUS? Give up chance to be first woman POTUS? Give up chance to be first couple that were both POTUS's? Combine all that plus career politician, does anyone think she'd give that chance up????
 
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