High school valedictorian fails exit exam 5 times

friedpie

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David Horowitz is right when he says that all these failing inner city school systems are run by democrats.

A for effort

"Bridget Green was all set to be valedictorian of her New Orleans high school, but she didn't even go to the graduation ceremony. Despite her A in Algebra II, Green failed the math portion of the graduation exam, which measures 10th grade level skills. It was her fifth try."


 

CADsortaGUY

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How could she get straight "A"s and become valedictorian if she wasn't a good test taker? She scored an 11 on her ACT? Seems like the Teachers failed her in this case. This is exactly why we NEED an exit exam - to make sure our kids know what they are supposed to be taught and if they aren't we need to find out the reasons they weren't. In this case it stems from crappy teachers.

CkG
 

burnedout

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
How could she get straight "A"s and become valedictorian if she wasn't a good test taker? She scored an 11 on her ACT?

CkG
**shrugs shoulders and shakes head left-to-right**

Maybe she just totally sucks in math and sat next to a geek in Algebra II class?
 

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Originally posted by: friedpie
David Horowitz is right when he says that all these failing inner city school systems are run by democrats.

A for effort

"Bridget Green was all set to be valedictorian of her New Orleans high school, but she didn't even go to the graduation ceremony. Despite her A in Algebra II, Green failed the math portion of the graduation exam, which measures 10th grade level skills. It was her fifth try."

It's some kind of joke, right?

BTW be prepared for the limp-wristers to come in and lambast you for using Fox as a source.

 

LunarRay

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I can't imagine going to school and not trying to get the most out of the time spent as possible. For this person the be Valedictorian and not pass the exit exam suggests both the school, student, and parents are a bit out of contact with reality...
 

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Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet
Originally posted by: friedpie
David Horowitz is right when he says that all these failing inner city school systems are run by democrats.

A for effort

"Bridget Green was all set to be valedictorian of her New Orleans high school, but she didn't even go to the graduation ceremony. Despite her A in Algebra II, Green failed the math portion of the graduation exam, which measures 10th grade level skills. It was her fifth try."

It's some kind of joke, right?

BTW be prepared for the limp-wristers to come in and lambast you for using Fox as a source.
They can try. However, the story may also be verified by another source:

Failing the valedictorian - The New Orleans Times-Piscayne

*edit* Another more in-depth report:

Falling Short - The Times-Piscayne
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: friedpie
David Horowitz is right when he says that all these failing inner city school systems are run by democrats.

A for effort

"Bridget Green was all set to be valedictorian of her New Orleans high school, but she didn't even go to the graduation ceremony. Despite her A in Algebra II, Green failed the math portion of the graduation exam, which measures 10th grade level skills. It was her fifth try."

Damn sad is what it is.
 

daniel1113

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Unbelievable... I was valedictorian of my high school, and there was a lot of good competition. Perhaps the New Orleans school is just bad... surely the majority of schools can't be that bad.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: friedpie
David Horowitz is right when he says that all these failing inner city school systems are run by democrats.

A for effort

"Bridget Green was all set to be valedictorian of her New Orleans high school, but she didn't even go to the graduation ceremony. Despite her A in Algebra II, Green failed the math portion of the graduation exam, which measures 10th grade level skills. It was her fifth try."

While Green is certainly a poster-child for what's wrong with American schools, just how and where do you get the information that "...all these failing inner city school systems are run by democrats"? Do you have anything to actually support that statement?
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: friedpie
David Horowitz is right when he says that all these failing inner city school systems are run by democrats.

A for effort

"Bridget Green was all set to be valedictorian of her New Orleans high school, but she didn't even go to the graduation ceremony. Despite her A in Algebra II, Green failed the math portion of the graduation exam, which measures 10th grade level skills. It was her fifth try."

is this a mirror to foxnews?

http://www.foxnews.com.edgesuite.net/story/0,2933,94864,00.html

Cause it aint foxnews....
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: friedpie
David Horowitz is right when he says that all these failing inner city school systems are run by democrats.

And thank God for that.
<-- Inner city school, Magna Cum Laude Ivy League Engineering college grad.
 

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Originally posted by: LunarRay
I can't imagine going to school and not trying to get the most out of the time spent as possible. For this person the be Valedictorian and not pass the exit exam suggests both the school, student, and parents are a bit out of contact with reality...

She was Socially taught, not Academically taught. This is one of the reasons these new Test have been put in place. There are Bachelor degreed people sometimes with 2 degrees dumb as a brick. They're nothing but "Professional" students.



 

friedpie

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: friedpie
David Horowitz is right when he says that all these failing inner city school systems are run by democrats.

