High quality, low cost MicroCenter build

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Hey forum! Long story short, I was poking around MicroCenter's website the other day and ended up putting together a system which I believe strikes an amazingly good balance between price and performance. Check it out!

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Component   Item                                                       Retail   Qty   Subtotal  Tax/Ship  Total     Rebate    Net
CPU         [URL="http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0354590"]Intel Core i5 2400 LGA 1155 Boxed Processor[/URL]               $149.99    1   $149.99   $14.14    $164.13             $164.13
MOBO        [URL="http://redirect.anandtech.com/r?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.com%2FProduct%2FProduct.aspx%3FItem%3DN82E16813135291&user=u00000687"]ECS H67H2-M2(1.0) LGA 1155 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard[/URL]     $79.99    1    $79.99    $7.56     $87.55    $20.00    $67.55
SSD         [URL="http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0364779"]OCZ Technology Agility 3 60GB SSD[/URL]                          $74.99    1    $74.99    $7.07     $82.06    $15.00    $67.06
RAM         [URL="http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0347304"]Corsair XMS 8GB (4GBx2) DDR3-1333 Memory[/URL]                   $49.99    2    $99.98    $9.42    $109.40    $40.00    $69.40
PSU         [URL="http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0383681"]OCZ Technology PowerStream 520 Watt OEM PSU[/URL]                $24.99    1    $24.99    $2.36     $27.35    $10.00    $17.35
CASE        [URL="http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0323929"]Thermaltake V3 Black Edition ATX Mid Tower Computer Case[/URL]   $37.99    1    $37.99    $3.58     $41.57    $10.00    $31.57
Cooler      [URL="http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0315397"]Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus Universal CPU Cooler[/URL]          $29.99    1    $29.99    $2.83     $32.82    $10.00    $22.82      

            Total:                                                                   $497.92   $46.96    $544.88   $105.00    $439.88
All rebates AFAIK are good through Apr. 2012. Taxes are based on MC's Missouri location. The RAM MIR is 1 rebate per household, so you'll need to get creative if you want to double up. Mobo is from NewEgg, everything else is from MC.

Clearly this is just a base system. Here are a few thoughts on specific configurations:

SOHO/Light User:

This system can be trimmed down. Here, I'd look at the Core i3 2100, drop one of the RAM kits (or even look for a 4GB solution), and maybe drop the aftermarket cooler (though even here, I think it would be a good idea, esp. considering the price). I would throw in an optical drive, but I would not throw in an additional HDD, at least not until there was an established need for it.

Gaming rig:

Not much to say here. You guys know what you want. Still, for the sake of argument, I'd pop in a Core i5 2600K, pick up the video-card-d'jour, and probably upgrade the mobo. Then I'd grab a second storage HDD and an optical drive, and after double checking the PSU requirements, call it good to go. No, you won't need 16GB of RAM, but I won't be the one to try and talk you out of it. :biggrin:

Server:

This is how I plan on employing this build. I'm tempted to upgrade to the i7 2600, as I might actually use its 8 cores, but I suspect 4 will be sufficient for my needs. I don't plan on installing an optical drive, but I'd like to add four storage drives for RAID storage.

As I say, I started putting that together, and ended up with a darn good system. Thought I'd give you guys a heads-up in case you were looking into a new build, or needed something for someone else. Enjoy!
 

Ken g6

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I haven't checked, but it seems like you should be able to offset the cost of getting a 2500k and z68 enough, by a bundle discount, to match this price. The Hyper 212+ is fairly pointless unless you get a processor that can overclock.

For the SOHO/Light system, MC often has a bundleable mobo for the 2100 as well.
 

Charlie98

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Just for the sake of discussion... wouldn't you be able to get the same processor (or a better one) at MC with their CPU/mobo $50 discount cheaper than NE? They are really throwing up some good sales lately...

...and I would probably swap that Agility3 for an M4 for almost the same price (depending on sales. And this is coming from someone who HAS a 60GB Agility3...)

