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Fencer128

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Originally posted by: WhiteKnight77
Originally posted by: Fencer128
Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet
I wonder where all the outrage is over black only organizations and events.

Such as?

Andy

Haven't you heard of Black History Month or Black Miss USA pagent. If there was a White History Month or a White Miss USA pagent the civil rights leaders would be screaming bloody murder. Truth be told I feel that blacks are bigger racists than whites. Now before you think I am that way, I am not. Civil rights leaders scream for equality all the time, but they can't get past having Black this or Black that. What about quotas and affirmative action. It may have been needed at one time, but it's a dead horse now too.

Never heard of that as I am British. How is Black History Month denying whites in the same way black people are denied entry to a white only prom?

I agree that a miss black USA could be taken for equivalent to a miss white USA and so be offending.

Cheers,

Andy
 

Siddhartha

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Originally posted by: Fencer128
Originally posted by: WhiteKnight77
Originally posted by: Fencer128
Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet
I wonder where all the outrage is over black only organizations and events.

Such as?

Andy

Haven't you heard of Black History Month or Black Miss USA pagent. If there was a White History Month or a White Miss USA pagent the civil rights leaders would be screaming bloody murder. Truth be told I feel that blacks are bigger racists than whites. Now before you think I am that way, I am not. Civil rights leaders scream for equality all the time, but they can't get past having Black this or Black that. What about quotas and affirmative action. It may have been needed at one time, but it's a dead horse now too.

Never heard of that as I am British. How is Black History Month denying whites in the same way black people are denied entry to a white only prom?

I agree that a miss black USA could be taken for equivalent to a miss white USA and so be offending.

Cheers,

Andy

Events like Ms Black USA and Black History Month are the results of over 200 years of US, apartheid, separate but unequal policies. Until recently, in the US people with dark skin were denied participation in most cultural, educational, economic activities.
 

RyanM

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Originally posted by: Dr Smooth
Originally posted by: Fencer128
Originally posted by: WhiteKnight77
Originally posted by: Fencer128
Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet
I wonder where all the outrage is over black only organizations and events.

Such as?

Andy

Haven't you heard of Black History Month or Black Miss USA pagent. If there was a White History Month or a White Miss USA pagent the civil rights leaders would be screaming bloody murder. Truth be told I feel that blacks are bigger racists than whites. Now before you think I am that way, I am not. Civil rights leaders scream for equality all the time, but they can't get past having Black this or Black that. What about quotas and affirmative action. It may have been needed at one time, but it's a dead horse now too.

Never heard of that as I am British. How is Black History Month denying whites in the same way black people are denied entry to a white only prom?

I agree that a miss black USA could be taken for equivalent to a miss white USA and so be offending.

Cheers,

Andy

Events like Ms Black USA and Black History Month are the results of over 200 years of US, apartheid, separate but unequal policies. Until recently, in the US people with dark skin were denied participation in most cultural, educational, economic activities.

So what you're saying is this:

The correct way to make up for 200 years of indignities and discrimination, by previous generations, is to create policies which focus the discimination on a different group?

Forgive me for pulling a Wayne Campbell, but that makes total sense. Not.

The way to make up for a past of discrimination is to end the discrimination and make everyone equal. Let's start by removing race from college, loan, and other such applications. Where we go from there is up to you.
 

BaliBabyDoc

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Events like Ms Black USA and Black History Month are the results of over 200 years of US, apartheid, separate but unequal policies. Until recently, in the US people with dark skin were denied participation in most cultural, educational, economic activities.

True . . . but many in the black (minority) community adopted a "holier-than-thou" attitude which is just another type of bias/prejudice.

Regardles, many people with non-Caucasian features continue to be "retarded" in their participation in cultural, educational, and economic activities because of the legacy effect of certain practices of the majority. But a poor, GA boy or girl who works their arse off to "qualify" for an elite institution of higher learning or a scholarship should get the same consideration as an uppity high yellow kid from the suburbs of Cook County.
 

