Hillary flip-flops on Iraq in the same interview

[Uhtrinity]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity
Exactly. The "war on terror" should be police or special forces action. Not a full scale occupation.

And who's going to do the "policing"?

Special Forces aren't designed for that.

Local and regional police. Worked well enough in Germany recently for the right wingers to tout.

You just don't get it, send in a few hundred thousand and you piss off the extremists, and they can get more recruits. Police and use covert ops and just target the extremists. Use the special ops to take out the heads, use the police to control everyone else. Never said the covert ops need to police too. They are almost as unsuited for the task as our conventional armies.

Covert ops and police ..... not armies to do regime change and nation building ....

 

[Uhtrinity]

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity
Exactly. The "war on terror" should be police or special forces action. Not a full scale occupation.

And who's going to do the "policing"?

Special Forces aren't designed for that.

And lets add the fact that special forces units do a lousy job of combating terrorism. The one shining example cited for the surge, and the biggest defeat to Al-Quida which is about 15% of the insurgencies problem in Iraq, is Anbar, and that was a political deal that had nothing to do with the surge.

The notion that terrorism can be fought is a myth, we can only reduce the root causes of terrorism and now we have created feudalism in Iraq instead.

Sorry, read my last post for a better description. I agree, special ops have their own purpose, just like swat teams, detectives, and normal street cops. Right now we have regular Army and Marines serving these purposes in Iraq which is wrong.

 

[ProfJohn]

I think some of you on the left are missing something.

Hillary is trying to pass herself off as an anti-war candidate. But she really isn?t the anti-war candidate, if anything she is the ?smaller war? candidate.

I am not sure how happy the moveon.org and dailykos types will be when the learn Hillary plans to leave as many as 50,000 troops in Iraq for the foreseeable future.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I think some of you on the left are missing something.

Hillary is trying to pass herself off as an anti-war candidate. But she really isn?t the anti-war candidate, if anything she is the ?smaller war? candidate.

I am not sure how happy the moveon.org and dailykos types will be when the learn Hillary plans to leave as many as 50,000 troops in Iraq for the foreseeable future.

They're fringe left so they're irrelevant among the 100M+ that vote. Like nearly all your posts and all of your opinions, they just don't have much impact.

 

[ProfJohn]

I think they have a LOT more impact within the party than you are willing to admit.

The anti-war DailyKos types defeated Joe Lieberman in the Democratic Primary. After which Joe won an easy victory in the general election.

Moveon.org went so far as to claim that they ?own? the Democrat Party due to the $300 million they helped raise for the Democrats.

While these groups may only represent a quarter of the people who will vote in the general election next fall, they represent well over half the people who will vote in the primaries.

An even bigger problem for Hillary would be if these groups became so upset with Hillary that they either sat at home or voted for a third party candidate. Hillary needs every Democrat she can get for her to have a chance at the White House.

 

[nageov3t]

I thought Hillary was going with that... what was it, the Baker plan?

wherein we withdraw all major combat forces, turn security over to the Iraqi government, and leave some special ops teams in Iraq to go after terrorists.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: loki8481
I thought Hillary was going with that... what was it, the Baker plan?

wherein we withdraw all major combat forces, turn security over to the Iraqi government, and leave some special ops teams in Iraq to go after terrorists.

I believe the plan she endorsed last fall called for about 50,000 troops to stay in Iraq.

Of course she may have changed her mind on that by now.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I think they have a LOT more impact within the party than you are willing to admit.

The anti-war DailyKos types defeated Joe Lieberman in the Democratic Primary. After which Joe won an easy victory in the general election.

Moveon.org went so far as to claim that they ?own? the Democrat Party due to the $300 million they helped raise for the Democrats.

While these groups may only represent a quarter of the people who will vote in the general election next fall, they represent well over half the people who will vote in the primaries.

An even bigger problem for Hillary would be if these groups became so upset with Hillary that they either sat at home or voted for a third party candidate. Hillary needs every Democrat she can get for her to have a chance at the White House.

Nothing really of substance here. A MoveOn statement that can't be proved accurate and Lieberman aren't good examples of anything other than they're still extreme fringe. Your notion that they represent a quarter of the people who will vote in the general election is also fantasy in the extreme (which you can't and won't support with reliable statistical data).

 

[Lemon law]

Once again Non prof John, you need to learn to troll under your own bridge. Hillary can't do squat until she is either President or the the rest of the GOP deserts GWB.

