HHO powered combustion engines

[Tempered81]

i was just on youtube and watching this video called "power tube"

this crazy woodsman makes a pvc contraption with hydrogen/oxygen electrolysis and powers his minivan off of it. some guy said he gets over 100mpg. half gas/hydrogen

he has a little 10 minute how-to guide to build your own "power tube"

pretty interesting stuff, think i might put one on my old rusty jeep

 

[Eli]

I've been thinking about putting some cells in my Insight. Theres plenty of room in the engine bay.

I've been wanting to get back into my projects anyway...

 

[her209]

A link would have been nice.

 

[DrPizza]

*cough* bullshit *cough*

You're not going to get 100mpg, especially with a minivan.

 

[bignateyk]

Originally posted by: jaredpace
i was just on youtube and watching this video called "power tube"

this crazy woodsman makes a pvc contraption with hydrogen/oxygen electrolysis and powers his minivan off of it. some guy said he gets over 100mpg. half gas/hydrogen

he has a little 10 minute how-to guide to build your own "power tube"

pretty interesting stuff, think i might put one on my old rusty jeep

please tell me you are joking.

 

[FrustratedUser]

link to video

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
*cough* bullshit *cough*

You're not going to get 100mpg, especially with a minivan.

He could be, just based on raw numbers. We don't know how he powers the electrolysis device.

With these systems, the engine doesn't run completely off gasoline or HHO.

When you're cruising on the highway, you turn the HHO flow on. You need to connect it to the intake before the MAF.

Since HHO gas is now occupying some space that normal intake air would, the MAF sees this reduced oxygen and reduces the amount of fuel injected.

But actual combustion/energy production is only affected slightly.

I'm sure the claim is exaggerated, but still. I bet I could get 100MPG in the Insight with a system installed. lol

 

[DrPizza]

Before you even waste $1 on PVC, stop and think about it. If it was that simple to increase mileage from 22mpg to 100mpg, why don't any of the auto makers use that technology??

They've spent millions of dollars on R&D to come up with hybrids. Don't you think they'd have skipped over all that effort and gone straight to the 100mpg cars that require little more than some PVC? Or maybe it's because the collective of all the engineers from GM, Toyota, Honda, Hyundai, and every other car manufacturer are idiots, especially compared to this guy who gets 100mpg?

or is there a simpler solution? i.e. the claim is bogus.

Or, is there a nefarious solution: the 100mpg claims are being put out by the PVC industry in order to increase sales among the DIY crowd.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: DrPizza
*cough* bullshit *cough*

You're not going to get 100mpg, especially with a minivan.

He could be, just based on raw numbers. We don't know how he powers the electrolysis device.

With these systems, the engine doesn't run completely off gasoline or HHO.

When you're cruising on the highway, you turn the HHO flow on. You need to connect it to the intake before the MAF.

Since HHO gas is now occupying some space that normal intake air would, the MAF sees this reduced oxygen and reduces the amount of fuel injected.

But actual combustion/energy production is only affected slightly.

I'm sure the claim is exaggerated, but still. I bet I could get 100MPG in the Insight with a system installed. lol

Well, I suppose you're right. We don't know how he powers the electrolysis device. I suppose I could install a gas tank on an electric car and claim that I get infinite mpg with the gas I put in it. The claim was 100mpg, not "100 miles per gallon of gas and 20 fully charged deep cell 12 Volt batteries"

 

[dguy6789]

Yup, bogus. I remember a thread a while back where some people totally destroyed the guy's conjured up claims of an HHO molecule.

 

[FrustratedUser]

He probably powers it from the 12V battery.

 

[TheSlamma]

Sounds like he's turning his minivan into a bomb

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: DrPizza
*cough* bullshit *cough*

You're not going to get 100mpg, especially with a minivan.

He could be, just based on raw numbers. We don't know how he powers the electrolysis device.

With these systems, the engine doesn't run completely off gasoline or HHO.

When you're cruising on the highway, you turn the HHO flow on. You need to connect it to the intake before the MAF.

Since HHO gas is now occupying some space that normal intake air would, the MAF sees this reduced oxygen and reduces the amount of fuel injected.

But actual combustion/energy production is only affected slightly.

I'm sure the claim is exaggerated, but still. I bet I could get 100MPG in the Insight with a system installed. lol

You'd have to use a battery to power the electrolysis, or the alternator. If you're powering it with a battery, you're taking whatever energy losses power stations have, and then reducing it further by using the hydrogen as fuel which would only be 20% efficient. If you're using the alternator, same thing except you're burning more of the gas in the van.

