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Highlights of the Tax Package Before the Senate

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HendrixFan said:
No, lunatics who shout about any government spending, borderline anarchists like spidey are hypocrites. People who get military pension, then state pension, then federal pension while at the same time harp on "taxes" and "welfare" are also hypocrites. They are the extreme example, who shout about the other end's extreme.

All things in moderation as they say.
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So there's no middle ground with you? You can't be against some government spending and for other government spending? You're not so different from those you hate.
 
matt0611 said:
Lol, such a strawman right there. You'll use anything to justify theft though so I'm really not surprised.
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Try cracking a history book, the "death tax" is why you are not serving your feudal lords as a serf.

Going back to the good old days where your whole town is owned by one or two families is going to kick ass. (if you are part of those families)

You guys are probably right, might as well start kissing ass to those with money now, I mean, if you were worthy of getting anywhere in your life you would have been born rich! It is your destiny to be a lower class if not born with the correct genes.



Forget it, this is AMERICA, where we succeed by our merits and hard work, not our genes. It is not societies responsibility to support "old money" entitlements that drag at society.

Democracies fail all the time all across the world, and having a few massive land owning monied families corrupting things is the fast track to collapse. You guys arguing for this are being used by the elites once again in hopes you will get your chances to game the system for yourselves, typical conservative hypocrisy.

Stalin had a term of endearment for the reactionary segment of the working class who so willingly buy into propaganda against their own best interests: Useful idiots
 
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Reading this thread, it's funny how conservatives SAY they're for a meritocracy, but they really aren't. With the dwindling middle class and the exponentially growing wealth of the oligarchs, we're going to reach a point where the oligarchs will just keep accumulating passing wealth onto their descendants, untaxed, while the underclass becomes serfs to their kingdoms. Those who horde the capital will rule those who don't.
 
I think we need a tax on Coffee. It is addictive as cigs or Booze.

Maybe we also need a transaction tax on all stock transactions.
 
Phokus said:
Reading this thread, it's funny how conservatives SAY they're for a meritocracy, but they really aren't. With the dwindling middle class and the exponentially growing wealth of the oligarchs, we're going to reach a point where the oligarchs will just keep accumulating passing wealth onto their descendants, untaxed, while the underclass becomes serfs to their kingdoms. Those who horde the capital will rule those who don't.
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If that happens, it's our own fault. If 75% of the people want things to be different and 25% want them just the way they already are, then the 75% ought to elect people who will make things different. That will mean electing people who aren't millionaires and/or funded by the wealthy and the big organizations. Are we going to be able to do it?
 
TheRedUnderURBed said:
Try cracking a history book, the "death tax" is why you are not serving your feudal lords as a serf.

Going back to the good old days where your whole town is owned by one or two families is going to kick ass. (if you are part of those families)

You guys are probably right, might as well start kissing ass to those with money now, I mean, if you were worthy of getting anywhere in your life you would have been born rich! It is your destiny to be a lower class if not born with the correct genes.



Forget it, this is AMERICA, where we succeed by our merits and hard work, not our genes. It is not societies responsibility to support "old money" entitlements that drag at society.

Democracies fail all the time all across the world, and having a few massive land owning monied families corrupting things is the fast track to collapse. You guys arguing for this are being used by the elites once again in hopes you will get your chances to game the system for yourselves, typical conservative hypocrisy.

Stalin had a term of endearment for the reactionary segment of the working class who so willingly buy into propaganda against their own best interests: Useful idiots
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So should I be looked down upon for giving money to charity? Why is that any different? They didn't earn it on their own merit right?

People with money can corrupt things because they get in bed with big government, maybe you should open a history book.


Phokus said:
Reading this thread, it's funny how conservatives SAY they're for a meritocracy, but they really aren't. With the dwindling middle class and the exponentially growing wealth of the oligarchs, we're going to reach a point where the oligarchs will just keep accumulating passing wealth onto their descendants, untaxed, while the underclass becomes serfs to their kingdoms. Those who horde the capital will rule those who don't.
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The conservatives in this thread are for liberty, freedom to keep what you have and give it to whom you wish.
You are for the opposite of liberty, but everyone knows this already.
 
