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Hillary Clinton Wears $12,495 Armani Jacket During Speech About Inequality

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glenn1 said:
Sad thing is that it doesn't take a particularly amazing skillset to make $15/hour, pretty much the list below.

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BS.

So being an non creative drone that possess no skills, qualifies in your book I take it.

I've worked with people in the past that could pass all those qualifications that screwed things up way more than they accomplished.
 
umbrella39 said:
ZFG... She should have wore a black plastic bag instead... DERP
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Yeah, because there's nothing between $12k outfit and a plastic bag. Derp indeed.

If you're going to go out and preach that wealth inequality is a big problem and that you're going to fix it, then perhaps you might not want to be a hypocrite about it.
 
PokerGuy said:
Yeah, because there's nothing between $12k outfit and a plastic bag. Derp indeed.

If you're going to go out and preach that wealth inequality is a big problem and that you're going to fix it, then perhaps you might not want to be a hypocrite about it.
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Especially when your wealth was built by peddling influence rather than actually working for a change.
 
PokerGuy said:
Yeah, because there's nothing between $12k outfit and a plastic bag. Derp indeed.

If you're going to go out and preach that wealth inequality is a big problem and that you're going to fix it, then perhaps you might not want to be a hypocrite about it.
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You probably shouldn't comment on the topic when it's clear you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. Hint: wealth inequality is a symptom not the issue.
 
Maybe the reason it cost so much was because it was bulletproof against sniper fire? Plus possibly had holders for hot sauce? Maybe it even had a 'talk more Black/Southern' feature? I mean, it's Billary...the possibilities are endless here...
 
ivwshane said:
You probably shouldn't comment on the topic when it's clear you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. Hint: wealth inequality is a symptom not the issue.
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Yeah, peddling influence to the ruling elite, like goldman sachs, and china, to perpetuate offshoring, illegal immigration, and favorable tax schemes is the cause. But I am sure glad she has never done any of that.

Ohh, shit.
 
PokerGuy said:
Being wealthy and successful is not a bad thing, it's a good thing --- unless you're one of those stupid lefties who rails against the wealthy/successful. That's not the point. She can certainly wear whatever she can afford, which is a lot. What makes it an issue is that she's yapping about wealth inequality, doing so wearing something that most people can't possibly afford. Like svenla mentioned, it's like Gore yapping about reducing your carbon footprint while using 10x more than any other normal family. It's the typical. "do as I say, not as I do".



If she's pushing to close the "wealth inequality gap", she can lead by example. Live the change she's advocating. She can pay more taxes instead of using loopholes, she can donate her wealth isntead of buying $12k suits etc. That would be honest. Flapping your gums about fixing the problem while not doing anything personally is just typical politician bs. Trump does all the same things, but he's not the one who pretends to care and fight for the little people -- she is.



That's what politicians want, for you to listen to what they want you to hear, you're much better off looking at what they do instead of what they say. What she says: "income inequality is terrible, the little people need more!". What she does: "collect huge speaking fees, wear super expensive crap, do nothing for the people".



I don't think this hypocrisy is at the top of anyone's list of issues with her. It's just one small show of hypocrisy, there are far bigger problems with her.
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I don't believe a lot of people hold Hilary up for her consistency. But, people will vote for her because of that message and the belief the democratic party as a whole will do more to make it happen.

That being said, what do you think of Pastors who fly around in Jets or wear thousand dollar suits? Do you think they are hypocrites?

Or what about Trump who speaks about companies sending Jobs to China, yet most of his products are made outside of the US? If he is going to champion that issue do you not find it more so hypocritical than Hilary wearing an expensive suit?
 
I can see why people are taking issue with this. Whether or not Trump is similar or worse is a totally separate matter, or at least I think it should be. There's value in criticizing our potential and current leaders that goes beyond simply fighting for the other side. These people should be held accountable even if their opponent is worse.

I'm not going to decry wealth or advocate taking her money away or anything like that. But I can see how high end designer suits like this look like a status symbol. A way of signalling your wealth and elite status. A sign of excess. A component of the kind of excessive luxurious lifestyle that drives greedy Wall Street execs to make as much money as possible at detriment to the public. The sort of people she's addressed at Goldman Sachs.

