High Static Pressure Fans Alternative to Gentle Typhoon

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I purchased an H60 as part of my build, and plan on replacing the stock fan with another high static pressure, somewhat quiet fan.

Ideally I'd want to use the Gentle Typhoon AP-15 but it's out of stock in everywhere (although some stores have it for 25-40 dollars). Is there a good alternative to the GT AP-15 with high static pressure? Also, does it matter if I go PWM?

Frozen PCU has the Noctua NF-F12 which claims to be a high static pressure fan, but is $24.
 

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I was going to ask the same question. Looking on the egg today for a replacement fan and most do not list the statuc pressure.

And yes I am sticking with PWM if at all possible.
 

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scythe Flex is pretty good.. comes very close and sometimes even quietter then a GT at middle RPM levels.

Then you can always do a push / pull config with dual yates low speed.
by push / pull i mean basically sandwitch the radiator between fans.. you cheat static that way.... it will be thick, but you can get better potential then 1 x GT with 2 low speed yates.

Finally... there is the uber expensive rolls royce of fans known as San Ace.
I use them, love them, cant get off them. But they will kill you on the price.. im talking about 28 dollars per fan on average.
 

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s-flex has been discontinued so good luck finding them
 

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s-flex has been discontinued so good luck finding them

are you serious? :oops:

when were they dc'd? they were excellent fans.. i dont see the reason why they were dc'd.

EDIT.. no the new zalmans arent Sony fluid bearings... damn i think sony ditched the motor in general which is why its DC'd.
The zalmans were also Sony...


Stole this from XS. :p
I dont think my pal eric will mind.. :p

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?171661-Fans-Fans-Fans-XS-Fan-Review!

Medium speed fans are slowly getting more and more accepted...people that used to get high speed fans now get these and many low speed users get these and undervolt. Also, another reason for adoption is that ot really does seem that these medium speed fans (60-80CFM at 12V) are stronger at the favored 40-50CFM range than fans built for that range. So you undervolt a little for 24/7 and get a great sweetspot of performance and noise, with the option to crank it up.

Middle speed fans are mostly where it's at....

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Panaflo LH - Old fan that undervolts surprisingly well...has a few murmurs/ticks here and there. Only get it if you're into nostalgia or really aggressive (albeit useless) blade designs.

Sharkoon Golfball 2000 - The carryover king from last round gets beaten...by a few fans. Nonetheless it's still pretty damn good. No extraneous noises or ticks or anything, but the blades do make a bit more noise than competitors and it shows on the graphs.

SilenX 90CFM 18dBA - Just a plain sucky fan. Put it on a radiator and it sucks even more (really, really bad radiator fan...nearly 50% of airflow is lost on the radiator--worse than the Noctua 1200!). That said, it does not make extraneous noise and looks kinda cool. Has a cheap flimsy feel though. Also, the motor overheats. Also, it costs a lot. Also, the specs are WAYYYYYYY off, a big no-no in my book.

SilenX 74CFM 14dBA - Another bad fan. Not quite as bad or overrated as the 90/18 model, but the rest still applies.

Yate Loon D12SH-12 Curved blade from PTS - This is what Petras stocks mostly...it's a very good fan, especially for the price. Especially on the radiator. The 12V and 11V numbers are out-of-line with the expected and with what others experience and I can hear noticeable extraneous noise at those two voltages...probably something wrong with my fan specifically. I still like it too... Like most fans, it improved SLIGHTLY over its 0-hour test numbers.

Yate Loon D12SH-12 Straight blade from PTS - This is what Petras stocks occasionally...it's a very good fan, especially for the price. Especially on the radiator. Mine made no extraneous noises....it's SLIGHTLY better than the curved blade variant on the radiator, but SLIGHTLY worse in open air. I call it a draw overall. Like most fans, it improved SLIGHTLY over its 0-hour test numbers.

Yate Loon D12SH-12 Straight blade NOT from PTS - This is the D12SH-12 available from every place not named Petras Tech Shop. They DO use different suppliers and this fan IS different. It has different internals, scales differently with voltage and noticeably deteriorated from its 0-hour performance. It makes some noises I don't want my fans making: mainly light thuds and clicks. In fact, all but one non-PTS Yate Loon made extraneous noise. Oh, it also doesn't perform that well...look at the graphs.

