Question Hi Silicon (Huawei) Proccesor and SoC thread

[DZero]

And... it happened. Huawei released another 8000 series processor and is now full custom.

Oh boy...



Kirin 8020 is official. And interesting enough... All are Taishan cores
- 1 Big Taishan @ 2.28 Ghz (2 threads)
- 3 Mid Taishan @ 2.05 Ghz (6 Threads)
- 4 Little Taishan @ 1.30 Ghz (no HT)


No info for now about the GPU, is likely to be a Maleoon GPU. And no info about the performance, expecting to be on par with SD 865, which with optimizations might end into Vanilla 8 Gen 1 territory.

 

[Panino Manino]

Because of the weaker hardware Huawei needs to compensate in the software.
Good performance improvement on EXT4: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-6.17-EXT4

EXT4 Shows Wild Gains With Better Block Allocation Scalability In Linux 6.17​

Baokun Li of Huawei has been pursuing better scalability of the EXT4 block allocation code. With Linux servers continuing to have more CPU cores and more containers being loaded on each server, Huawei began noticing scalability issues within the EXT4 file-system driver code. Profiling showed that there was significant contention within EXT4's block allocation/free code path leading to significant performance hits when running many containers atop an EXT4 file-system.

But with a set of 18 patches and after going through three rounds of review, the scalability enhancements to the EXT4 block allocation code are now in Linux 6.17. Simply put, the fallocate operations per container per second are able to come up significantly when looking at the upper percentiles:

 

[Doug S]

Because of the weaker hardware Huawei needs to compensate in the software.
Good performance improvement on EXT4: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-6.17-EXT4

Ah man, I ran into this issue on a gig about 10 years ago! Client was using a fully loaded all flash EMC Symmetrix that cost $insanity but performance of a critical component was limited by exactly this issue in ext4. I created a benchmark to demonstrate the problem and sent to it RedHat, but they couldn't reproduce it because they didn't have anything that could handle that amount of I/O (this was before IBM bought them)

After some back and forth with them with it turned out they DID have access to a server with 2 TB of RAM, so after some tweaking on my end to shrink the space requirement they were able to reproduce the issue using a 1.8 TB ext4 on ramfs lol! The client couldn't wait on a fix (though I'm sure they weren't expecting they'd have to wait a decade) so they ended up having to make some fairly major changes to how their application functioned to work around it. And before someone suggests xfs, the reason we were using ext4 was because we'd already run into OTHER problems on xfs...

 

[yuri69]

Because of the weaker hardware Huawei needs to compensate in the software.

Intel as one of the largest Kernel contributors: because Intel hardware has been weak during those post-Conroe years, they needed to compensate in the software!

 

[DZero]

Interesting enough... seems that Harmony OS Next is doing miracles in the Kirin 8020 which is an underclocked 9020.

HiSilicon Kirin 8020: specs and benchmarks

HiSilicon Kirin 8020: performance tests in benchmarks (AnTuTu 10, GeekBench 6). Battery life and full specifications.

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Huwi_hype HiSilicon Kirin 8020 result | NR

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Literally on the tier of the Dimensity 8300. So Kirin 9020 could enter on the realm of the 8400. So they are not that far after all.



That made me think... since Huawei is producing more and more Kirins 9020 and 8020, is time to see a 7020 with the defective 8020 with lower scores for the entry devices? With that they can end the Kirin 710, close the direct ARM royalties and only pay for the ARM uArch for the custom ones.

Because of the weaker hardware Huawei needs to compensate in the software.
Good performance improvement on EXT4: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-6.17-EXT4

With the previous post I made, you are right, they can go full SW to compensate the lack of hardware. And Harmony OS Next is a clear proof of that.

 

[Panino Manino]

Interesting enough... seems that Harmony OS Next is doing miracles in the Kirin 8020 which is an underclocked 9020.

Everyone noticed when they released the Pura 80 Ultra with Android, benchmark numbers were horrendous. No improvement or lower numbers than the Pura 70 Ultra.

It goes to show again the advantages of paring hardware and software (except for Google with it's mediocre Tensor).

 

[DZero]

Everyone noticed when they released the Pura 80 Ultra with Android, benchmark numbers were horrendous. No improvement or lower numbers than the Pura 70 Ultra.

It goes to show again the advantages of paring hardware and software (except for Google with it's mediocre Tensor).

Indeed, seems that EMUI OS is done for and Harmony OS is the way to go.

Meanwhile:

Huawei Mate 80’s Kirin 9030 to bring new breakthroughs in performance

Huawei has made a dynamic move at the Mate XTs tri-fold launch event by officially announcing the Kirin 9020 chip. And this step suggests that the upcoming Kirin 9030 chipset for the Huawei Mate 80 will unlock breakthroughs in performance. Weibo leaker @DigitalChatStation has dropped some...

www.huaweicentral.com

If Huawei manages to defeat Tensor G5 from Google it will be a MASSIVE win for them, and a dissaster for Google since has all the tools, but didn't managed to make a decent chip.

 

[DZero]

Well. On a pack of news...
Huawei will try to revive the Mate 70

Huawei Mate 70 Premium Edition can use this optimized Kirin chip

Huawei Mate 70 Premium Edition is expected to debut this month, and its chip details have now started emerging on the internet. And this processor is seemingly different from the previous Kirin chipset versions. Let’s check the info on this new chip. SuperDimensional has shared some details on...

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And might use a Kirin 9020A... remember the Kirin 8000A?
I fear that the chip will have less cores... again.

On other news

Huawei Nova Flip S chip details leaked, revealing key upgrades

Huawei Nova Flip S chip is becoming a buzz in the market. The company has used a mid-range Kirin 8 series processor for the previous-gen model. And it may continue this move with the upcoming pocket-friendly vertical foldable smartphone. The new foldable recently appeared at a certification...

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There are rumours that the Kirin 8030 will debut if the chip is NOT the 8020. And remember, Kirin 8030 is likely to be the Kirin 9030 underclocked.
I guess, is time to introduce "Lite" phones (like the Mate or P series) with the 8020 processor? That thing is on par with Dimensity 8200 on Harmony OS and Dimensity 8020 with the EMUI.

And finally

Confirmed! Three Huawei Mate 80 models listed on 3C, launch imminent?

Huawei Mate 80 series models were rumored to enter the 3C certification database. But a new leak has confirmed that the flagship models have received their first approval. At the same time, this info points out an imminent release of the new lineup. A few days ago, DigitalChatStation said Huawei...

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There are 3 Huawei Mate models and the vanilla has a different model:
- Vanilla with Kirin 9020
- Pro with Kirin 9030
- Pro Plus with Kirin 9030

 

[DZero]

And well... the Flip S didn't come with Kirin 8030, but just with 8020

Huawei Nova Flip S coming soon with familiar look and improved chip

Amid the hustle of the Mate 80 series launch preparations, Huawei is also working on its mid-range foldable – the Nova Flip S, which will debut with a familiar look but hold an improved chip. The device is almost ready to set foot on the release stage. FixedFocus noted that the Huawei Nova Flip...

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