High Risk Offenders to be Injected with GPS Trackers

[Fanatical Meat]

The anklet can be cut right off and the dude can just walk away. Though running is probably smarter.
Sure they'll get an alert he cut the thing off, but that just tells them his last known location, which isnt helpful.

Funny I heard an interview with Martha Stewart, she said there were all kinds of videos on the internet about how to remove an ankle bracelet tracker and still be able to put it back on. She also mentioned something about how someone could attach it to their dog so it still moves around and the report looks realistic.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

I'm confused here. We are talking ankle bracelets vs. chips. Ankle bracelets are only worn while you are a ward of the court. Parole, pretrial etc... They come off once you have served your sentence.

From reading the story it reads like they want these chips on anyone they feel is a high risk to offend. I saw no distinction between someone having them only while on parole.

 

[feralkid]

what's acp?

Andy Capp's Pubfries.

Pretty inhumane punishment, IMO.

 

[Darwin333]

I'm not sure that I'd mind so much if it was used as a condition of parole. If we gave people, even violent criminals, that we think are rehabilitated the option of getting out early but having this device implanted or serving out their sentence then I think most would opt for it.

With that said, once their sentence/parole is served then their debt to society has been paid and they shouldn't be subjected to extreme measures such as this.

 

[Darwin333]

The anklet can be cut right off and the dude can just walk away. Though running is probably smarter.
Sure they'll get an alert he cut the thing off, but that just tells them his last known location, which isnt helpful.

I'm assuming that this is a "subdermally implanted" microchip of some sort. I can't imagine that they have made GPS receivers as well as a transmitter to send that data to the police small enough and strong enough to put very deep in the body. That means it will likely be rather easy to cut it out. At worst you might have to find a crooked doctor or vet but I doubt it would be that involved.

 

[Darwin333]

the ONLY reason they let people out on parole, with or without a tracking device, is jail is too damn expensive. Its a sad reality, the correctional system doesnt have the budget to safely keep every criminal behind bars. And we sure as hell dont want the overcrowding situation found in shitty little Asian countries with people packed in like sardines.

Not really. It's because we decide to put so many damn people in jail the vast majority of which are non-violent.

 

[Subyman]

I really don't see this as much different than the ankle bracelets. The biggest difference could be that the ankle bracelet is obvious, while this may not be. So, one could consider that the government could implant these secretly using FISC. That would be spooky.

 

[Sonikku]

Once they can rationalize building this technology the government will always have it in the shelf to employ for other uses in the future. Maybe next thing you know low risk offenders get it, then illegals. Then Muslims. By the time everyone has them but law abiding citizens the government would probably just reach a point where it's like "A fuck it, just make them all wear it already ffs". All the while it gets rationalized around more security/protection. It's for your own safety, if your kid gets kidnapped, etc. However they can make it stick.

This sets too dangerous a precedent for me to ever support.

 

[zinfamous]

Is it that much different than forcing criminals to wear ankle bracelets that can be traced? If you give most criminals the option, they'd probably prefer a tiny implanted chip over an ankle bracelet, and the effect is the same, your whereabouts can be tracked 24x7.

IIRC, the ankle bracelet is to keep them confined in a limited space, like a doggy shock collar inside an invisible fence (well, without the shock...but wouldn't that be funny?). They are only "traced" to the point that authorities are notified if they break their allowed zone.

This would be a very different thing.

 

[DrPizza]

Could the chip be destroyed by an electric current running through the person's arm/leg? Off the top of my head, it seems that it could be defeated that way.

 

[IronWing]

Could the chip be destroyed by an electric current running through the person's arm/leg? Off the top of my head, it seems that it could be defeated that way.

The electric chair would also remove any need for the chip.

 

[MajinCry]

FTFY

If there are people so dangerous, that they have to be tracked at every moment of every day, chances are they're too dangerous to be left alive.

For robbing a kid's bike...Ehhhh. That's going too far. But for, say, those who committed acts similar to the rapists and torturers of Junko Furuta? Fine by me.

 

[mizzou]

interesting, I'm sure they will find ways to get rid of them. I wonder if they could make them tamper-proof by making them explosive.

 

[FaaR]

Nelson says a recent incident involving a man who stole a teen’s bike at gunpoint in a local park highlights the need for strong action to help his community feel safer.