 

[BrownTown]

I think its funny how people write HHO like it is now suddenly different than H2O (WATER), its total BS from start to finish. IF you have even the most basic understanding of physics, chemistry, or thermodynamics you will understand why it is totally impossible to get more energy out than you put in. Now sure it is physically possible to burn hydrogen in a good old ICE, but that hydrogen has to come from somewhere, and the energy is the hydrogen released by electrolosys of water is only a small fraction of the energy needed to brake up the water molecule.

EDIT: I also just wanna note how so many of these silly scheme come up and get posted on different forums and stuff and have to be shot down a million times. They always involve some supposed genius dude working in his garage or something like that who suddenly stumbles on some amazing new source of energy. The fact of the matter is that this is more or less impossible these days. If and when amazing new developments come in the energy sector they will not be some random dude in their garage, they will be the result of multi billion dollar research and development initiative undertaken by HUGE companies or the government. It is silly to think that one random dude can somehow out think hundreds of engineers and scientists working on gigantic budgets with the most up to date technology available. Maybe the ideas could start with some small company or research institution, but only a very large company or the federal government actually has the resources to develop it into an economically viable alternative source.

 

[Evadman]

here's a hint. The result of perfect combustion is water. You gain energy though combustion. If you take water apart into H and O, it takes at least as much energy as you got out of combustion. You are wasting energy though the conversion process, and though toting around the water.

In reality, this is another attempt at a perpetual motion machine. Here are the steps: Water --> convert to H and O --> combust into water --> repeat

 

[FoBoT]

shens

 

[Tempered81]

so hes using high voltage, and low amperage. running his "power juicer" at 14.4 amps off the battery which is being recharged by his alternator. he claims to have removed his o2 sensor from his engine, and is injecting the Hydrogen gas output of his"powertube" into the carbuerator of his minivan. he says it increases the intensitity of the combustion in his pistons by having the 10xmore volitaile gas -hydrogen in themixture? he says it uses less gas, but is bad in the long run for his engine, with water/oxidization & rust in the pistonhead. he says he has to put water in the thing every week or so.

to the guy talking about the gov & specailist engineers from big companies, saying why wouldn't they figure it out first? Because fossil fuels is a gigantic industry, thats a reason to not release technology like this.

another guy on youtube runs a push-lawnmower off water only, no gas. and some dude in the80's - stanely meyer claimed to run a car off 100% water

 

[Gand1]

Ummm...I think Mythbusters made one of these "Powertubes".....yeah, it doesn't work.

 

[BUTCH1]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: DrPizza
*cough* bullshit *cough*

You're not going to get 100mpg, especially with a minivan.

He could be, just based on raw numbers. We don't know how he powers the electrolysis device.

With these systems, the engine doesn't run completely off gasoline or HHO.

When you're cruising on the highway, you turn the HHO flow on. You need to connect it to the intake before the MAF.

Since HHO gas is now occupying some space that normal intake air would, the MAF sees this reduced oxygen and reduces the amount of fuel injected.

But actual combustion/energy production is only affected slightly.

I'm sure the claim is exaggerated, but still. I bet I could get 100MPG in the Insight with a system installed. lol

I thought MAF= "mass air flow" sensor meaning it checks the volume of air entering the
intake, not the O2 content. I could be wrong though..

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: jaredpace
so hes using high voltage, and low amperage. running his "power juicer" at 14.4 amps off the battery which is being recharged by his alternator. he claims to have removed his o2 sensor from his engine, and is injecting the Hydrogen gas output of his"powertube" into the carbuerator of his minivan. he says it increases the intensitity of the combustion in his pistons by having the 10xmore volitaile gas -hydrogen in themixture? he says it uses less gas, but is bad in the long run for his engine, with water/oxidization & rust in the pistonhead. he says he has to put water in the thing every week or so.

to the guy talking about the gov & specailist engineers from big companies, saying why wouldn't they figure it out first? Because fossil fuels is a gigantic industry, thats a reason to not release technology like this.

another guy on youtube runs a push-lawnmower off water only, no gas. and some dude in the80's - stanely meyer claimed to run a car off 100% water

bwahaahaahaahaa! Thanks for the laugh!!! (I'm sure you're just joking and you don't really believe that crap. Right? Right??!)