But that's kind of harsh and presumptuous, not giving her any benefit of the doubt. This could really all come down to wanting to spend a lot of money to try to narrowly optimize how people perceive her as a public figure and not for the typical rich-people motivations. Her staff is probably deciding her wardrobe for her anyway.
 
I always love seeing the wealth inequality two step in action.

If someone is poor and is arguing against wealth inequality then say they just want free stuff from other people.

If someone is rich and is arguing against wealth inequality call them a hypocrite.

It's perfect, no matter who is saying it is a problem you have a ready made reason to ignore them. Avoid uncomfortable thoughts!
 
Exophase said:
I can see why people are taking issue with this. Whether or not Trump is similar or worse is a totally separate matter, or at least I think it should be. There's value in criticizing our potential and current leaders that goes beyond simply fighting for the other side. These people should be held accountable even if their opponent is worse.

I'm not going to decry wealth or advocate taking her money away or anything like that. But I can see how high end designer suits like this look like a status symbol. A way of signalling your wealth and elite status. A sign of excess. A component of the kind of excessive luxurious lifestyle that drives greedy Wall Street execs to make as much money as possible at detriment to the public. The sort of people she's addressed at Goldman Sachs.

But that's kind of harsh and presumptuous, not giving her any benefit of the doubt. This could really all come down to wanting to spend a lot of money to try to narrowly optimize how people perceive her as a public figure and not for the typical rich-people motivations. Her staff is probably deciding her wardrobe for her anyway.
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I can agree with that. My issue with this post is the inconsistency of it. You can't hold one candidate to one standard, harp on it and make it a nuclear issue, yet give the other candidate a pass. If we are speaking of Hilary's inconsistencies, we should be at least consistent with our criticism.
 
emperus said:
That being said, what do you think of Pastors who fly around in Jets or wear thousand dollar suits? Do you think they are hypocrites?
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I find them to be worse than hypocrites, they are scumbag criminals IMO. They are taking money from people who very often don't have much to begin with under the guise of doing good things for the needy, and then turn around and use it for their own luxury. 😡

Or what about Trump who speaks about companies sending Jobs to China, yet most of his products are made outside of the US? If he is going to champion that issue do you not find it more so hypocritical than Hilary wearing an expensive suit?
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I think there is some hypocrisy there, but there is a strong argument for doing exactly what his companies have done: they have to in order to stay in business and make a profit - those are the biggest goals of the business. She doesn't have to wear some exorbitantly expensive outfit, she chooses to while lecturing the rest of us about wealth inequality. Want to do something about it hildebeast? How about lead by example.
 
Exophase said:
I can see why people are taking issue with this. Whether or not Trump is similar or worse is a totally separate matter, or at least I think it should be. There's value in criticizing our potential and current leaders that goes beyond simply fighting for the other side. These people should be held accountable even if their opponent is worse.

I'm not going to decry wealth or advocate taking her money away or anything like that. But I can see how high end designer suits like this look like a status symbol. A way of signalling your wealth and elite status. A sign of excess. A component of the kind of excessive luxurious lifestyle that drives greedy Wall Street execs to make as much money as possible at detriment to the public. The sort of people she's addressed at Goldman Sachs.

But that's kind of harsh and presumptuous, not giving her any benefit of the doubt. This could really all come down to wanting to spend a lot of money to try to narrowly optimize how people perceive her as a public figure and not for the typical rich-people motivations. Her staff is probably deciding her wardrobe for her anyway.
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How was it signalling anything?

I would wager that virtually nobody would have even known the cost of her outfit if the NY Post (what a worthless rag) hadn't published an article about it.
 
MrPickins said:
How was it signalling anything?

I would wager that virtually nobody would have even known the cost of her outfit if the NY Post (what a worthless rag) hadn't published an article about it.
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Filthy animals, reporting the truth about her hypocrisy!
 
MrPickins said:
How was it signalling anything?

I would wager that virtually nobody would have even known the cost of her outfit if the NY Post (what a worthless rag) hadn't published an article about it.
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If nobody can tell the difference between a cheap one and such an expensive one, why wear the expensive one if nobody can tell the difference? That's even dumber then.