When that happens the situation may well look different. You can accuse her of flip flopping then, for now you had better worry about GWB and the GOP who are stuck on just plain flop. WE just don't know how many more pooches GWB&co. will screw and how much worse he can screw up Iraq yet. Until we know, how can we expect anyone to define their reaction of what to do next?

The fact is the rest of the GOP candidates don't have a clear position on Iraq and its not advisable for them to given the changing dynamic of Iraq. For now, the important battle will be in congress over Iraq war funding. Even though the GOP spun moveon.org brilliantly, spin does not mean squat either.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: loki8481
I thought Hillary was going with that... what was it, the Baker plan?

wherein we withdraw all major combat forces, turn security over to the Iraqi government, and leave some special ops teams in Iraq to go after terrorists.

I believe the plan she endorsed last fall called for about 50,000 troops to stay in Iraq.

Of course she may have changed her mind on that by now.

Absolutely

The more times she changes her mind to blow yours the better :thumbsup: :laugh:

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
They're fringe left so they're irrelevant among the 100M+ that vote. Like nearly all your posts and all of your opinions, they just don't have much impact.

That's what the MSM and the left-wingers like yourself would like us to believe. The truth is that MoveOn.org has bought and paid for the Democratic Party. To the tune of over $300 Million Dollars and growing. They're gaining influence within the party and have the so-called "leaders" bending over at every turn.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
They're fringe left so they're irrelevant among the 100M+ that vote. Like nearly all your posts and all of your opinions, they just don't have much impact.

That's what the MSM and the left-wingers like yourself would like us to believe. The truth is that MoveOn.org has bought and paid for the Democratic Party. To the tune of over $300 Million Dollars and growing. They're gaining influence within the party and have the so-called "leaders" bending over at every turn.

Sounds like left wingers. Bunch of homo-gays.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
They're fringe left so they're irrelevant among the 100M+ that vote. Like nearly all your posts and all of your opinions, they just don't have much impact.

That's what the MSM and the left-wingers like yourself would like us to believe. The truth is that MoveOn.org has bought and paid for the Democratic Party. To the tune of over $300 Million Dollars and growing. They're gaining influence within the party and have the so-called "leaders" bending over at every turn.

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
They're fringe left so they're irrelevant among the 100M+ that vote. Like nearly all your posts and all of your opinions, they just don't have much impact.

That's what the MSM and the left-wingers like yourself would like us to believe. The truth is that MoveOn.org has bought and paid for the Democratic Party. To the tune of over $300 Million Dollars and growing. They're gaining influence within the party and have the so-called "leaders" bending over at every turn.

Sounds like left wingers. Bunch of homo-gays.

Good, the bigger the better against the PNAC's of the radical righties.

I hope all the "Log Cabin Republicans" have moved over to MoveOn as well. :thumbsup:

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
They're fringe left so they're irrelevant among the 100M+ that vote. Like nearly all your posts and all of your opinions, they just don't have much impact.

That's what the MSM and the left-wingers like yourself would like us to believe. The truth is that MoveOn.org has bought and paid for the Democratic Party. To the tune of over $300 Million Dollars and growing. They're gaining influence within the party and have the so-called "leaders" bending over at every turn.

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
They're fringe left so they're irrelevant among the 100M+ that vote. Like nearly all your posts and all of your opinions, they just don't have much impact.

That's what the MSM and the left-wingers like yourself would like us to believe. The truth is that MoveOn.org has bought and paid for the Democratic Party. To the tune of over $300 Million Dollars and growing. They're gaining influence within the party and have the so-called "leaders" bending over at every turn.

Sounds like left wingers. Bunch of homo-gays.

Good, the bigger the better against the PNAC's of the radical righties.

I hope all the "Log Cabin Republicans" have moved over to MoveOn as well. :thumbsup:

I haven't even visited MoveOn to check it out, because I refuse to give them the site hit.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: loki8481
I thought Hillary was going with that... what was it, the Baker plan?

wherein we withdraw all major combat forces, turn security over to the Iraqi government, and leave some special ops teams in Iraq to go after terrorists.

I believe the plan she endorsed last fall called for about 50,000 troops to stay in Iraq.

Of course she may have changed her mind on that by now.

you say that like it's a bad thing... god forbid someone should let a constantly changing situation change their outlook on it.

better she should stay the course? whoever gets elected won't have the option of running out the clock like GW has been doing.

 

[randym431]

Aw you're just mad shes going to be the next president. A Clinton, and a woman.
I went to the Harkin steak fry here in ia and was over whelmed by the support she gets, and from all walks of life. Farmers that you'd think would never be for Hillary, a woman or another Clinton were as electrified as could be.
She's going to be VERY hard to beat!!! She's like a rock star.