Yate Loon D12SM-12 Curved blade from PTS - This is what Petras stocks mostly...it's a very good fan, especially for the price. Especially on the radiator. It's not as good as its ratings (56CFM vs. 70CFM rated) but overall the performance is very solid. Like most fans, it improved SLIGHTLY over its 0-hour test numbers. I really like this fan.

Scythe Minebea 1900RPM - Solidly built fan....my fan testing gets EXACTLY the same CFM as the ratings--which is shockingly refreshing. Very high MTBF...but like all NMB-MAT fans it exhibits a SLIGHT murmur or click :( Also has slightly higher than normal CFM loss on a radiator. Overall a very good fan though, definitely recommended and a VERY safe choice with it's longer-than-you'll-need-it MTBF and very good performance.

Scythe Minebea 1600RPM - Solidly built fan....my fan testing gets EXACTLY the same CFM as the ratings--which is shockingly refreshing. Very high MTBF...but like all NMB-MAT fans it exhibits a SLIGHT murmur or click :( Also has slightly higher than normal CFM loss on a radiator (slightly more so than the 1900). Overall a good fan though, but surprisingly not as good as the 1900...overall a safe choice with it's longer-than-you'll-need-it MTBF and decent performance.

Scythe S-Flex F 1600RPM - S-FDB bearings kick ass. Very, very little extraneous noise, relatively inexpensive, no positional oddities like sleeves, and fairly well sealed. They also don't have the radiator slow-down that the Minebeas exhibit. But they're also not empirically as good in open air. However, the entire S-Flex range is among my favorites. Very, very good fans that don't make extraneous noises nor cost an a lot.

Zalman ZM-F3 - The shocker of the whole group. Really, it came out of left-field. No fluke here either, Cathar got nearly identical results. No extraneous noise, magic-scaling above ~1600RPM, does well on a radiator, a mere $10 and available nearly everywhere and just overall great performance. A gem of a fan in many respects. It is a sleeve bearing though, it's only detractor.

Coolink SWiF-1202 - Crummy fan...horrible excitation at many random voltages (hence the data line jumps back and forth), just not a good performer in general either. Similar to the Akasa Amber from Round 1--and in looks, I wonder if there's a pattern?

Antec Tri-Cool - Mediocre fan. Makes more (normal and extraneous) noise than I'd like but it's nothing too bad. "H" is 12V, "M" is at just under 9V and "L" is at like 5.5V. If I had a case full of them, I'd upgrade, but maybe not get overnight shipping.

u guys are screwed... just get a Yate... and END it... its always been the if in doubt fan... and just push/pull.
Or you can try a NEW ZM-F3.. however im sure the one eric tested was the one which was identical to the S-FLEX. :\

the golfball has also always been one of my favorites as well. Unless those are also discontinued.
 
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Elcs

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I think I'm still going the GT route for my system. Replace my old Slipstreams and S-Flexes as well as those Corsair fans. I can get my hands on the latest S-Flexes but they're only $1-2 USD equivalent cheaper in price.

Having said that, I'd love a pair of PWM fans to hook up to one motherboard header. Don't even know if that's possible like it is with 3-pin headers.
 
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OVerLoRDI

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Yeah, I wish the GTs were available. I have 3 and I love them. I need to get my hands on 2 more for another rad, but like you I have not found any except for really high prices.
 

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I was very disappointed when s-flex were discontinued. Fortunately the five i use in my case are still going strong, but if i had to replace them i would probably go with a Noctua offerering, fwiw.
 

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You cannot beat the GT fans for consumer use. Highly recommended. When you find them in stock you should buy several times the quantity you need so you don't have this problem. ;)

There are plenty of alternatives that are solid but they have other issues (noise) or problems with controlling speeds without a specialized controller, etc.
 

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are you serious? :oops:

when were they dc'd? they were excellent fans.. i dont see the reason why they were dc'd.

they've been replaced with the ex-fdb kama flow 2 fan. MTBF is down from 150,000 hours to 120,000 hours.

main issue with them is there's no fan between 900 and 1400 rpm. the 1200 rpm s-flex-e fan was the perfect fan for me.
 

aigomorla

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Geild are decient fans... however your paying more on the bling then performance.
 

aigomorla

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lulz i think ruby and i were the first on this forum to even use the GT.

i believe ruby used the original ndiacs.. and i had samples of the GT.

man... its funny how big the GT exploded.. after all the tooting ive been doing with them.
 

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Elfear

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My vote is for the Kama Flow 2's.

