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Hillary Clinton took a gamble with her own money, lost, now she's crying for help
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RightIsWrong
Diamond Member
Does anyone know if the campaign debt to outsiders has to be paid prior to any personal loans?
It would really blow dog if these politicians on both sides were able to run up as much debt as they wanted via normal campaigning and personal loans and then get to pay the loans back first and then stop even trying to pay back everyone else.
It would really blow dog if these politicians on both sides were able to run up as much debt as they wanted via normal campaigning and personal loans and then get to pay the loans back first and then stop even trying to pay back everyone else.
BladeVenom
Lifer
Well it's common practice for politicians to be corrupt liars, doesn't mean they shouldn't be called out for it, or accountable for the debt.
She could easily pay that out of her own pocket.
kage69
Lifer
No sympathy for her at all, no one forced her to use her own money and she knew what she'd be facing if she didn't win. Hillary could have kept a stiff upper lip about this and gained perhaps a hint of respect for it (don't recall Ross Perot throwing a pity party like this) from her detractors, but now this will be thrown into the "Oh she's crying again!" bucket.
Meh.
You need help (but then most people here know that already I suppose) For years you've applauded the Bush admin for screwing everything they've come into contact with, far more egregious than some sandwich vendors and sound technicians getting stiffed, yet Hillary is a disgrace for having money problems.
Your criteria for 'disgrace' is as warped as the rest of you it seems. :disgust:
You cheerleaders are the worst.
Meh.
You need help (but then most people here know that already I suppose) For years you've applauded the Bush admin for screwing everything they've come into contact with, far more egregious than some sandwich vendors and sound technicians getting stiffed, yet Hillary is a disgrace for having money problems.
Your criteria for 'disgrace' is as warped as the rest of you it seems. :disgust:
You cheerleaders are the worst.
This whole thing is rather annoying. It's easier for a lot of people to pay 5 dollars than one person to pay 10 million. And Democrats can benefit from a happy Clinton. Also there is a natural tendency to be generous in victory.
On the other hand she borrowed money to stay in a race she was losing and caused lots of extra grief to folk like me who didn't want her to win, and there's the whole business of personal responsibility. I don't like the idea that she could gratify her egotistical need to continue a race she couldn't win and avoid the consequences any more than I like the idea that Bush has not been impeached. A lack of character isn't fixed in any one party, but because the Republicans make a big issue of their pig behavior they call character, I don't much like seeing Democrats act the same.
Somehow I see her getting the money which will just encourage the next egotistical candidate to think she or he can also pull this off. I don't like that either. I don't like punishing losers either though so whatever happens happens I guess. I'm not sure were I want to come down on this. It's all part of the pain in the ass that comes from being a nice person, I guess.
On the other hand she borrowed money to stay in a race she was losing and caused lots of extra grief to folk like me who didn't want her to win, and there's the whole business of personal responsibility. I don't like the idea that she could gratify her egotistical need to continue a race she couldn't win and avoid the consequences any more than I like the idea that Bush has not been impeached. A lack of character isn't fixed in any one party, but because the Republicans make a big issue of their pig behavior they call character, I don't much like seeing Democrats act the same.
Somehow I see her getting the money which will just encourage the next egotistical candidate to think she or he can also pull this off. I don't like that either. I don't like punishing losers either though so whatever happens happens I guess. I'm not sure were I want to come down on this. It's all part of the pain in the ass that comes from being a nice person, I guess.
she and Bill could spend the rest of the summer making speeches at private dinners to pay back the debts, but that's going to limit their ability to raise funds for Obama and other democrats across the country.
the faster Billary gets back to pimping themselves out for the party the better.
Back in February/March, after Obama won like 13 in a row, it was pretty obvious the math would never add up to a win for her.
It was a gamble before it became obvious she would never win. After that, it was a screw up to stay in the race, loaning herself money in a race that had only one conclusion.
We all knew that the supers would back whichever candidate had the most electoral votes. Only the unrealistic and the blind, believed any other conclusion was possible.
Spending all these months and all that money on the slim chance that Obama would hurt himself so bad that he became unelectable, and the supers over rode the voters, was just stupid.
jonks
Lifer
You stated that the conclusion to a race for an elected office was decided at some point in February/March, several months before the final contests would be held. I'm not going to bother posting articles/links to show you where the campaign of a clear frontrunner/annointed one came to a crashing and immediate halt because of a scandal. If your point is that such a thing never happened, I think you are the one who might have some trouble defending it.
And if the bolding and my comment weren't enough for you to figure out my point, you aren't much of a student of dialectic either.
Fern
Elite Member
Whether she should have stayed in the race or not is just a secondary point IMO.
No matter the lenght of time, she flat-out didn't budget properly or plan her campaign wisely. She then compounded that error by gambling with high debt.
She could've stayed in the race, just cut back on spending. She was getting tons of free MSM coverage anyway. She won in my area of NC without any TV ads. She has great name recognition; she blew money needlessly IMO.
The debt she incurred didn't make her financially competitive with Obama anyway.
Overall, the $20M is not that much in the context of what she raised/spent over the entire campaign. A little less extravagent spending in the early part would have served her well too (poor budgeting).
Fern
No matter the lenght of time, she flat-out didn't budget properly or plan her campaign wisely. She then compounded that error by gambling with high debt.
She could've stayed in the race, just cut back on spending. She was getting tons of free MSM coverage anyway. She won in my area of NC without any TV ads. She has great name recognition; she blew money needlessly IMO.
The debt she incurred didn't make her financially competitive with Obama anyway.
Overall, the $20M is not that much in the context of what she raised/spent over the entire campaign. A little less extravagent spending in the early part would have served her well too (poor budgeting).
Fern
Capt Caveman
Lifer
Correct. Happens every election. You folks act like it's your first election.
WhipperSnapper
Lifer
They can think of it...as having made a campaign contribution <g>. I wonder though, who is there to sue (a bankrupt campaign?) and can they touch the Clintons' own personal money?
The post about the school district was interesting. A private business could probably get away with writing off the loss as a campaign contribution in the owner's mind, but a school district answers to the people in the district and not all of them are Hillary lovers and some might be angry that their tax money ended up getting used for political purposes. The thought of the ruckus this could cause is so juicy. Perhaps the local school board members should pay the costs out of their own pockets.
WhipperSnapper
Lifer
She's going to have to make lots of speeches and appearances at, say, $50,000 a pop.
WhipperSnapper
Lifer
Heh heh. Well, it was always (and still is) possible that a radical gender feminist might knock off Obama to clear the way for her ala RFK. Can't you just imagine a woman dying for the sisterhood and the cause of having a woman president in our lifetimes? I can.
Remember the Ellen Jamesians from The World According to Garp? Yes, I know that that's just fiction, but I can see one of those types shooting Obama.
palehorse
Lifer
ummm, so let me get this straight... Hillary says that she "needs" the help of her working-class supporters to help pay off her own "debts"? All the while she's still sitting on tens/hundreds of millions of dollars in her own personal accounts?!?
wow, that's simply twisted...
fuck her.
wow, that's simply twisted...
fuck her.
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