Highways & Healthcare

[Newell Steamer]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...f68a70-3208-11e5-a879-213078d03dd3_story.html

Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said on the Senate floor “nearly every Republican wants” a full repeal of the law, and he introduced an amendment to the highway bill to do just that. A vote was set for Sunday.

“Again, the majority leader has cynically filed another repeal of Obama health care legislation,” Minority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada said. “I hope the Senate doesn’t try to catch up with the House as to how many times they’re going to try to repeal that.”

What is it that they say about doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results each time?

Holy crap,... the GOP isn't going to go on a shooting spree, right?

 

[Bitek]

Apparently they have no desire to fund/build national infrastructure.

But hey, what were they do to, break their long streak of being completely useless?

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Well, to be honest - it isn't too late to repeal it. We're not at a "Can't go back" yet. Hell, the Cadillac tax hasn't even occurred yet, which is the main beef a lot of people will have with it. In addition to the fact that the penalty for not having care is still in the growing phase. People don't even realize what we got ourselves into until they realize at the end of the year what a fat 'penalty' they are going to have to pay.

It is stupid trying this whole "sneak it in" game though.

And Mitch McConnell is a moron.

 

[fskimospy]

Well, to be honest - it isn't too late to repeal it. We're not at a "Can't go back" yet. Hell, the Cadillac tax hasn't even occurred yet, which is the main beef a lot of people will have with it. In addition to the fact that the penalty for not having care is still in the growing phase. People don't even realize what we got ourselves into until they realize at the end of the year what a fat 'penalty' they are going to have to pay.

It is stupid trying this whole "sneak it in" game though.

And Mitch McConnell is a moron.

We have long since passed the 'can't go back' part. No bill will be passed that removes health insurance from millions of Americans without including some way to get it to them in another way.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

We have long since passed the 'can't go back' part. No bill will be passed that removes health insurance from millions of Americans without including some way to get it to them in another way.

Does it really matter? Everyone that "Has insurance" now is still 100% fucked if they have any health issue. They can't afford their 6000$ deductible, let alone the amount due in addition to the deductible.

They can barely afford their health insurance bill itself.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all in favor of a single pay system to support them. This is going to be a disaster of epic proportions in the coming years.

 

[K1052]

I almost want to see the highway trust fund go insolvent at this point just to witness the political fallout descend on congress with the wrath of the old testament god.

 

[Brainonska511]

I almost want to see the highway trust fund go insolvent at this point just to witness the political fallout descend on congress with the wrath of the old testament god.

You can't have the government paying for roads and infrastructure. That's socialism.

 

[fskimospy]

Does it really matter? Everyone that "Has insurance" now is still 100% fucked if they have any health issue. They can't afford their 6000$ deductible, let alone the amount due in addition to the deductible.

They can barely afford their health insurance bill itself.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all in favor of a single pay system to support them. This is going to be a disaster of epic proportions in the coming years.

That's definitely not true, at all. First, the average ACA plan deductible that soneone has is far below $6,000. (Far below). Second, if you've ever had a major health problem you know $6k is a drop in the bucket.

I'm not aware of a single independent source that would back up what you're saying.

While I agree that a single payer system would be best, this is still an absolutely enormous improvement over what we had. People have been predicting doom steadily for about half a decade now. Eventually we need to come to grips with the fact that it's worked pretty well.

 

[K1052]

You can't have the government paying for roads and infrastructure. That's socialism.

I know right. Just look at this socialist with his beady anti-American/anti-capitalist eyes:

Next thing you know someone's going to warn about overspending on the military.

 

[theeedude]

Who needs infrastructure? It's socialist!
Republicans added defunding Planned Parenthood to female soldier health bill and got that killed too.

 

[theeedude]

That's definitely not true, at all. First, the average ACA plan deductible that soneone has is far below $6,000. (Far below). Second, if you've ever had a major health problem you know $6k is a drop in the bucket.

I'm not aware of a single independent source that would back up what you're saying.

While I agree that a single payer system would be best, this is still an absolutely enormous improvement over what we had. People have been predicting doom steadily for about half a decade now. Eventually we need to come to grips with the fact that it's worked pretty well.