"Bridget Green was all set to be valedictorian of her New Orleans high school, but she didn't even go to the graduation ceremony. Despite her A in Algebra II, Green failed the math portion of the graduation exam, which measures 10th grade level skills. It was her fifth try."

While Green is certainly a poster-child for what's wrong with American schools, just how and where do you get the information that "...all these failing inner city school systems are run by democrats"? Do you have anything to actually support that statement?

Most inner cities where these failing schools are usually located are governed by democrats. The teachers unions in these cities are loyal to democrats, everyone that knows anything about politics knows this.

Here's one link that might help. It's about the NEA, the national teachers union, going after Bush in '04. You decide for yourself.

http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/6229709.htm

The National Education Association, a powerful force as the largest union in the country, has settled on campaign targets: No Child Left Behind, the sweeping school law championed by President Bush, and ousting the Republican leader.

The NEA plans to focus its considerable organizing and fund-raising power on electing a Democrat, conceding that most congressional incumbents are safe in 2004.

Since 1976, when it shifted into an active role in national politics, the 2.7 million-member union has given every presidential endorsement to a Democrat, but that backing has come in various forms.


And if you want to see just how corrupt the teachers unions are, and how they operate, read this link.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=3208

"It was a disaster," Clinton said. "It was way too high. If I enforced the passing grade, I'd have to flunk a third or a half of them. I can't do that. We'd particularly have to fire a high percentage of minority teachers."

The solution? Dick Morris was told to poll Arkansas voters and find out what percentage of the teachers they expected to fail the test. As Clinton had said to Morris, "I can decide what score is passing and what is failing." Morris's polling revealed that Arkansas voters expected 10% of the teachers to fail, rather than the 30-50% who actually failed. When the Clinton Administration released the "results" of the tests to the public, they reported that only 10% had failed. In the end, only a handful of Arkansas's incompetent teachers lost their jobs.



 

BaliBabyDoc

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Originally posted by: LunarRay
I can't imagine going to school and not trying to get the most out of the time spent as possible. For this person the be Valedictorian and not pass the exit exam suggests both the school, student, and parents are a bit out of contact with reality...
Per the article, the child made multiple attempts to improve her mathematical acumen. Until someone provides evidence that she spent her evenings as a coke whore and slept through classes . . . it appears responsibility lies primarily with her instructors and school administrators.

She was Socially taught, not Academically taught. This is one of the reasons these new Test have been put in place. There are Bachelor degreed people sometimes with 2 degrees dumb as a brick. They're nothing but "Professional" students.
You don't have a clue. The faculty all but admit that she was moved along/received good grades in mathematics b/c she was a good kid. They didn't teach her anything about being a good citizen. She learned those talents in other environs and it paid dividends during her somewhat educative experiences at school. The "new" tests you refer to prove you know nothing about the various systems of accountability in America. Many school districts and states have instituted various means of accountability throughout the 1990s (not including states such as CA, IA, MA etc that were vanguards in standardized testing . . . NOT high stakes testing). High stakes testing is pure superfluous BS if it occurs outside of a holistic plan of action/resources for correcting explicit deficiencies within the system.

Education is still primarily a locally-controlled and funded endeavor but the edicts from DoEd (read Bushies) are not holistic and certainly lack a local perspective. Testing is always a burden but we do it in a limited fashion b/c good tests properly utilized have value. We now have situation where testing in the locality is compounded with state-mandated tests and federally-mandated tests. It's excessive and by definition lacks utility b/c these tests do NOT expand the skill set of children . . . except to the extent instructors teach to the test format (and a certain extent content).

Position on High Stakes testing from the American Education Research Association
These various high-stakes testing applications are enacted by policy makers with the intention of improving education. For example, it is hoped that setting high standards of achievement will inspire greater effort on the part of students, teachers, and educational administrators. Reporting of test results may also be beneficial in directing public attention to gross achievement disparities among schools or among student groups. However, if high-stakes testing programs are implemented in circumstances where educational resources are inadequate or where tests lack sufficient reliability and validity for their intended purposes, there is potential for serious harm. Policy makers and the public may be misled by spurious test score increases unrelated to any fundamental educational improvement; students may be placed at increased risk of educational failure and dropping out; teachers may be blamed or punished for inequitable resources over which they have no control; and curriculum and instruction may be severely distorted if high test scores per se, rather than learning, become the overriding goal of classroom instruction.

 

zephyrprime

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I really wonder how the other students in her school did on the tests. Shame on the reporters for being such shallow investigators.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: friedpie
Most inner cities where these failing schools are usually located are governed by democrats. The teachers unions in these cities are loyal to democrats, everyone that knows anything about politics knows this.