Otherwise, it's a pretty decent build... but don't forget an OS of your choice.
 
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Out of curiosity, are you making a recommendation for the M4, or a recommendation against the Agility 3? I don't have anything against either, its just the Agility 3 is winning the price war ATM.

I do need to check out MC's bundle deals, but there are a couple things that make this particular mobo stand out. For one, it has 4 RAM slots where most others in this price range (AR*) only have 2. That won't matter for a SOHO build, but for my application it's a definite plus. Also, and this pure personal preference, I like that it has PS/2 connections for both the mouse and keyboard. I have more than enough of these laying around, the last thing I need is to accumulate more. On top of that, this is a surprisingly feature-rich board. I read through the user manual and was impressed with the amount of control they give you on what I would classify as a budget board.

As for the after-market cooler, I think there would be sufficient benefit to justify the cost in a SOHO system. I admit that this is more of a build-specific decision, but the last time I read up on the subject (which was some time ago, maybe when Core 2 Duo was starting to hit shelves?) I read some very good articles about the stock coolers. The conclusion was that they were very well engineered, that they had just enough cooling capacity to keep up with the proc under stock conditions, but not enough to allow for any overhead. Admittedly, SOHO users won't (or rather, shouldn't) be doing any overclocking, but that is not the only advantage of an aftermarket cooler. I would argue that SOHO's would still benefit from the cooler stock temps and lower noise levels offered by aftermarket cooling. Personally, I'd say that $20 for a cooler with a proven track record is money well spent. $30? Maybe not so much.

I'll be installing Linux on this puppy (though probably not Puppy Linux), so no worries there.

Thanks for the feedback!

*AR=After Rebate.
 

Charlie98

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Out of curiosity, are you making a recommendation for the M4, or a recommendation against the Agility 3? I don't have anything against either, its just the Agility 3 is winning the price war ATM.

The M4 is (IMHO) the model of reliability by which others are judged, although the Samsung 830 is quickly matching that, from what I have seen.

The Agility3 is a SandForce controller-based drive and the SF SSDs have had some issues (just look around the memory forum, there is plenty of OCZ problem threads going on there.)

I have one, with only one hiccup (that I can't necessarily pin on the Agility) in 5 months; but were I to buy another SSD (which I will be, soon, the 60GB is too small...) I'll be going elsewhere. I don't blame OCZ, like some do, but just the combination of OCZ firmware and the SandForce controller.

From a cost-only perspective, yes, the OCZ SSD's, and, lately, the Agility3 in particular, are a very good buy... they have/had the 128GB Agility3 at $99 AR. That's pretty darned hard to pass up!
 

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I agree that the m4, even though slightly more expensive, can possibly save you some headache down the road. I've never owned a Sandforce based drive, but I've heard enough horror stories, that I would avoid them if possible.

I recommend a more reputable power supply as well. An Antec Earthwatts 380w is 80+ Bronze certified, and usually can be found for $35 or $40.

You should also be able to find 8GB of RAM for maybe $10 cheaper.
 

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The M4 is (IMHO) the model of reliability by which others are judged, although the Samsung 830 is quickly matching that, from what I have seen.

The Agility3 is a SandForce controller-based drive and the SF SSDs have had some issues (just look around the memory forum, there is plenty of OCZ problem threads going on there.)

I have one, with only one hiccup (that I can't necessarily pin on the Agility) in 5 months; but were I to buy another SSD (which I will be, soon, the 60GB is too small...) I'll be going elsewhere. I don't blame OCZ, like some do, but just the combination of OCZ firmware and the SandForce controller.

From a cost-only perspective, yes, the OCZ SSD's, and, lately, the Agility3 in particular, are a very good buy... they have/had the 128GB Agility3 at $99 AR. That's pretty darned hard to pass up!