Same Republicans criticizing high deductibles are also complaining that Obamacare won't let people buy catastrophic only coverage, which is even higher deductible. These people are incoherent and/or insane ranting old geezers.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I almost want to see the highway trust fund go insolvent at this point just to witness the political fallout descend on congress with the wrath of the old testament god.

States rights dammit! If you dummies want a 5 lane highway that simply ends at the state line that's your business
I read a report from the civil engineer board 65% of the roads in the US are fair or worse. Mostly due to lack of long term funding nobody wants to start a project that will take more than 6 month's to complete

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

That's definitely not true, at all. First, the average ACA plan deductible that soneone has is far below $6,000. (Far below). Second, if you've ever had a major health problem you know $6k is a drop in the bucket.

I'm not aware of a single independent source that would back up what you're saying.

While I agree that a single payer system would be best, this is still an absolutely enormous improvement over what we had. People have been predicting doom steadily for about half a decade now. Eventually we need to come to grips with the fact that it's worked pretty well.

$6k is a drop in the bucket? DO YOU REALIZE WHO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT? Who these programs were designed to support? We are talking people who live paycheck to paycheck and somehow you want to toss in $6-20k of debt in their hands should an emergency arise? IN ADDITION to their actual insurance month to month costs? You're fucking smoking something if you are that stupid.

It's not going to work. But catastrophic injuries don't occur overnight, so you guys will have to see in due time it seems :whiste:

Also, I have no idea what the FUCK you are smoking thinking deductibles aren't that high

HealthPocket found that the average deductible for an individual enrolled in a bronze plan in 2015 will be $5,181, or $100 more than 2014 limits. For families in bronze plans, the deductible next year will be $10,545, or $159 more than this year.

For individuals in silver plans in 2015, they'll have average deductibles of $2,927, or $20 more than this year. The average deductibles for families in silver plans next year will actually decrease by $68, to $6,010.

But go ahead and live in fantasy land.

 

[theeedude]

$6k is a drop in the bucket? DO YOU REALIZE WHO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT? Who these programs were designed to support? We are talking people who live paycheck to paycheck and somehow you want to toss in $6-20k of debt in their hands should an emergency arise? IN ADDITION to their actual insurance month to month costs? You're fucking smoking something if you are that stupid.

It's not going to work. But catastrophic injuries don't occur overnight, so you guys will have to see in due time it seems :whiste:

Also, I have no idea what the FUCK you are smoking thinking deductibles aren't that high

But go ahead and live in fantasy land.

Bronze plan is the highest deductible option. Kind of stupid to complain about high deductible if you choose the highest deductible option.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Bronze plan is the highest deductible option. Kind of stupid to complain about high deductible if you choose the highest deductible option.

And when you boast about 6M uninsured people are now insured, which plan do you think 95% of them went with?

And is Silver any better? $3k deductible? For fucks sake even the Silver deductibles are 2x the deductible amount of what the IRS calls a high deductible plan. Not to mention you have the amounts to pay AFTER the deductible. Like I said, anyone on these plans is 100% fucked. No question.

Coleman pointed out that for 2015, the Internal Revenue Service's definition of a high-deductible plan will be $1,300 for individuals, and $2,600 for families.

 

[fskimospy]

$6k is a drop in the bucket? DO YOU REALIZE WHO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT? Who these programs were designed to support? We are talking people who live paycheck to paycheck and somehow you want to toss in $6-20k of debt in their hands should an emergency arise? IN ADDITION to their actual insurance month to month costs? You're fucking smoking something if you are that stupid.

I know exactly who these plans are for. You are tossing in $6-20k of debt as opposed to $60k-$100k of debt. It's simple math.

It's not going to work. But catastrophic injuries don't occur overnight, so you guys will have to see in due time it seems :whiste:

OK so when? It's been about a year and a half now. When can we expect this failure? Be specific.

Also, I have no idea what the FUCK you are smoking thinking deductibles aren't that high



But go ahead and live in fantasy land.