Xbit Labs Roundup

Semi-professional review at OcUK
"Compared to the Gentle Typhoon, the Kama looses out by a fraction at the slower speeds, and claws back the advantage and a little extra when the two clash at the maximum rotation speeds. Around the 1500rpm speed, they pretty much seem to perform neck and neck."

"Best fan of the round-up: Scythe Kama Flow II"

I just picked up six myself but I haven't had a chance to hook them up yet so I can't add my personal experience.
 

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they've been replaced with the ex-fdb kama flow 2 fan. MTBF is down from 150,000 hours to 120,000 hours.

main issue with them is there's no fan between 900 and 1400 rpm. the 1200 rpm s-flex-e fan was the perfect fan for me.

S-FLEX E's FOR LIFE!!!
 

napes22

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My vote is for the Kama Flow 2's.

Xbit Labs Roundup

Semi-professional review at OcUK
"Compared to the Gentle Typhoon, the Kama looses out by a fraction at the slower speeds, and claws back the advantage and a little extra when the two clash at the maximum rotation speeds. Around the 1500rpm speed, they pretty much seem to perform neck and neck."

"Best fan of the round-up: Scythe Kama Flow II"

I just picked up six myself but I haven't had a chance to hook them up yet so I can't add my personal experience.

I didn't see anything about static pressure. Do these rate similarly?
 

readymix

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I was very disappointed when s-flex were discontinued. Fortunately the five i use in my case are still going strong, but if i had to replace them i would probably go with a Noctua offerering, fwiw.

thought that too. the egg has some 120's and i bought some from frozen a month+ ago. maybe their disapperance was caused by the earthquake or flood.
 

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are you serious? :oops:

when were they dc'd? they were excellent fans.. i dont see the reason why they were dc'd.

EDIT.. no the new zalmans arent Sony fluid bearings... damn i think sony ditched the motor in general which is why its DC'd.
The zalmans were also Sony...


Stole this from XS. :p
I dont think my pal eric will mind.. :p

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?171661-Fans-Fans-Fans-XS-Fan-Review!



u guys are screwed... just get a Yate... and END it... its always been the if in doubt fan... and just push/pull.
Or you can try a NEW ZM-F3.. however im sure the one eric tested was the one which was identical to the S-FLEX. :\

the golfball has also always been one of my favorites as well. Unless those are also discontinued.

Aig . I remember now why I stayed out of this section . This kind of testing is nonsense. Unless your on an open air workbench .

But for the majority of us who actually care about good case performance and cooling these test are nonsense. Without using proper tools INSIDE the case itself the most powerful fans on earth are useless . Using Anemometer inside the case inself is the only way you can tune for airflow and silent computing . Unless you test in this manner all this is jibberish . IF its not real world usage its phony . There are cases than there are cases. The Case used outweighs the fan selection and that effect is multiplied based on decibles and cooling performance . You would agree that in water cooling flow has much to do with cooling performance correct . Same applies to cases Airflow threw the case.

Its like the Loop serial vs parrall loops You can't test like gabe did over at XS . To test rad efficiency you can't use a large rad . Ya use a single 120 rad setup and than test serial vs parrall. In this manner you see the the differance between Serial loop Vs parrel.

If you use 3x120 rads your not going to learn alot about serial vs parrall. Or Rad efficiency unless the rads are junk to start with. I not going to do a 60 page essay on heatsinks and flow and effeciency as there be to man variables to cover. Bottom line is What we should strive for is the Smallest sized efficiency in raditors . Not the bandaid bigger is better idea. Same applies to the case and fans , The Box is the main factor. If the box is junk the fans used will not help alot . Same applies to fans if they are junk box really doesn't matter.

All things being equal The fans are good enough the rad.is good enough the Box(case) is the Main hero in this fan flow epic . To achieving good airflow within a liveable sound spectrum.
 

Elfear

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I didn't see anything about static pressure. Do these rate similarly?

The user on OcUK didn't use any instrumentation to measure static pressure but he simulated it by testing each fan on a heatsink. The better the static pressure the better the temps on the heatsink (cfm being equal). I'm not sure how sensitive the heatsink is to static pressure though.

When I was researching 120mm fans I was looking specifically for a fan with good static pressure as I will be using these on a couple radiators. I wish I could find the quote but basically a member of a forum said that Scythe had come out and said the static pressure between the GTs and the Kama Flow 2s was very close and maybe a little in favor of the KF2.