How dare that evil outlet not bow to the queen and her minions like the rest of the media??? They must be punished! 😉
 
MrPickins said:
How was it signalling anything?

I would wager that virtually nobody would have even known the cost of her outfit if the NY Post (what a worthless rag) hadn't published an article about it.
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People are probably reacting more to the "Armani" part as a signal than the cost. Some brands are pretty commonly recognized as luxurious.

If such signalling wasn't effective I don't think Armani would be able to charge what they do.
 
PokerGuy said:
I think there is some hypocrisy there, but there is a strong argument for doing exactly what his companies have done: they have to in order to stay in business and make a profit - those are the biggest goals of the business. She doesn't have to wear some exorbitantly expensive outfit, she chooses to while lecturing the rest of us about wealth inequality. Want to do something about it hildebeast? How about lead by example.
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wait, what?

Isn't Trump promising to Make America Great Again! by bringing jobs back from Mexico and China and making business more successful and the best ever and therefore able to make more jobs and people have more money and be happy and great?

well, that isn't really a question--that is exactly what he is saying.

So, if you are acknowledging that good businesses send jobs to Mexico and China only because it makes sense--it makes them better businesses--then aren't you acknowledging that he really is nothing more than a lying hypocrite scumbag?
 
Exophase said:
People are probably reacting more to the "Armani" part as a signal than the cost. Some brands are pretty commonly recognized as luxurious.

If such signalling wasn't effective I don't think Armani would be able to charge what they do.
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That's my point, though. What percentage of people do you think could identify it as Armani?

I'd wager that it's an extremely low number.


ivwshane said:
buckshot24 said:
Filthy animals, reporting the truth about her hypocrisy!
I don't think you or others in this thread know what hypocrisy mean. Either that or you don't understand hillarys position.
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I don't think you or others in this thread know what hypocrisy mean. Either that or you don't understand hillarys position.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/plan-raise-american-incomes/
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Exactly this.

Being rich in no way means you can't speak against income inequality.

I'm not Hillary's biggest fan, but I have a hard time seeing how this is anything other than a manufactured issue
 
zinfamous said:
wait, what?

Isn't Trump promising to Make America Great Again! by bringing jobs back from Mexico and China and making business more successful and the best ever and therefore able to make more jobs and people have more money and be happy and great?

well, that isn't really a question--that is exactly what he is saying.

So, if you are acknowledging that good businesses send jobs to Mexico and China only because it makes sense--it makes them better businesses--then aren't you acknowledging that he really is nothing more than a lying hypocrite scumbag?
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What are you talking about man? We know from Lefties that unless compelled by law, people cannot possibly voluntarily follow their own ideology. So what is the problem?
 
zinfamous said:
wait, what?

Isn't Trump promising to Make America Great Again! by bringing jobs back from Mexico and China and making business more successful and the best ever and therefore able to make more jobs and people have more money and be happy and great?

well, that isn't really a question--that is exactly what he is saying.

So, if you are acknowledging that good businesses send jobs to Mexico and China only because it makes sense--it makes them better businesses--then aren't you acknowledging that he really is nothing more than a lying hypocrite scumbag?
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If you create an environment where it's more advantageous for companies to keep the work here rather than sending it overseas, then companies would do it. I have no idea how he plans to accomplish that, it sounds like the usual politician bs to me. However, since companies have to compete with other companies, they are forced to take whatever steps make them most cost-efficient and successful, which can include sending jobs overseas. Blaming the company is pointless, they have to play within a competitive environment.

Wearing a $12k outfit is of course within her right, but it exposes the hypocrisy of someone who can afford to blow $12k on something trivial lecturing the rest of us about wealth inequality.
 
PokerGuy said:
Wearing a $12k outfit is of course within her right, but it exposes the hypocrisy of someone who can afford to blow $12k on something trivial lecturing the rest of us about wealth inequality.
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So, what you're saying is she needs to give all her money away before she can work on the issue?

That's just plain stupid.


Do you also think that Bill Gates is a hypocrite for his clean water initiatives when he himself has access to all the potable water he could ever want?
 
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