Hillary challenges Obama to unmoderated debate

[Superrock]

Like everybody else has alread stated, he would have absolutely nothing to gain from a debate and would just hurt his image. Hillary is getting desperate and is like the smaller army challenging the bigger army to a duel. McCain is even a worse debater than Obama is. All he does is smile and nod and give nonsensical answers like your grandfather would. Debates never help make people make up their minds, they're just ammo for people to justify their own perspective.

Bush proved that debates are wrothless by being the worst speaker in American history and being president twice.

 

[Thump553]

Originally posted by: Andyb23
Obama will in all likelihood decline...

He doesn't seem to be a very good debater mainly because of his lack of ideas. Hes a better orator and preacher.

Either you didn't watch any of the prior twenty five debates, or the above opinion is totally based upon your perceptions and biases. In the debates I've seen Obama has steadily and increasingly improved his skills-and he has always startled me at his ability to think quickly and clearly.

I totally agree with Obama that the last debate, at least, was nearly all about gossip issues, politics as normal and almost totally devoid of any discussion of any real issues. That's the kind of debate Hillary thrives on and wants, and that's the kind of political discourse that has gotten us the incredibly poor quality of "leaders" our country is presently declining under.

Hillary's strength is politics as normal, and that is the level she is trying to drag this race down to.

 

[RY62]

Originally posted by: Thump553

Originally posted by: Andyb23
Obama will in all likelihood decline...

He doesn't seem to be a very good debater mainly because of his lack of ideas. Hes a better orator and preacher.

Either you didn't watch any of the prior twenty five debates, or the above opinion is totally based upon your perceptions and biases. In the debates I've seen Obama has steadily and increasingly improved his skills-and he has always startled me at his ability to think quickly and clearly.

I totally agree with Obama that the last debate, at least, was nearly all about gossip issues, politics as normal and almost totally devoid of any discussion of any real issues. That's the kind of debate Hillary thrives on and wants, and that's the kind of political discourse that has gotten us the incredibly poor quality of "leaders" our country is presently declining under.

Hillary's strength is politics as normal, and that is the level she is trying to drag this race down to.

While he may have "steadily and increasingly improved his skills", he has also come away looking weak compared to Mrs. Clinton every time. Debates haven't helped him in any way. If I were him, I think I'd be afraid to try another one too, especially going toe to toe.

 

[jpeyton]

He's already announced he will not debate before May 6th, and the public doesn't care one way or another. Polling shows they want the primaries to be over sooner than later.

He'll seal the deal on May 6th. Once the blowout victory in North Carolina is announced, expect to see a flurry of Supers make their move.

 

[ProfJohn]

^ what's he afraid of?

 

[Vic]

Nothing. If you missed them, the other 21 debates were recorded and are probably all up on youtube. In the meantime, he's wise not to give Hillary's bankrupt campaign any more free ad spots.

And hey, PJ, what was McCain afraid of that he only had 2 or 3 debates with Romney and Huckabee? :roll:

 

[RKDaley]

Originally posted by: Vic
Nothing. If you missed them, the other 21 debates were recorded and are probably all up on youtube. In the meantime, he's wise not to give Hillary's bankrupt campaign any more free ad spots.

Bingo.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Fern
It's just a trap.

Her whole thing now is how Obama is NOT tough enough. If he doesn't get tough with her in this debate she claims a win, he'll look weak. If he plays tough with her, he'll look bad for being tough with an old white woman and his likabiliy factor is damaged. It's a no-win situation for him, and a no-lose for her. Nobody "likes" her anyway.

He needs to play his game, not hers.

There's an old saying that goes something like this- "never wrestle with a pig, you'll just end up muddy, and the pig will enjoy it". In this case, she'll muddy him up and look all the better for it.

If I were Howard Dean, I'd tell her to stfu. I just see something like this damaging the ultimate Dem nominee (Obama) and further alienating the 2 sides (Obama & Hillary supporters).

Fern

Summed up the whole scenario perfectly.

A friend of mine said Hillary wants to be President so bad that she doesn't care if she destroyed the Democratic party... He even said if she doesn't ge tthe Dem nod that she is running Independent.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: Coldkilla
She knows that Obama can't think quick enough, so even if she does poorly, Obama will be worse off. 1-2 points for her!