Agree :thumbsup:
 

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This is how I plan on employing this build. I'm tempted to upgrade to the i7 2600, as I might actually use its 8 cores, but I suspect 4 will be sufficient for my needs. I don't plan on installing an optical drive, but I'd like to add four storage drives for RAID storage.

An i7 2600 is most definitely not an 8-core CPU. It's a quad core with HyperThreading, which means that it performs the same as the i5 2500 without HT in all but the most highly-threaded loads.
 
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An i7 2600 is most definitely not an 8-core CPU. It's a quad core with HyperThreading, which means that it performs the same as the i5 2500 without HT in all but the most highly-threaded loads.

Right! Thank you, important distinction. I should have been more precise.

I looked into SSD's a while back when the SandForce scandal was all the rage. It seemed to be in the sunset of its admittedly prolonged cycle. Personally, I think it got blown a bit out of proportion. Not that it wasn't a big deal, more that it seemed to be affecting a subset of users, and those who weren't affected were highly satisfied with the product. I felt that perspective was under represented in the discussion. (I'll be heading over to the memory forum right after this post.)

I'm not worried about the PSU. It has 5 eggs out of 121 reviews on NewEgg, so I'd say it's pretty solid. For the RAM, are you saying $10 less for DDR3-1333? I'm not tied to those specs, but I am interested in the comparison.

As you may have noticed, that mobo is out-of-stock on NewEgg. I haven't looked at the MC options yet, but it seems I have to go with an unlocked processor to get the bundle discount. Bit of a drag since I don't really plan on overclocking this guy, but well see. I'll scope stuff out tonight, and probably make a purchase tomorrow.
 

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I looked into SSD's a while back when the SandForce scandal was all the rage. It seemed to be in the sunset of its admittedly prolonged cycle. Personally, I think it got blown a bit out of proportion. Not that it wasn't a big deal, more that it seemed to be affecting a subset of users, and those who weren't affected were highly satisfied with the product. I felt that perspective was under represented in the discussion. (I'll be heading over to the memory forum right after this post.)

I think it is... overmagnified, overblown. I'm one of those 'highly satisfied' customers but you sort of have to babysit the SF SSD's, which is why I'll be moving away from the SF controlled SSD's next purchase. Groberts101 has a bunch of OCZ drives and, from what I've seen, has punished them quite a bit and still has some good things to say about them, but, as I say, you have to mind your manners with them for reliability sake.

...and, for what it's worth, if I was spending $50 on RAM, I'd buy THIS... in fact, I DID! I just replaced my 1600 G.Skill with this RAM and it's awesome...
 
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If it were a straight match up, I'd go with the M4. As has been said, it has a comparable price to the Agility 3 and higher reliability. Which is, of course, precisely why OCZ is offering the MIR. I'm still torn on this one. The question I'm trying to answer is "What does $20 mean to me?"

I did look into MC's mobo deals, and couldn't find anything I liked better than what I have. Most of the combo deals in a comparable price range are limited to two RAM slots. The one that had four, the Gigabyte GA-Z68AP-D3 doesn't support integrated graphics. I did find a back-up option on NE in case the ECS isn't resupplied, the MSI H67MS-E43 (B3).

Keep in mind that for the RAM I'm looking at a net expenditure of ~$70 for 16GB. I've checked NE and MC, and the best I've been able to do is match ~$17.50 per 4GB stick, I've not been able to beat it.

Once again, thank you for all of the feedback!
 

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...and, for what it's worth, if I was spending $50 on RAM, I'd buy THIS... in fact, I DID! I just replaced my 1600 G.Skill with this RAM and it's awesome...

What??? Please tell me you upgraded from 4GB to 8GB. If you just changed from one brand of RAM to another, you seriously wasted your money.
 

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I'm not worried about the PSU. It has 5 eggs out of 121 reviews on NewEgg, so I'd say it's pretty solid.

