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Higgs Boson might have been found

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Apparently, both the ATLAS and CMS experiments are independently seeing a Higgs signal, and the predicted mass of the particle agrees with the experimental results. In particle physics-speak, the Higgs appears to have a mass of 125 GeV (giga­electronvolts).
The upshot is that if this is proven, one of physics' bedrock theories -- the Standard Model -- is holding steady. If the Higgs does exist with this mass, then perhaps some more tricky Universal mysteries can be resolved.
If the insider-trading-like rumors are substantiated, the ATLAS detection has been measured to a 3.5-sigma certainty and the CMS result has been measured to a 2.5-sigma certainty. All these "sigmas" may not mean much, but they are a measure of the statistical certainty of a given result.
In an earlier Discovery News article Sean Carroll, senior research associate in the Department of Physics at Caltech, shed some light on what this means.
"Three-sigma events happen occasionally, especially when you look at a lot of data," he said. "But it could be real."
At 3.5-sigma, the ATLAS measurement has a 0.1 percent chance of being a "random fluke." The 2.5-sigma result has a 1 percent chance of being a fluke. With those odds, it's little wonder there's some excitement stirring. However, particle physicists are meticulous about their statistics before going public with any discovery.
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Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011...ggs-boson-discovery/?test=faces#ixzz1fruC8MNn

Personally, I think it would have been more fun had it never been found...or confirmed to not exist. Still, very exciting news.
 
Ugh, preparing for another flood of news articles with stupid "god particle" references.
 
Isn't that in the range they've already excluded it from? I also wonder if this news is coming out due to all the other news that has been shitting on the Standard Model.
 
while it would be really funny if the higgs boson is discovered by tevatron rather than europe's giant machine, i kinda wish no one ever finds it. if it's discovered, the universe becomes more boring.
 
Standing by for "I told you so"

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ElFenix said:
while it would be really funny if the higgs boson is discovered by tevatron rather than europe's giant machine, i kinda wish no one ever finds it. if it's discovered, the universe becomes more boring.
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Doesn't this pave the way for more stuff to be invented in the future?
 
ElFenix said:
while it would be really funny if the higgs boson is discovered by tevatron rather than europe's giant machine, i kinda wish no one ever finds it. if it's discovered, the universe becomes more boring.
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Understanding gravity would be freaking amazing. Just think if we were able to manipulate gravity the same way we do electricity.

This would be a huge discovery. But it's just a rumor and I wouldn't put much stock in it till it's verified. I really hope it is.
 
I won't hold my breath over this. This would be outside the expected energy range for the Higgs. Regarding the control of gravity the Higgs is not responsible for that. All the Higgs field does fix the characteristics of mass in matter. While gravity interacts with matter in a mass dependent way it doesn't determine mass itself. For now all the Higgs would tell us is that the Standard Model applies more or less as expected. It would be interesting to see what the state of physics will be in 10 and 20 years after either the discovery of the Higgs or the exclusion of it's existence, but I have no fear that the universe will ever become boring. People will be scratching their heads forever.
 
ElFenix said:
while it would be really funny if the higgs boson is discovered by tevatron rather than europe's giant machine, i kinda wish no one ever finds it. if it's discovered, the universe becomes more boring.
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Seeing as how Tevatron has been shutdown that's pretty unlikely to happen 🙁
 
cybrsage said:
Personally, I think it would have been more fun had it never been found...or confirmed to not exist.
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That's the thing about people that aren't religious. They care less about what which fairy tale would be fun or interesting. They care about the truth.
 
Infohawk said:
That's the thing about people that aren't religious. They care less about what which fairy tale would be fun or interesting. They care about the truth.
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This has nothing to do with religious, you silly goon.

Reformulating what we know about science is what would be more exciting. For example, if Obama had to take a paternity test to see if his two daughters are his or not, and it came out positive, would that be exciting? No...but if it came out negative...well, THAT is exciting.
 
ElFenix said:
while it would be really funny if the higgs boson is discovered by tevatron rather than europe's giant machine, i kinda wish no one ever finds it. if it's discovered, the universe becomes more boring.
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I'd bet that the more we learn, the more we will realize we know nothing. We are probably a LONG ways from the universe being boring.
 
cybrsage said:
He hates religion so much he sees it everywhere he looks. He adds it where it was never mentioned so he can rail against it.
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Most of your posts suggest you are a zealot IMO. A good example was your post suggesting that until recently evolution was a dumb theory (or something similarly stupid to that effect) when in fact evolution's been accepted by the scientific community for over a hundred years.
 
Infohawk said:
Most of your posts suggest you are a zealot IMO. A good example was your post suggesting that until recently evolution was a dumb theory (or something similarly stupid to that effect) when in fact evolution's been accepted by the scientific community for over a hundred years.
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Wow...you really are a lame. Sigh....here it is again, so more people can see just how lame you are:

cybrsage said:
Infohawk said:
WTF does that even mean?
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It means exactly what it says. Critical thinking is not your forte, apparently.

OK...it means:

Several years ago - well, this means several years ago
the current theory of evolution at that time - this means that the theory we have today is not the same as it was prior to today and I am referencing that version of the theory
was pretty lame - was not very good in light of what we have today



Not only that but evolution has been scientifically robust for more than a century.
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Wrong. It has undergone massive changed over the last century.


You are obviously a religious zealot with an agenda with regards to evolution. I think pretty much anyone can pick up on it in this thread despite your claims.
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Your bigotry refuses to allow those who are both passionately religions AND accenting of the theory of evolution to exist. You are patently wrong.


...a bunch of vitriol that cement the obvious fact that I am a bigot who only sees what I want to see...
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You not only hung yourself, but you provided your own rope.
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Of course, your statement was based on this post:

cybrsage said:
While I do not know the exact nature of their question, I have to say that several years ago the current theory of evolution at that time was pretty lame. It did not match the data at all, and those who mentioned this lack of supporting data were being told that it will never be found, but to hold a faith based belief that it existed (faith is belief without proof).

Now that a form of saltation and punctuated equilibrium have been incorporated into the theory, the theory is far more likely to be correct. It now matches the data far more closely than before.


I do find it interesting that Christians base their view that evolution is bunk on the Jewish writings....but Jews use those same scriptures and have no problem with it.

My view is that evolution only enhances the power of God. Rather than just poofing things into existance, He had to cause the Big Bang to happen in the exact right way for the laws and such we have today to form...so that stars and planets would form...so that the Earth would form...so that asteroids would strike and shift the handedness of our proteins and sugars...so that life would begin in clay (a type of clay mimicks the casing needed by RNA to replicate)...so that it could slowly change and end up as humanity...just like God wanted it to be.

Evolution, etc., is not detracting form God...but rather increases the glory of God. 🙂

I heard it said once that one of the best ways to learn more about the Creator is to study the Creation. Science is our attempt to do that.
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I wonder why you like making yourself look foolish in front of your peers. Why do you do it?
 
cybrsage said:
True, especially in light of the potential "light speed barrier" being broken.
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Exactly. We were so certain of this light speed barrier... but now look. I firmly believe we only understand a very very very small percentage of what is around us. The more we learn the more we will realize how little we know.
 
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