Even if he does well, she knows that she's taking him away from 24 hours of direct voter contact (when you throw in travel and debate prep) -- very smart of her, given her decades-long head start in name recognition :thumbsup:

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Perknose
Can you just imagine how poorly Bush would have performed in an unmoderated debate? :shocked: :laugh: :shocked: :laugh: :shocked: :laugh: :shocked: :laugh: :shocked: :laugh:

remember his ear piece and wire setup at one of the debates? Like a monkey on strings

 

[Socio]

I don?t think Obama wants anything thing to do with debating Hillary again because he got slapped around in the last one thus has nothing to gain and everything to lose.

However I think there should be one more, it should be mandatory, it could be unmoderated or not, but with one big change. I think the American voter absolutely deserves one with them strapped live in a lie detection device where the viewing audience can see who lies and who tells the truth in real time.
Then whoever win s the democrat nomination would again be in a debate strapped to the lie detector along with McCain.

This would give us the knowledge and insight we need to make the right decision as to whom should be president of the United States.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: Socio
I don?t think Obama wants anything thing to do with debating Hillary again because he got slapped around in the last one thus has nothing to gain and everything to lose.

However I think there should be one more, it should be mandatory, it could be unmoderated or not, but with one big change. I think the American voter absolutely deserves one with them strapped live in a lie detection device where the viewing audience can see who lies and who tells the truth in real time.
Then whoever win s the democrat nomination would again be in a debate strapped to the lie detector along with McCain.

This would give us the knowledge and insight we need to make the right decision as to whom should be president of the United States.

What would happen if (s)he has told the same lie so many times that (s)he now believes it?

 

[lopri]

Originally posted by: Fern

he'll look bad for being tough with an old white woman and his likabiliy factor is damaged.

I do understand that sexism (and to an extent racism) is confused with the nature, but the underlying bias, however tacit, is still unmistakable and frustrating. While a young female Obama supporter might agree with the logic/analysis behind Obama's refusal to the debates, she's very likely take offense to 'old white (or black, hispanic, asian,..) woman', who some day will be herself.

Why are we so dull when it comes to sexism?

http://shakespearessister.blog...-castrating-bitch.html

 

[nageov3t]

it always worries me to agree with Bill Kristol, but...

Will it be left to conservatives like the estimable blogger ?Allahpundit? (at hotair.com) to (sarcastically) state the obvious? ?What?s the most efficient way to communicate with voters? Surely not at a massively promoted, televised, highly watched debate. Much better to hold a few town halls and meet and greets.?

We have had four one-on-one debates so far ? and each has been revealing. A debate without a moderator, as Clinton has suggested, could be particularly interesting. But debates would give Clinton equal time in the spotlight, and would make Obama?s advantage in paid media in Indiana and North Carolina far less significant.

On Friday in Indiana, Obama talked tough in response to a question: ?I get pretty fed up with people questioning my patriotism.? And, he continued, ?I am happy to have that debate with them any place, anytime.? He?s happy to have fantasy debates with unnamed people who are allegedly challenging his patriotism. But he?s not willing to have a real debate with the real person he?s competing against for the nomination.

Will Obama pay no price for ducking? Should paid advertisements determine the Democratic victor, not the performance of the two candidates debating at length in an unscripted setting?

Over to you, anguished liberals.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04...opinion/28kristol.html

 

[Rio Rebel]

What's wrong with outspending your opponent, when you're spending money that was sent in by supporters?

Obama had every disadvantage in this election, running against the "first family" of the democratic party, and he has raised millions and millions of dollars through small donations by individuals who in many cases are giving to a political candidate for the first time in their lives (like myself).

And this is somehow "buying" an election?

Seriously - Are you willfully taking the Hillary spin train, or do you actually buy into that?

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel
What's wrong with outspending your opponent, when you're spending money that was sent in by supporters?

Obama had every disadvantage in this election, running against the "first family" of the democratic party, and he has raised millions and millions of dollars through small donations by individuals who in many cases are giving to a political candidate for the first time in their lives (like myself).

And this is somehow "buying" an election?

Seriously - Are you willfully taking the Hillary spin train, or do you actually buy into that?

it's effective use of money to supplement campaigning, something Romney could have learned a thing or two about 🙂

edit: took it out of my post since it's a little bit hacky.

 

[lupi]

What was that line?

I smell.....