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eskimospy said:
Anecdotal evidence has no place here. If we're going to use anecdotes to pass tax policy then I'm REALLY going to weep for our country.
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what so untrustworthy about those examples? because they go against your argument so you just automatically call them anecdotal?

you better start weeping because anecdotal evidence is used DAILY to pass laws through out the country.
 
spidey07 said:
The bush tax cuts eliminated the marriage penalty. Married couples had a larger tax burden than if they were single, that was fixed with the bush tax cuts. If you look at most any of Obama's tax plans they have a STEEP marriage penalty.
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I still do, look at the break from the 25 to 28% tax brackets. I am in the 28% because I am married, where my wife and I would be both be in the 25% if we were single. (My wife and I make exactly the same salary)
 
matt0611 said:
The conservatives in this thread are for liberty, freedom to keep what you have and give it to whom you wish.
You are for the opposite of liberty, but everyone knows this already.
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lol

"If you want to tax estates worth more than $5M then you oppose liberty!!!11!!!"
 
child of wonder said:
lol

"If you want to tax estates worth more than $5M then you oppose liberty!!!11!!!"
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No, if you come from the position that we need to tax people more because they "have too much" or "have enough" or may give it to someone that "doesn't deserve" it, then you do. Its really quite simple.
 
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matt0611 said:
No, if you come from the position that we need to tax people more because they "have too much" or "have enough" or may give it to someone that "doesn't deserve" it, then you do. Its really quite simple.
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How do we define "doesn't deserve it?" Whose job is it to determine who is worthy of reaping the benefits of our Democratic Republic?
 
child of wonder said:
How do we define "doesn't deserve it?" Whose job is it to determine who is worthy of reaping the benefits of our Democratic Republic?
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Well thats my point. The individual should decide what to do with his own property. Its not the job of the government or society to decide who deserves what, it least in my world view. I know you would probably disagree with that, and thats fine.
 
Thump553 said:
I agree with Spidey that the AMT really needs reforming. Started in the 1970s or 80s, originally designed to catch those making high six figures while using so many tax dodges they pay little or no income tax, it has mushroomed into a beartrap that snags too many ordinary people.

But limiting estate tax to 1/4 of 1% of the population? That's absurd and the rest of us taxpayers (or our kids and grandkids) are going to have to bear the burden of this tax break for the aristocracy.
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Estate taxes should be abolished. Estates are built with after-tax dollars. It should not be taxed again. stop being jealous of other people's wealth.
 
matt0611 said:
Well thats my point. The individual should decide what to do with his own property. Its not the job of the government or society to decide who deserves what, it least in my world view. I know you would probably disagree with that, and thats fine.
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That's what government does, I'm afraid. In our system, the people elect representatives to pursue their common interests at different levels of government -- city up to federal. Regardless of how much we pay in taxes, it is still up to those elected officials to decide what to do with that money and anything they decide will positively affect some and negatively affect others.
 
ayabe said:
Unearned income, your kids didn't earn it and plenty of things in society are double-taxed so don't bring that shit up. You are dead...and your kids didn't earn it, end of story. Cannot benefit? It's not a 100% tax.

Sounds like a gift to me, what's the rate on that, 48%? Ok sounds fair.
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Kids don't earn a damn thing until they get a job, should we take those things away as well?

It's your property, you should be able to do with it what you want either through life or through will.

Double taxation is wrong no matter what the issue.
 
ConstipatedVigilante said:
Only socialists think you should be taxed after you're dead. I can understand taxes on transactions, but when your money is being transferred AFTER you've paid taxes on it, and is being distributed according to your last wishes, it should be taxless. If a billionaire wants to spoil his kid, that's his business. I just don't understand why people say, "He has enough money; give some of it to me!"
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Because the loony left thinks we are all indebted to, and owned by, the government, and that the nanny state government should be in charge of you cradle to grave. If they can't take it from you while you are alive, they just wait until you die. They really are a disgusting lot.
 
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