You should be worried. Just because Joe consumer uses at it and it doesn't blow up his computer doesn't mean that it's very good. It came out in 2005 and thus has a rail balance that is heavily skewed towards the 3.3V and 5V rails. Modern computers use the 12V rail almost exclusively, which effectively makes the OCZ a low efficiency 400W PSU.

For the RAM, are you saying $10 less for DDR3-1333? I'm not tied to those specs, but I am interested in the comparison.

$12 actually.
 
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You should be worried. Just because Joe consumer uses at it and it doesn't blow up his computer doesn't mean that it's very good.
True. I did look at the specs (connections, amps/rail, etc.) and was aware of the lack of energy efficiency certifications, so I was going off of more than the "5 eggs = good product" mentality.
It came out in 2005 and thus has a rail balance that is heavily skewed towards the 3.3V and 5V rails. Modern computers use the 12V rail almost exclusively, which effectively makes the OCZ a low efficiency 400W PSU.
That is very interesting. I am expecting to have a 12V heavy system, so this has caused me to reconsider. Right now I'm looking at the CORSAIR CX430 V2. $27 AR, so that looks like a pretty good deal.

I picked up everything else today, except the mobo and the PSU. I did go with the Agility 3, so wish me luck on that. Right now, it looks like the PSU is going to be the only alteration, depending on whether or not the ECS mobo gets restocked at NE. *sigh* It's so frustrating having all these parts sitting around and not being able to assemble them. :)
 

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I have been using a couple of Agility 3's for a while now.

They haven't exploded, died, or commited any hate crimes (or whatever is supposed to be wrong with them)... yet. I'd check they are the latest firmware tho.
 
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What??? Please tell me you upgraded from 4GB to 8GB. If you just changed from one brand of RAM to another, you seriously wasted your money.

2 reasons... I was getting some BSOD and memory errors with the Sniper (sort of, never did figure it out...) and I need another set for my HTPC build. So I swapped in the new set on my current build. Win, win :D
 

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2 reasons... I was getting some BSOD and memory errors with the Sniper (sort of, never did figure it out...) and I need another set for my HTPC build. So I swapped in the new set on my current build. Win, win :D

Busted RAM should be solved via RMA, not by buying a new set. If you needed some more RAM for another build, that is fine. But don't make it sound like you got some huge performance boost by "upgrading".
 

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True. I did look at the specs (connections, amps/rail, etc.) and was aware of the lack of energy efficiency certifications, so I was going off of more than the "5 eggs = good product" mentality.That is very interesting. I am expecting to have a 12V heavy system, so this has caused me to reconsider. Right now I'm looking at the CORSAIR CX430 V2. $27 AR, so that looks like a pretty good deal.

I picked up everything else today, except the mobo and the PSU. I did go with the Agility 3, so wish me luck on that. Right now, it looks like the PSU is going to be the only alteration, depending on whether or not the ECS mobo gets restocked at NE. *sigh* It's so frustrating having all these parts sitting around and not being able to assemble them. :)

The Corsair is not a bad deal at all IMHO.
 

Charlie98

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Busted RAM should be solved via RMA, not by buying a new set. If you needed some more RAM for another build, that is fine. But don't make it sound like you got some huge performance boost by "upgrading".

Never said that. However, I did overclock it quite easily, beyond what the Sniper was at stock, with lower voltage and no BSOD's or memory errors in testing. It has a lower profile, which fits under my 212+ heat exchanger. And, although I'm just a dumb pool guy, it's my understanding the components on the Samsung RAM are of better design and quality than the G.Skill, although that is subjective. That's awesome in my book, but I'm easily amused.

As far as busted RAM, I said I wasn't sure if it was the RAM or the Agility3 (or a combination therof.) I'm not necessarily blaming the components, and I don't have the capacity to fart around RMA'ing RAM, I had the Samsung on the way the very evening I started having problems as a stop-gap measure to keep my rig running in the event it actually was a RAM failure.

If I was spending upwards of $50 on RAM, to do it over again, I would get the Samsung RAM every time, and twice on Sunday. :D