ConclamoLudus

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It is their right to do this as far as I can tell, but it is also their right to be pathetic ineffectual losers that cannot cope with the world. These guys better stay in Georgia because they'll never make it outside of the south with that kind of irrational fear of feeling inferior. Sad...racism like this today is just an inferiority complex. People too terrified to realize they might not be the greatest, and they conveniently reflect it onto a group of people who they are taught from birth to be inferior
 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Tiger
You ever see white guys dance? It's embarrassing!
Speak for yourself twinkle toes.:D

I speak for myself and 99% of white male Hetrosexuals in America

I'm picturing Red Dawn "Walk the Dinosaur" or doing the "Safety Dance"

And we are all picturing you doing the "Worm" :)

I do a pretty mean moonwalk :)
 

Richdog

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Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Georgians Plan Whites-Only Prom Party

In retaliation to the first(!!) integrated prom in the history of this community of hicks, a number of white students are planning on holding a separate "white only" prom! I could not beleive this! The best part is, they have a white student body president and a black one. Does anyone else find this absolutely amazing? In 21st century America, none the less. I'm dumbfounded, and I'm a Texan!




Only in America...
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Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Tiger
You ever see white guys dance? It's embarrassing!
Speak for yourself twinkle toes.:D

I speak for myself and 99% of white male Hetrosexuals in America

I'm picturing Red Dawn "Walk the Dinosaur" or doing the "Safety Dance"

And we are all picturing you doing the "Worm" :)

I do a pretty mean moonwalk :)
Words out that you look just like Michael Jackson when you do the Moon Walk!

 

yowolabi

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Okay, a few things.

- A racist is someone who feels people are inferior because of their skin color, not someone who recognizes the fact that race still plays a role in our society. I point to a recent University of Chicago study that showed that applicants for jobs who had obviously Black names were far less likely to be called in for an interview. If I recognize that there are ingrained prejudices that make it harder on someone because of race, and push for steps to be taken to combat that, I'm not a racist. A racist would be someone who took a look at a person and judged them to be inferior. Someone who didn't want to associate with someone on the basis of race alone.


- Black History month was created in acknowledgement that the entire year is White History month. Standard curriculum in grade schools has long taught European history, but not taught any African history. If you look through a grade school book, you would also be hard pressed to find more than two Black people other than Martin Luther King mentioned by name. Black people are only mentioned beyond that as being slaves. A child who only learned history through the books in class would conclude that Black people did not do anything noteworthy other than be slaves, and then become free. The intent of Black History Month is to correct a deficiency and show that there were plenty of important and noteworthy Black people throughout history. It was originally established as just one week to occur in the week that included Abraham Lincoln's and Frederick Douglass' birthday, but was expanded in 1976 as part of our Bicentennial. It's not an attempt to say "Black people are better", but more of an attempt to say "Black people are also relevant to history".

- The Miss Black America pageant came into being for one reason, and one reason only. BLACK PEOPLE WERE NOT ALLOWED INTO THE MISS AMERICA PAGEANT in 1968 when it was formed. Even when Blacks were eventually allowed in, there was no real chance to win. What the competition had decided as a standard for beauty wasn't what a Black woman looked like. Is Miss Black America still needed today? I don't know. There's an argument either way. How representative of the entire population is Miss America today?



What people seem to forget so easily is that it wasn't very long ago when Blacks were not allowed into the mainstream, often by law. They were relegated to the backs of busses, unable to purchase property in white neighborhoods, not given any representation in the media except as a derogatory character, not allowed to enter front doors. The various things that sprang up with the word "Black" in the title were absolutely necessary to address what was happening. The stratification of Black people and Black culture to the rim of society. Black achievement, Black artists, Black history, Black culture, was being ignored by the mainstream dominant culture and there was no alternative but to set up "Black" events to contrast the "White" ones or else lose all positive self identity. Just because they didn't call it Miss "White" America doesn't mean that's not what it was. As the majority and the dominant culture, the word "White" was often implied. The problem with a "White" event is that there can be no argument that it sprang up because they were not represented in the official event. The only reason for a "White" event is to exclude other races because of race.