Hokay, so petty theft gets you a GPS tracker injected into you (how do you handle battery replacements? Wtf...), and almost bankrupting a multinational financial institution gets you billions in bailouts and millions of dollars in bonuses to the top-ranking banksters?

Yeah, I can see how that makes sense!

 

[Darwin333]

IIRC, the ankle bracelet is to keep them confined in a limited space, like a doggy shock collar inside an invisible fence (well, without the shock...but wouldn't that be funny?). They are only "traced" to the point that authorities are notified if they break their allowed zone.

This would be a very different thing.

For the most part any tracking technology regardless if it's an ankle bracelet or an implant would only be useful retroactively. There will never be enough resources to actively watch where even small numbers of criminals are in the country. Even with actual criminals on house arrest or people awaiting trial for horrendous crimes have gone on to commit other serious crimes, by the time they get an alert that the criminal has removed it or went outside of their "geofence" the bad guy is somewhere else.

You can purchase a GPS and cell phone jammer from China for under $100 these days and they are already illegal to operate in the US. So even if we can somehow make and implant it in a way in which it can't be removed for $100 it can be disabled whenever they want. Sure they can see that it's been jammed but criminals generally don't care. Plus it's better to get a ding from your probation officer than to give them proof of another a crime.

 

[Darwin333]

Hokay, so petty theft gets you a GPS tracker injected into you (how do you handle battery replacements? Wtf...), and almost bankrupting a multinational financial institution gets you billions in bailouts and millions of dollars in bonuses to the top-ranking banksters?

Yeah, I can see how that makes sense!

I was thinking the same thing about the battery. I can maybe see the GPS receiver and radio being small enough (maybe) but even the ankle devices have to be recharged fairly regularly and they aren't constrained by size. How do you make anything that has even remotely the range required and power it for months? If they have to get the battery replaced they will have to make it very easy to remove, it's not like they can perform major surgery every few weeks on a person and the cost would be absurd.

 

[hal2kilo]

Could the chip be destroyed by an electric current running through the person's arm/leg? Off the top of my head, it seems that it could be defeated that way.

Taser yourself?

 

[hal2kilo]

interesting, I'm sure they will find ways to get rid of them. I wonder if they could make them tamper-proof by making them explosive.

That's one of the first things that came to mind.

 

[SP33Demon]

There's a movie about this. Can't remember the name.

 

[Fern]

I don't see the point. Whatever it is, they haven't clearly articulated it.

Is this supposed to prevent crime? Is someone going to be sitting around watching a screen with dangerous criminals' locations on it? How would this have helped with the bike theft at the local park? "Hey, where's that dangerous criminal guy?" "Uhh, looks like he's over by the park" "OK". What good would it have done?

I can see some use solving crimes, although they don't mention that as a problem.

Unlike an ankle bracelet, which is used to confirm that a person remains in their confined location, I see little use for a location chip under these circumstances.

Fern

 

[lopri]

I would say this is a violation of bodily integrity.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I wouldn't mind seeing this as an alternative to jail, with a decade's more technological progress. If found guilty, you have to serve your entire sentence being watched, both with a GPS tracker and a bodycam. If you commit any serious crime while serving your sentence, it's unquestionable proof that you are a danger to society and need to be executed.

 

[1sikbITCH]

Seems like some Minority Report shit. We believe that some time in the future you will commit a crime. So now we treat you like a pedophile. I thought Canada was a bit more enlightened or civilized than us.

Plus even if they use it to track people currently on probation or parole, they either have to cut it out of you when the sentence is finished or you have to trust that they won't just keep on watching you.

 

[Oceanas]

So it turns out the "injection" thing was not at all what was voted on, and is just some stuff this Nelson guy (primarily) is saying they want, and apparently has no idea what is technically possible at the moment.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...racking-for-repeat-offenders/article28904663/

Mayor Walt Cobb noted the resolution does not mention microchips, and said the GPS tracking was instead a reference to new electronic-monitoring bracelets that were recently purchased by the province and have a GPS function.