Here's one link that might help. It's about the NEA, the national teachers union, going after Bush in '04. You decide for yourself.

http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/6229709.htm

The National Education Association, a powerful force as the largest union in the country, has settled on campaign targets: No Child Left Behind, the sweeping school law championed by President Bush, and ousting the Republican leader.

The NEA plans to focus its considerable organizing and fund-raising power on electing a Democrat, conceding that most congressional incumbents are safe in 2004.

Since 1976, when it shifted into an active role in national politics, the 2.7 million-member union has given every presidential endorsement to a Democrat, but that backing has come in various forms.


And if you want to see just how corrupt the teachers unions are, and how they operate, read this link.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=3208

"It was a disaster," Clinton said. "It was way too high. If I enforced the passing grade, I'd have to flunk a third or a half of them. I can't do that. We'd particularly have to fire a high percentage of minority teachers."

The solution? Dick Morris was told to poll Arkansas voters and find out what percentage of the teachers they expected to fail the test. As Clinton had said to Morris, "I can decide what score is passing and what is failing." Morris's polling revealed that Arkansas voters expected 10% of the teachers to fail, rather than the 30-50% who actually failed. When the Clinton Administration released the "results" of the tests to the public, they reported that only 10% had failed. In the end, only a handful of Arkansas's incompetent teachers lost their jobs.

So the national teacher's union supports a democratic president. No surprise there. Why is this particular student (or students in inner-city areas in general) a victim of the democrats? What are they doing exactly to cause schools to fail?

I found some interesting data on this particular school (linked) and it seems that class sizes are fairly large compared to the rest of the state. The test scores for this school are truly abysmal. If you notice though, almost 1/2 the state of Louisiana is testing at "unsatisfactory" or "approaching basic" levels... It looks like the state as a whole needs some serious work...
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: LunarRay
I can't imagine going to school and not trying to get the most out of the time spent as possible. For this person the be Valedictorian and not pass the exit exam suggests both the school, student, and parents are a bit out of contact with reality...
Per the article, the child made multiple attempts to improve her mathematical acumen. Until someone provides evidence that she spent her evenings as a coke whore and slept through classes . . . it appears responsibility lies primarily with her instructors and school administrators.

She was Socially taught, not Academically taught. This is one of the reasons these new Test have been put in place. There are Bachelor degreed people sometimes with 2 degrees dumb as a brick. They're nothing but "Professional" students.
You don't have a clue. The faculty all but admit that she was moved along/received good grades in mathematics b/c she was a good kid. They didn't teach her anything about being a good citizen. She learned those talents in other environs and it paid dividends during her somewhat educative experiences at school. The "new" tests you refer to prove you know nothing about the various systems of accountability in America. Many school districts and states have instituted various means of accountability throughout the 1990s (not including states such as CA, IA, MA etc that were vanguards in standardized testing . . . NOT high stakes testing). High stakes testing is pure superfluous BS if it occurs outside of a holistic plan of action/resources for correcting explicit deficiencies within the system.

Education is still primarily a locally-controlled and funded endeavor but the edicts from DoEd (read Bushies) are not holistic and certainly lack a local perspective. Testing is always a burden but we do it in a limited fashion b/c good tests properly utilized have value. We now have situation where testing in the locality is compounded with state-mandated tests and federally-mandated tests. It's excessive and by definition lacks utility b/c these tests do NOT expand the skill set of children . . . except to the extent instructors teach to the test format (and a certain extent content).

Position on High Stakes testing from the American Education Research Association
These various high-stakes testing applications are enacted by policy makers with the intention of improving education. For example, it is hoped that setting high standards of achievement will inspire greater effort on the part of students, teachers, and educational administrators. Reporting of test results may also be beneficial in directing public attention to gross achievement disparities among schools or among student groups. However, if high-stakes testing programs are implemented in circumstances where educational resources are inadequate or where tests lack sufficient reliability and validity for their intended purposes, there is potential for serious harm. Policy makers and the public may be misled by spurious test score increases unrelated to any fundamental educational improvement; students may be placed at increased risk of educational failure and dropping out; teachers may be blamed or punished for inequitable resources over which they have no control; and curriculum and instruction may be severely distorted if high test scores per se, rather than learning, become the overriding goal of classroom instruction.



She was socially promoted(taught;)) - the teachers admitted to it and you stated it in your post. They gave her good grades because she was a "good kid". Does it get more obvious than that? If she didn't pass the tests in class(there will be tests in Math class) then she doesn't get "good grades". So either she isn't a good test taker and the teachers let her pass anyway, or....nope that's about it from the info we have. Not only did they let her pass but they gave her good enough grades for her to become the valedictorian! If it was only Math then those teachers need to be fired - period. It wasn't clear if Math was her only "bad" subject for the exit exam or how she scored on the ACT in the other areas but seems to me that if you score an 11 you didn't do well anywhere. Hell I got a 17(or was it 19 - i'll have to dig it out) on the ACT when I was in 7th grade! :p She obviously was let down by her teachers - PERIOD.