- Those who claim that there has been or is only one America are being naive or lacking in racial experience. When did race cease to matter? After the Civil Rights Law in 1964? Once the law was passed, did the minds of the people who made that law necessary suddenly change? If not, when did it change. When did everything become equal, and race cease to exist? It is obviously a gradual and slow process towards race ceasing to matter. The Emancipation Proclamation was in 1863, yet it wasn't until 1964, 100 years later, that there was enough progress to say "you can't officially treat me worse because of my race". One has only to take a look at these teens with their white-only prom to know that the feelings behind racism have not been eradicated because even new generations are being indoctrinated.
 

WhiteKnight77

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That may have been true when first started, but we are now 30+ years past the formation of said pagent and such. I live in Atlanta and when a state Senator Raph David Abernathy got busted for misuse of public funds (son of a civil rights leader no less) Reverand Lowery and other civil rights activists played the race card on his "treatment". When blacks get past playing the race card for everything can we all actually be part of the human race.

I work with, am friends with and have even dated (women) blacks. They will be the first to tell ya that I am not a racist. Being in the military and growing up around the military, you are exposed to lots of thing and one thing you can't be is racist. Yes even at one time the military was as segragated as the outside world, but as seen in the Iraqi Freedom campaign, blacks can get past barriers and become something (IMO becomeing a General isn't easy for anyone,) but until they can quit seeing things in black and white race wise, they will never think of themselves as equals.
 

ConclamoLudus

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Originally posted by: yowolabi
Okay, a few things.

- A racist is someone who feels people are inferior because of their skin color, not someone who recognizes the fact that race still plays a role in our society.
- Black History month was created in acknowledgement that the entire year is White History month.
- The Miss Black America pageant came into being for one reason, and one reason only. BLACK PEOPLE WERE NOT ALLOWED INTO THE MISS AMERICA PAGEANT in 1968 when it was formed.
- Those who claim that there has been or is only one America are being naive or lacking in racial experience. When did race cease to matter? After the Civil Rights Law in 1964?

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These are very great points. To me it never made a lot of sense to get upset about Black history month etc. Black history month is a way, that like you said, to bring positive Blacks into the spotlight other than the "slave role" that is usually taught as the role in history. Its a shame that it takes a seperate month to spotlight blacks in history, but it has to be done somehow and it isn't being done enough yet in a regular curriculum.

I agree that Racism today is still alive and kickin' and that it is really a mindset. I don't believe you can legislate against it, at least very easily. I don't like the idea of affirmative action, mostly because I think it can send the wrong message to Blacks. It has the possibility of being perceived as "the only way a Black guy/gal can get ahead, is to have some whites step aside and give it to him/her".

I also have a hard time with the idea of paying reperations. One can make the argument that all whites have benefited from slavery somehow, but who is going to count heads and decide who is black and who is not, so that the reperations can get paid. And I don't think that this will do anything at all to help the mindset of the racists that persist. I think that it would hurt relations in the end.
 

flavio

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Originally posted by: yowolabi
What people seem to forget so easily is that it wasn't very long ago when Blacks were not allowed into the mainstream, often by law. They were relegated to the backs of busses, unable to purchase property in white neighborhoods, not given any representation in the media except as a derogatory character, not allowed to enter front doors. The various things that sprang up with the word "Black" in the title were absolutely necessary to address what was happening. The stratification of Black people and Black culture to the rim of society. Black achievement, Black artists, Black history, Black culture, was being ignored by the mainstream dominant culture and there was no alternative but to set up "Black" events to contrast the "White" ones or else lose all positive self identity. Just because they didn't call it Miss "White" America doesn't mean that's not what it was. As the majority and the dominant culture, the word "White" was often implied. The problem with a "White" event is that there can be no argument that it sprang up because they were not represented in the official event. The only reason for a "White" event is to exclude other races because of race.