Scott Nelson, a Williams Lake councillor, said he supports the province’s system but doesn’t believe it goes far enough. Mr. Nelson said he would support a system in which prolific offenders had a microchip implanted in their arms, though he agreed that was not part of the resolution that was passed.
“We just want to make sure that we chase these individuals down and monitor their activities 24/7, 365 days a year,” he said in an interview.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/gps-trackers-prolific-offenders-1.3463010

Though it wasn't specified in the motion, Nelson said council's preferred method would be to inject the trackers into offenders.


The decision came just days after a 14-year-old boy was robbed of his BMX bike at gunpoint at the city's skate park on Monday afternoon.


"I was stunned," said Nelson. "I've got young children myself. You always hear these things happen somewhere else. It's crazy."

Williams Lake Councillor Scott Nelson wants the government to start injecting prolific offenders with GPS trackers. (City of Williams Lake )

In response, Nelson felt the city needed to do more to help the local RCMP track prolific offenders in the central Interior B.C. community of about 10,000.


"There is many different ways to do it. We'd like the one where you are absolutely forced to be injected, so it can't be torn off," Nelson told CBC Radio.



"As you get out of jail, you are getting a shot of GPS and we are going to be tracking you 24 hours a day, 365 days ... We'll know everything you do, where you are, what you are up to. If there is a sense of any criminal activity, back to the hoosegow you are going to go."


Scott said the program would not target young offenders with minor offences.


"We are talking about the guys that have got sheets 14 miles long, that don't care about laws, that don't care about communities. All they are out there to do is to wreak havoc."

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/puttin...to-track-criminals-with-gps-implant-1.2792048

"Whether they’re walking downtown, whether they’re having a bath, whether they’re having dinner, we don’t care. We want to know where they are and what they’re doing," Williams Lake Coun. Scott Nelson, who introduced the motion, told CTV Vancouver.


Despite Nelson and the rest of the Williams Lake council's hopes, the proposed technology doesn't appear to exist.


Radio frequency implants, a type of microchips, have been implanted in pets but they only contain data, not the ability to provide a tracking ability.


Biohackers have recently been able to install microchips in humans, roughly the size of two grains of rice, but they only contain personal identification details.


The B.C. government says it's unaware of the technology desperately wanted by city officials.


"I am not familiar with the particular technology that is being referred to," Minister of Public Safety and Solicitor General Mike Morris told CTV News, adding that the province is working on a community safety pilot project in the area.

http://www.theprovince.com/technolo...rges+injected+chips+track/11744850/story.html

“That was the straw that broke the camel’s back, so to speak,” Mayor Walt Cobb said Thursday. “It’s got our community up in arms.”

Coun. Scott Nelson sponsored the motion, which the city will take to a meeting of northern municipalities this May, and then to the Union of B.C. Municipalities in September, aiming to persuade the provincial government to expand GPS tracking beyond ankle bracelets.

“We’re saying that doesn’t go far enough,” Nelson said. “The word ‘injectable’ comes out, and that spun everybody up — they’re thinking some Terminator kind of thing.”

Corrections B.C. introduced GPS-enabled ankle bracelets last December, and currently has 39 people being electronically supervised as part of court-ordered conditions regarding curfews and area restrictions.

Cobb said Williams Lake wants permanent monitoring of prolific offenders, and injecting GPS trackers into them would fit that bill.

“Apparently it’s something that is permanent. I don’t know whether it’s tattooed on, or exactly how it works,” Cobb said. “Ankle bracelets, you could cut off.”

Cobb went on: “I know the human rights people are going to be hueing and crying, ‘It’s an infringement of your rights.’

“But you know what, this politically correct stuff has got to go. We’ve got to start protecting the innocent, not protecting the crooks.”


Nelson said it was his understanding that some U.S. jurisdictions were already using the injectable GPS tracking for offenders. But Jay Stanley, who tracks tech-related issues for the American Civil Liberties Union, said that was news to him.

Stanley said implantable microchips were developed more than 10 years ago for identification, health-care and financial applications, but none have come into common use.

“There are GPS bracelets, ankle bracelets. but in terms of GPS chips being implanted in somebody’s body, I’ve never heard of that,” the Washington D.C.-based Stanley said.

 

[shortylickens]

what's acp?

Auto Colt Pistol.

As opposed to 45 GAP or 45 Long colt or 45 Special, which is a round hardly ever seen. I think theres also a 45 super.