Hillary Clinton exclusively used personal emails at st dpt

[nickqt]

Gawd. I know why you didn't actually quote the article-



The fact that the Clintons can schmooze cash out of the plutocracy is a good sign. The rest of us won't see much of it any other way. How far do you think we'll get otherwise with a reactionary Repub congress, anyway?

The default answer is BothSides™. Otherwise we have to admit that one major political party is fraught with hypocrisy, corruption and all of the bad things of politics...with the other party being batshit insane.

We gotta keep up the divide and conquer kabuki for as long as possible because horserace political coverage is all we're allowed now, since it means more money for all the right people as they finish buying up the government.

 

[OutHouse]

maybe the patriots should have asked hillary to delete the ball deflating text.

 

[Jhhnn]

The default answer is BothSides™. Otherwise we have to admit that one major political party is fraught with hypocrisy, corruption and all of the bad things of politics...with the other party being batshit insane.

We gotta keep up the divide and conquer kabuki for as long as possible because horserace political coverage is all we're allowed now, since it means more money for all the right people as they finish buying up the government.

Remember how only Nixon could go to China? Only wealthy power players can go to the plutocracy for concessions. That, or a societal epiphany like the one we had in the early years of the great depression.

After 35 years of deceitful trickle down Reaganomics, they pretty much Rule, particularly at the level of propaganda.

 

[Zorkorist]

After 35 years of un abashed Government we are 18 Trillion dollars in debt.

-John

 

[cabri]

Now we are finding out that she used a second email address off the private server for government related work.

Of course this was conveniently forgotten to be mentioned.

Plus she handed the State 30,000 pages of documents. she wants those turned over to Congressional committee but State needs to redact them.

State say it will take up to 6 months; she wants them right away.

Ignoring that she did this to herself; trying to be slick by removing electronic searches is now prolonging the evaluation.

 

[Jhhnn]

Now we are finding out that she used a second email address off the private server for government related work.

Of course this was conveniently forgotten to be mentioned.

Plus she handed the State 30,000 pages of documents. she wants those turned over to Congressional committee but State needs to redact them.

State say it will take up to 6 months; she wants them right away.

Ignoring that she did this to herself; trying to be slick by removing electronic searches is now prolonging the evaluation.

Wah, wah, wah. Always assume lies & deceitful intent from Hillary, always excuse the same thing from the other side, your team, like the run up to the invasion of Iraq.

Six months to redact the documents? That just leaves more time for conspiracy theorizing & the casting of aspersions, so Rejoice!

See if you can work in more Benghazi, OK? It's still a big seller out there on the right fringe.

 

[Brian Stirling]

I don't think this is an either/or thing. I don't think you have to ignore the failures of the Bush admin when you point a finger at the deceptions Hillary is known for. Typically, however, the right will focus on Hillary's questionable ethics while dismissing the harm done by Bush/Cheney while the left is quick to mention the failure of the Bush admin while excusing the actions of Hillary as mere noise.

Can't we all just get along and hate both sides?


Brian

 

[ivwshane]

I don't think this is an either/or thing. I don't think you have to ignore the failures of the Bush admin when you point a finger at the deceptions Hillary is known for. Typically, however, the right will focus on Hillary's questionable ethics while dismissing the harm done by Bush/Cheney while the left is quick to mention the failure of the Bush admin while excusing the actions of Hillary as mere noise.

Can't we all just get along and hate both sides?


Brian

What deceptions has she committed while at the state department? Have you let trey gowdy know about these? Did you tell Issa about them?

 

[Jhhnn]

I don't think this is an either/or thing. I don't think you have to ignore the failures of the Bush admin when you point a finger at the deceptions Hillary is known for. Typically, however, the right will focus on Hillary's questionable ethics while dismissing the harm done by Bush/Cheney while the left is quick to mention the failure of the Bush admin while excusing the actions of Hillary as mere noise.

Can't we all just get along and hate both sides?


Brian

So, uhh, how many lives do you think will be lost from this little fluffed up email server whoop-te-do? Do you think it'll cost us at least $1T, not counting the ongoing care for shot up, blown up & fucked up veterans? Do you think it'll crash the economy like the blind eye that the Bushistas turned on the financial sector during the Ownership Society?

Perspective. Get some.

 

[Jhhnn]

What deceptions has she committed while at the state department? Have you let trey gowdy know about these? Did you tell Issa about them?

Benghazi, Goddamit! Benghazi! It's all about Benghazi & the birth certificate! And Vince Foster! OMG! Oh the Humanity!