Again - this is exactly why we need exit exams. To make sure all graduates leave school with a good base education.

CkG
 

LunarRay

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upon reflection I suppose it would fall on the school, the fault.

The parent would not have reason to 'check up' on his 'A' student daughter.
The student was not mature enough to see her time wasted... perhaps she tried as indicated to improve.. but, the school has the role of educator... part of which is evaluator... they have the best view of a student's progression.. and it should be primarily in the academic arena.. but, socially as well but, as an incremental issue to the academia.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY ... Not only did they let her pass but they gave her good enough grades for her to become the valedictorian! ... CkG

She would have become the valedictorian, however she wasn't allowed to be. And wasn't allowed to participate in graduation.

NOLA.com

But a week before graduation, the test results came back. A teacher told Green she hadn't made it. She wouldn't be graduating with her class in May, and she'd have to relinquish the valedictorian title. She also had to spend six weeks in summer school studying for the retest, which was administered in July.

Sad for her, but her school is seriously screwed up. And/or the state as a whole is having issues. If you look at the state's ACT report (linked), you'll see some disappointing numbers:

In a ranking of average ACT composite scores for the sixteen Southern Regional Education Board (SREB) states, Louisiana?s average was ranked fourteenth, above the averages of South Carolina (19.2) and Mississippi (18.6). Louisiana?s average falls just below Georgia?s average
of 19.8.

...

Twenty-five of Louisiana?s 66 public school districts had increased average composite scores from 2001. Catahoula Parish showed the biggest gain of any public school district, increasing from 18.8 in 2001 to 20.3 in 2002, a 1.5-point jump. West Carroll Parish had the second largest gain, increasing from 19.5 in 2001 to 20.3 in 2002, a 0.8 jump. Thirty-five districts had decreased average composite scores from 2001, and six districts maintained the same average composite score.

So Louisiana is ranked 14th among 16 Southern Regional states. Also, LA has 35 districts (out of 66) that have posted decreased scores. That's over 50% with worse scores! It seems the state as a whole has some pretty serious educational issues.
 

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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc by definition lacks utility b/c these tests do NOT expand the skill set of children

what tests do? oh, wait, NONE! you're not supposed to be expanding your skill set taking the test, you're supposed to be expanding your skill set in the damn classroom and at home with homework, and its CLEAR that that is NOT being done
 

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Ultra Quiet, i only wish you were.
BTW be prepared for the limp-wristers to come in and lambast you for using Fox as a source.

Are you implying that i must be gay if i think that fox news i biased. I would have thought that you would be anti-gay, but at least you realise that gay people are intelligent enough to realise what a rediculous attempt at a news source Fox is. Congratulations, i wouldn't have believed you capable of such insight if i hadn't read it myself. That is so progressive of you to realise that you are less intelligent than the average homosexual. Again Congratulations, you seem to be getting something out of this forum.
 

BaliBabyDoc

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what tests do? oh, wait, NONE! you're not supposed to be expanding your skill set taking the test, you're supposed to be expanding your skill set in the damn classroom and at home with homework, and its CLEAR that that is NOT being done
The problem lies in multiple evaluations (tests) that lack followup. If an extensive amount of effort is involved in testing and test preparation (which is ALWAYS the case with high stakes testing) then you create a situation where the skill set becomes a subservient of the testing regime NOT a liberal education.

You are absolutely correct that the tests themselves NEVER expand skill sets. That's why evaluations should be an element of the educative process NOT the culmination of the educative process. During medical school it doesn't matter if you score 98 or 78 b/c you will NEVER see the exam again to find out what you know well and what you do not. Of course, if that's our perspective on the value of knowledge . . . why should we expect public schools to be any different.

My wife's elementary school scrambled to re-test kids that failed their EOGs (End of Grade). The remediation is a joke . . . basically they give individualized tutorial on test-taking NOT content b/c you cannot teach an alleged year's worth of information in a week. Some kids re-take the test twice. The next recourse is summer school where they take it again. Her school scored at 87%.
 

BaliBabyDoc

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It's an open question how many "teachers" or parents understand the utility of homework. Anecdotally, I doubt this child lacks a work ethic but going home and practicing what you clearly do not know how to do has ZERO utility. A Kaplan or Sylvan Learning Center (and $2000) would have this kid running circles around an ACT.

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