Look I agree with many of your points but you also have to look at it from other points of view as well. For example in college one of my best friends was a member of the National Society for Black Engineers (NSBE) which used to be a common point of discussion. I had no National Association for White Computer Scientists or even any type of national organization at all.

NSBE had big regional conferences where many employers came looking specifically for black engineers to fill their diversity programs. My friend easily found great jobs on two occasions through these conferences.

My friend also had most of his tuition paid for through a scholarship only available to black students. I met all the qualifications for his scholarship except I was the wrong color.

So while he gets his school paid for and presented with targeted job opportunities, I have to scrape up jobs on Monster and pay off student loans.

There's no doubt that things like AA and raced based groups and events were and many times still are needed, but at some point they are going to be doing as much harm as good by enforcing divisions along racial lines. I don't know what the answer is or how they should be phased out, but as long as they exist we will continue to have problems.

 

LilBlinbBlahIce

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Tiger
You ever see white guys dance? It's embarrassing!
Speak for yourself twinkle toes.:D

I speak for myself and 99% of white male Hetrosexuals in America

I second. I went to a club with some of my black friends and I was schooled. The cool thing was some girl thought I was physically disabled and bought me a drink. I stopped dancing after that.
 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Tiger
You ever see white guys dance? It's embarrassing!
Speak for yourself twinkle toes.:D

I speak for myself and 99% of white male Hetrosexuals in America

I'm picturing Red Dawn "Walk the Dinosaur" or doing the "Safety Dance"

And we are all picturing you doing the "Worm" :)

I do a pretty mean moonwalk :)
Words out that you look just like Michael Jackson when you do the Moon Walk!

That you, bubbles?

 

Red Dawn

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The cool thing was some girl thought I was physically disabled and bought me a drink.
Ahahaha. I still can't get those horrible scenes out of my mind of Patrick Swayze during his Castro Street Cavalier impressions in the movie "Dirty Dancing" His performance rated a "10" on the Bonsesmoker Poll!
 

razor2025

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I agree in the basic essense of affirmative action and other "make things equal for everyone" policy. However, politics and overzealous Civil Rights leader often twist it into something stupid and ineffective.

For example, I don't believe in affirmative action in college entrance. All applicant should be measured by his/her grades, scores, and other academic/community factors NOT their race. It angers me when a Hispanic student with 1200 SAT and a 3.3 GPA was chosen over a white student who scored a 1500 on SAT and held 3.8 GPA just because the university needed more Hispanic student.

I'm not criticizing the Blacks in general, just certain black people I've met over time. These black people have a certain attitude that they think they deserve more respect and privillege than other people. When these people offend others, they try to excuse it by saying "we were opressed for so long, so we should be able to get away with it".
 

LilBlinbBlahIce

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Originally posted by: Jadow
Originally posted by: Fencer128
Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet
I wonder where all the outrage is over black only organizations and events.

Such as?

Andy

the NBA draft

HAHAHA:)

Seriously though, the way I look at it, events such as Black Miss USA etc, appear a lot less offending than say a White Miss USA is that Blacks have been oppressed for so long. i don't really think it's a minority issue as much as it is an oppression one. White people were the oppressors, so when they have an exclusionary activity such as a white only prom, it appears as though they are once again oppressing blacks. Black people were the ones being oppressed, so a black only activity may be a forum where they feel that they can be judged fairly and eqally. Like I said earlier, I don't think it is a minority issue because most minorities in the US did not have to deal with the stigma of slavery nor were they affected by such things as the civil rights movement. Of course, I am not black, so everything I'm saying is strictly IMO. If there is anyone black who would like to offer a different perspective on this issue, I think it would be really interesting.