 

[ivwshane]

Benghazi, Goddamit! Benghazi! It's all about Benghazi & the birth certificate! And Vince Foster! OMG! Oh the Humanity!

Look, I'm all about transparency and proper record keeping but to throw accusations of wrong doing against some, AFTER multiple investigations that have found NOTHING just gets old and annoying. Sure the bubble dwellers love this partisan shit but as you pointed out, they are hypocrites.

 

[Brian Stirling]

What deceptions has she committed while at the state department? Have you let trey gowdy know about these? Did you tell Issa about them?

The private server, you have heard of that -- right? It's the way she rolls and when the left dismisses this as right wing noise, well, it isn't noise.


Brian

 

[Brian Stirling]

Benghazi, Goddamit! Benghazi! It's all about Benghazi & the birth certificate! And Vince Foster! OMG! Oh the Humanity!

Do me a favor and check out what I've said about Benghazi -- your welcome!


Brian

 

[Knowing]

Why are we still talking about Benghazi? Documents on state.gov indicate State dept. knew it was terrorists, everyone of relevance knew that it was terrorists. The video story was completely made up. Why are we debating Benghazi as if the facts aren't well known? What difference at this point, does it make?

Also, these.

The attack was planned ten or more days prior on approximately 01 September 2012. The intention was to attack the consulate and to kill as many Americans as possible to seek revenge for U.S. killing of Aboyahiye ((ALALIBY)) in Pakistan and in memorial of the 11 September 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center buildings.

Although, this does beg the question if RUEHC/SECSTATE WASHDC/ received this report how did she interact with it or communicate about it without using email?

Further, if everyone knew that weapons were flowing through Libya to Syria then why was anyone "surprised" about ISIS since it was known that the Syrian resistance was substantially composed of foreign radicals?

 

[Jhhnn]

Why are we still talking about Benghazi? Documents on state.gov indicate State dept. knew it was terrorists, everyone of relevance knew that it was terrorists. The video story was completely made up. Why are we debating Benghazi as if the facts aren't well known? What difference at this point, does it make?

Also, these.

Although, this does beg the question if RUEHC/SECSTATE WASHDC/ received this report how did she interact with it or communicate about it without using email?

Further, if everyone knew that weapons were flowing through Libya to Syria then why was anyone "surprised" about ISIS since it was known that the Syrian resistance was substantially composed of foreign radicals?

I just knew y'all could squeeze in more Benghazi with a little encouragement! Bravo!

WARNING: THIS IS AN INFORMATION REPORT, NOT FINALLY EVALUATED INTELLIGENCE.

Duh.

And what exactly does the allegation of smuggling thru benghazi to syria have to do with the attack on the embassy?

Nothing at all other than in the fevered delusions of conspiracy theory conflationists.

Bet you didn't know that.

 

[Bowfinger]

The private server, you have heard of that -- right? It's the way she rolls and when the left dismisses this as right wing noise, well, it isn't noise.


Brian

It would be easier to take the right's cries seriously had they shown the same outrage at H.Clinton's predecessors, Rice and Powell, who also used personal email while in office, or at the Bush White House officials who used RNC email addresses. I personally think all of these are inappropriate. It's hard to get too frothy at Clinton when she was following such precedents.

 

[ivwshane]

The private server, you have heard of that -- right? It's the way she rolls and when the left dismisses this as right wing noise, well, it isn't noise.


Brian

Did she hide the fact she was using a private server? Was it against policy?

You might be a right winger if all you have is right wing talking points

 

[Brian Stirling]

I just knew y'all could squeeze in more Benghazi with a little encouragement! Bravo!



Duh.

And what exactly does the allegation of smuggling thru benghazi to syria have to do with the attack on the embassy?

Nothing at all other than in the fevered delusions of conspiracy theory conflationists.

Bet you didn't know that.

Look, when Benghazi happened and there was this anti-Muslim movie that provoked protests around the embassy the typical right wing shills probably realized they had a problem given the verbal support they've provided to folks like the movie producers and they appeared to have decided the best defense is a great offense. They then revved up the BBSS (Benghazi Bull Shit Story) and the brain dead followers lapped it up like kittens.

And, as I've said before, it is true that the Ambassador and Secretary of State made some errors but those errors were precisely the kind of errors that pretty much every military officer makes during the heat of battle.

But this doesn't matter to the koolaid crowd and they will continue to push this nonsense forever. There are still those on the right that don't believe or say they don't believe that Obama is an American and that he is a Muslim. This will never change -- it is what it is...