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Perknose
Can you just imagine how poorly Bush would have performed in an unmoderated debate? :shocked: :laugh: :shocked: :laugh: :shocked: :laugh: :shocked: :laugh: :shocked: :laugh:

remember his ear piece and wire setup at one of the debates? Like a monkey on strings

Racist! oh wait, you were talking about a white guy. Scratch that then. As to your friend who thinks HC will run as an Ind, smack him in the head for me. When she loses the dem nom, she will have zero $ coming in = no more campaign.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
^ what's he afraid of?

Let me give you a scenario to see if you would do the smart thing (like Obama) or the stupid thing (like...well...yourself if you believe he should).

You are in Vegas and just put your coins in the slot machine. You hit the progressive jackpot on your first spin worth $10M.

Do you:

A. Go to the blackjack table and lay it all down on a single hand

B. Realize that you have already won the prize and stop right there

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
^ what's he afraid of?

Let me give you a scenario to see if you would do the smart thing (like Obama) or the stupid thing (like...well...yourself if you believe he should).

You are in Vegas and just put your coins in the slot machine. You hit the progressive jackpot on your first spin worth $10M.

Do you:

A. Go to the blackjack table and lay it all down on a single hand

B. Realize that you have already won the prize and stop right there

Exactly. Obama is where he is only because of luck and he would be a fool to open his mouth any wider then he has to.

Lord forbid that the canidates should talk about their differences on the issues. What kind of a democracy do you think we're running here anyway?? :laugh:

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
^ what's he afraid of?

Let me give you a scenario to see if you would do the smart thing (like Obama) or the stupid thing (like...well...yourself if you believe he should).

You are in Vegas and just put your coins in the slot machine. You hit the progressive jackpot on your first spin worth $10M.

Do you:

A. Go to the blackjack table and lay it all down on a single hand

B. Realize that you have already won the prize and stop right there

Exactly. Obama is where he is only because of luck and he would be a fool to open his mouth any wider then he has to.

Lord forbid that the canidates should talk about their differences on the issues. What kind of a democracy do you think we're running here anyway?? :laugh:

There were actually issues discussed in the last dozen debates? Where the hell was I and what improv show was I watching?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
^ what's he afraid of?

Let me give you a scenario to see if you would do the smart thing (like Obama) or the stupid thing (like...well...yourself if you believe he should).

You are in Vegas and just put your coins in the slot machine. You hit the progressive jackpot on your first spin worth $10M.

Do you:

A. Go to the blackjack table and lay it all down on a single hand

B. Realize that you have already won the prize and stop right there

Exactly. Obama is where he is only because of luck and he would be a fool to open his mouth any wider then he has to.

Lord forbid that the canidates should talk about their differences on the issues. What kind of a democracy do you think we're running here anyway?? :laugh:

I see your nonsensical trolling only increases with your desperation...

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
^ what's he afraid of?

Let me give you a scenario to see if you would do the smart thing (like Obama) or the stupid thing (like...well...yourself if you believe he should).

You are in Vegas and just put your coins in the slot machine. You hit the progressive jackpot on your first spin worth $10M.

Do you:

A. Go to the blackjack table and lay it all down on a single hand

B. Realize that you have already won the prize and stop right there

Exactly. Obama is where he is only because of luck and he would be a fool to open his mouth any wider then he has to.

Lord forbid that the canidates should talk about their differences on the issues. What kind of a democracy do you think we're running here anyway?? :laugh:

I see your nonsensical trolling only increases with your desperation...

LOL, fuck off troll. If you have something to add then say it otherwise fuck you and your personal attacks. 😛

Not an acceptable way to express disagreement. Since you were given the opportunity to edit your post and you didn't, we'll see you in a week.

Rainsford
AnandTech P&N Moderator

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
^ what's he afraid of?

Let me give you a scenario to see if you would do the smart thing (like Obama) or the stupid thing (like...well...yourself if you believe he should).

You are in Vegas and just put your coins in the slot machine. You hit the progressive jackpot on your first spin worth $10M.

Do you:

A. Go to the blackjack table and lay it all down on a single hand

B. Realize that you have already won the prize and stop right there

Exactly. Obama is where he is only because of luck and he would be a fool to open his mouth any wider then he has to.

Lord forbid that the canidates should talk about their differences on the issues. What kind of a democracy do you think we're running here anyway?? :laugh:

There were actually issues discussed in the last dozen debates? Where the hell was I and what improv show was I watching?

It might be suprising what all could some up in an unmoderated debate.

 

[Sinsear]

As much as I always like adding fuel to the fire, i can't help but think this is a stupid idea and Obama should not consent to this. He has the nomination all but won, hence this is a desparation move by HRC.