Ahh, so even though you only selected bronze plan people your cherry picked number is still close to 20℅ lower than your original claim.

How about you go look at the average deductible for ALL ACA plan owners?

One of us is clueless about this but it isn't me.

 

[fskimospy]

And when you boast about 6M uninsured people are now insured, which plan do you think 95% of them went with?

And is Silver any better? $3k deductible? For fucks sake even the Silver deductibles are 2x the deductible amount of what the IRS calls a high deductible plan. Not to mention you have the amounts to pay AFTER the deductible. Like I said, anyone on these plans is 100% fucked. No question.

It's very strange. The people who actually own the plans report similar satisfaction to people as a whole. You would think if they were all fucked they would know that.

Have you considered that instead of all of them being wrong you just don't get it?

 

[theeedude]

And when you boast about 6M uninsured people are now insured, which plan do you think 95% of them went with?

And is Silver any better? $3k deductible? For fucks sake even the Silver deductibles are 2x the deductible amount of what the IRS calls a high deductible plan. Not to mention you have the amounts to pay AFTER the deductible. Like I said, anyone on these plans is 100% fucked. No question.

I have a high ($5K) deductible plan, and I am not fucked by any means. I chose it, because I always pick the highest deductible on any insurance. That's what insurance is for, to pay for things in excess of what you can pay out of pocket.
Fucked is not having insurance at all, which is the alternative at the present time. Then either you get fucked financially if you need health care, because not only do you not get anything covered, but you get billed a lot more than rates the insurance companies negotiate.
So you are just talking out of your butt. No question.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

If the ACA is overturned, what exactly is Mitch McConnell's solution to our health care problems? Does he have some sort of a Republicare plan that hasn't yet been announced? Do the Republicans have some sort of a hidden plan for 100% coverage at a lower percentage of GDP that what we're currently spending?

 

[DrDoug]

Republicans know that this country was built by white men who didn't have paved roads nor health care coverage and those times are what they want to return us to. Having health care and a strong national highway infrastructure has made us weak, lazy and dependent on the government.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Does it really matter? Everyone that "Has insurance" now is still 100% fucked if they have any health issue. They can't afford their 6000$ deductible, let alone the amount due in addition to the deductible.

They can barely afford their health insurance bill itself.

still speaking like an ignoramus??

 

[Jhhnn]

If the ACA is overturned, what exactly is Mitch McConnell's solution to our health care problems?

Need you ask? Free Market! States Rights! Deport all the illegals! More Benghazi!

 

[halik]

Does it really matter? Everyone that "Has insurance" now is still 100% fucked if they have any health issue. They can't afford their 6000$ deductible, let alone the amount due in addition to the deductible.

They can barely afford their health insurance bill itself.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all in favor of a single pay system to support them. This is going to be a disaster of epic proportions in the coming years.

This, or they just pay the tax penalty. WSJ had an article about that - for some people it makes more sense to pay out of pocket + penalty than to pay 300 a mo for $6K deductible plan.

 

[halik]

Same Republicans criticizing high deductibles are also complaining that Obamacare won't let people buy catastrophic only coverage, which is even higher deductible. These people are incoherent and/or insane ranting old geezers.

Wrong. Pre-obama care high deductible plans were far cheaper and had a selection of deductible options - I was paying $90/mo for $2K plan via BSBS. Now the cheapest "bronze" plan is $250-300 something with $6K deductible.

The people that you were trying to get insured w/Obamacare didn't choose to spend $100/mo for $2-3K deductible plan before obama care, what makes you think they'll get onboard with $300/mo plan with $6K deductible? Literally the equilibrium outcome is an additional transfer payment for very low income people (ie if you get big enough subsidy) and fucks everyone in the middle.


http://www.wsj.com/articles/many-un...-enrollment-offer-under-health-law-1426888783

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB12268843614978254751404581040020004582468

 

[Jaskalas]

Do our Democrats actually want ACA over Single Payer?

It's kind of weird watching you defend the failures of the compromise.
It must be torture trying to convince yourselves that it's working.
Or maybe ignorance is bliss...