Brian

 

[Knowing]

And what exactly does the allegation of smuggling thru benghazi to syria have to do with the attack on the embassy?

I already said that the smuggling was related to ISIS. I didn't say that the smuggling had anything to do with the attack except that both were reported on in this memo.

Are we still going with the "conspiracy theory" that the state department knew within 24 hours that terrorists had taken responsibility, that DoD & State had credible intelligence that this was being planned for at least 10 days but still decided to blame a youtube video and rehash talking points to avoid referencing the intelligence they had because they really super serial believed that the video (for which they have provided no credible intelligence) was the cause of a mortar and squad weapon attack on a US diplomatic mission?

Is that really the story we're going with, that the president, secretary of state, and DoD are so utterly incompetent that a youtube video was found to be more compelling than an abundance of other data that "just happened" to turn out to be true?

You do realize that the woman who "accidentally" ignored intelligence intends to be president, right?

 

[ivwshane]

I already said that the smuggling was related to ISIS. I didn't say that the smuggling had anything to do with the attack except that both were reported on in this memo.

Are we still going with the "conspiracy theory" that the state department knew within 24 hours that terrorists had taken responsibility, that DoD & State had credible intelligence that this was being planned for at least 10 days but still decided to blame a youtube video and rehash talking points to avoid referencing the intelligence they had because they really super serial believed that the video (for which they have provided no credible intelligence) was the cause of a mortar and squad weapon attack on a US diplomatic mission?

Is that really the story we're going with, that the president, secretary of state, and DoD are so utterly incompetent that a youtube video was found to be more compelling than an abundance of other data that "just happened" to turn out to be true?

You do realize that the woman who "accidentally" ignored intelligence intends to be president, right?

So you are going to continue to stick by the story that the intelligence community knew who and what was going on but decided to blame a video?

Not only would you be wrong but in rice's meet the press appearance she left open the possibility that it was a terrorist attack AND it was possible that the video could have sparked the attack.

But I guess the truth isn't as appealing.

 

[xBiffx]

This thread in a nutshell.

 

[rudeguy]

So you are going to continue to stick by the story that the intelligence community knew who and what was going on but decided to blame a video?

Not only would you be wrong but in rice's meet the press appearance she left open the possibility that it was a terrorist attack AND it was possible that the video could have sparked the attack.

But I guess the truth isn't as appealing.

except that isn't what she said. Rice said the attack in Benghazi began a spontaneous attack in response to what happened in Cairo which was in protest of a very offensive video. And that the protest in Benghazi was hijacked by individual clusters of extremists.

But I guess the truths isn't as appealing.

 

[Genx87]

Wah, wah, wah. Always assume lies & deceitful intent from Hillary, always excuse the same thing from the other side, your team, like the run up to the invasion of Iraq.

Six months to redact the documents? That just leaves more time for conspiracy theorizing & the casting of aspersions, so Rejoice!

See if you can work in more Benghazi, OK? It's still a big seller out there on the right fringe.

Christ really? Why else would somebody submit electronic documents in paper form except to be deceitful or slow the process? She is a lawyer so she understands full well what dumping documents does.

Do people understand searching electronic emails should be relatively painless? That is unless the person who doesnt want their email searched prevents this from happening?

I can search for specific words within emails to specific users down to a specific time if wanted. So why can't Clinton?

 

[Jhhnn]

I already said that the smuggling was related to ISIS. I didn't say that the smuggling had anything to do with the attack except that both were reported on in this memo.

Are we still going with the "conspiracy theory" that the state department knew within 24 hours that terrorists had taken responsibility, that DoD & State had credible intelligence that this was being planned for at least 10 days but still decided to blame a youtube video and rehash talking points to avoid referencing the intelligence they had because they really super serial believed that the video (for which they have provided no credible intelligence) was the cause of a mortar and squad weapon attack on a US diplomatic mission?

Is that really the story we're going with, that the president, secretary of state, and DoD are so utterly incompetent that a youtube video was found to be more compelling than an abundance of other data that "just happened" to turn out to be true?

You do realize that the woman who "accidentally" ignored intelligence intends to be president, right?

I can't find any reference to arms shipments in the linked document. There's also the small matter that the date of information is 16 September 2012, obviously more than 24 hrs after the attack. That doesn't fit your narrative very well, does it? False premises on your part lead to false conclusions, obviously.

Date of information 16 September 2012

More Duh.

 

[trenchfoot]

After 35 years of un abashed Government we are 18 Trillion dollars in debt.

-John

Yet still the very rich are getting so much richer while the middle class and the poor are being sent down the drain of economic demise.

Weird huh?