Hey WoW fans!

[JeffMD]

Well now that devs have ensured WoW will suck and made their judgment on current and future expansions to not allow flying, come to Haevensward! We got flying mounts!

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Oops nm

 

[MiRai]

I see the general WoW forum is leaking across the internet.

I will say that if the only reason you're playing an MMORPG that isn't based around flying, for flying, then I'd wager that you'll probably be disappointed in the end.

 

[Anubis]

I have played/currently play more WoW then pretty much any active poster on this forum and I 100% do not care about no flying mounts

it has absolutely no impact on my enjoyment of the game



actually It may make me enjoy it more because I can feed on the tears of all the people that care.
their sadness makes me happy

 

[JeffMD]

Mirai, it was a huge form of convenience. Especially when dealing with end game grind things. Being able to fly to daily quest hubs, flying to your raid dungeons, flying for your material gathering. I also think the leveling zones for cataclysm where some of the best in the game.

However I quit last year so I was disappointed before the current expansion. I'll let the subscriber numbers speak for the changes.

 

[Anubis]

ive said it before and ill say it again, lack of flying had nothing to do with the drop in subs

being able to fly would do nothing to change the fact that there isn't anything to do in the game besides raid.

 

[JeffMD]

err... the news just came out yesterday.. I don't know why you thought I was pointing to any previous numbers.

 

[MiRai]

err... the news just came out yesterday.. I don't know why you thought I was pointing to any previous numbers.

I'm pretty sure they're referring to the fact that you haven't been able to fly in Draenor since it was available (6+ months)—regardless of any news that came out yesterday—and that the lack of flying on Draenor has nothing (or very, very little) to do with the recent drop in subscribers according to Blizzard's 2015Q1 quarterly earnings report.

 

[JeffMD]

I know what he was refering to, just not sure why. Alot of people still held out hope that later on in the expansion flying would be unlocked. Now that flying is nixed for the foreseeable future and further expansions, it will be interesting to see how many of the hold outs cut their losses.

 

[Dannar26]

If you like flying mounts, you don't really like WoW, or playing games in general.

No, what you really like are back massages and foot rubs. Let me explain.

As detailed earlier, you enjoy skipping content. You don't actually want to have to do something, I.E. the act of playing the game. You'd rather hop on a train and enjoy the ride.

I'm sure retail WoW appeals to you greatly in this respect. Just hop in LFG, LFR, or BG q's and enjoy the ride. No painful organization or perparation, just a pleasant jaunt to loot.

This is why I stopped with retail all together. Nostalrius Begins is MMO gaming, in a way it hasn't been for some time now.

 

[JeffMD]

Dannar, please.. don't even attempt to tell me what I liked and didn't like about WoW. -_-

 

[cuafpr]

Well now that devs have ensured WoW will suck and made their judgment on current and future expansions to not allow flying, come to Haevensward! We got flying mounts!

i'm trying to find time to play ARR now just b.c. of this....

 

[Anteaus]

I feel that not allowing flying was one of the best decisions they have made in years. While an overall decline of WOW is inevitable, the inclusion or lack of flying mounts has zero to do with it. The game is over 10 years old now and has the baggage that comes with that.

Honestly, I don't think anyone can really predict the path WOW will take before it achieves obscurity. There is no baseline for this sort of thing. No game before it has stayed this successful for this long. This game has confounded expectations time and time again and behind it is a long road of wreckage of all of the best "WOW killers" that the best developers could come up with.

I never understand that mentality that some people have in which if a particular game no longer offers them exactly what they want, then obviously the developers have lost their way and the game will suck. The lack of flying mounts does change the dynamic, but in my opinion for the better.

 

[Dannar26]

Dannar, please.. don't even attempt to tell me what I liked and didn't like about WoW. -_-

Flying mounts, evidently?

Flying for the first time in TBC was a majestic experience, but it was soon buried under the things it brought with it.

I'm just saying, having gone back to vanilla WoW on Nost, that some of the inconvenience items brought value to the game. With the casual level of the current incarnation of WoW, it just doesn't feel as gratifying to earn things. The flying plays a part in that.

Flying mounts kill world pvp (ha ha you can't hit me up here) , make the world seem smaller , and it sterilizes questing (fly to point A and back, doing *nothing* else). Positives are convenience, and beauty.

Do the pros outweigh the cons?

 

[Subyman]

ive said it before and ill say it again, lack of flying had nothing to do with the drop in subs

being able to fly would do nothing to change the fact that there isn't anything to do in the game besides raid.

I enjoyed WoW more before they added all the flying mounts. I didn't enjoy the flight paths, but I liked how it made the game feel bigger and less safe. I've been out of WoW for several years, but when I came back briefly for Cataclysm it felt like travel was trivial. It was all about how fast you can get to the next mark on the map. I never played WoW to speed run content, so I felt the game was no longer what I previously liked it for.

 

[desura]

I've been thinking about getting back into the game...

WOW is still really special IMO. Most other games are so canned.

Flying mounts IMO were a huge mistake to add to the game. As well as giving each faction Paladin/Shaman. And stream lining it so much. Oh well.

 

[Majcric]

If blizzard wants to have a chance at rebuilding WoW they need to start with pre Lichking or at the very least pre Cataclysm. Then stop focusing on a bunch of useless gimmicks

Cataclysm brought the death to what was once a legendary game.

 

[Craig234]

Wait, what is the news? Are they going to get rid of flying in the old zones where it's allowed?

I loved the addition of flying, and I'm ok with not having it in new areas, but wouldn't want them to get rid of it in old areas.

And I play rift, where there is no flying and it makes sense in that game and players seem to strongly agree with no flying. Ports make it not much needed anyway.

 

[Anteaus]

Wait, what is the news? Are they going to get rid of flying in the old zones where it's allowed?

I loved the addition of flying, and I'm ok with not having it in new areas, but wouldn't want them to get rid of it in old areas.

And I play rift, where there is no flying and it makes sense in that game and players seem to strongly agree with no flying. Ports make it not much needed anyway.

Only for new areas. I don't believe they have plans to remove them where they already exist.

 

[Grooveriding]

I picked up playing WoW again this expansion to do some raiding with my old guild.

The only thing good left in the game is raiding at this point, otherwise it's been completely gutted and what has been added is complete garbage; see garrisons etc.

At this point they should stop developing new zones, adding levels etc. Just put out new raids a few times a year, add a new class every couple years and tweak classes every few years. Just focus on the last decent thing in the game.

Losing 30% of your subscription base in 3 months is telling. This game will be down to a million players 5 years from now is my guess. It's lost about 1 to 1.5 million a year since WOTLK. It sees sub spikes around xpac releases, but over time this is the consistent loss. The game needs to die off already, it's stale and played out and suffocates any other possible decent MMO from coming to the forefront.

Removing flying is in all likelihood a gambit to slow players down and drag out the meager amount of content they release as an expansion these days.

 

[Anteaus]

I picked up playing WoW again this expansion to do some raiding with my old guild.

The only thing good left in the game is raiding at this point, otherwise it's been completely gutted and what has been added is complete garbage; see garrisons etc.

At this point they should stop developing new zones, adding levels etc. Just put out new raids a few times a year, add a new class every couple years and tweak classes every few years. Just focus on the last decent thing in the game.

Losing 30% of your subscription base in 3 months is telling. This game will be down to a million players 5 years from now is my guess. It's lost about 1 to 1.5 million a year since WOTLK. It sees sub spikes around xpac releases, but over time this is the consistent loss. The game needs to die off already, it's stale and played out and suffocates any other possible decent MMO from coming to the forefront.

Removing flying is in all likelihood a gambit to slow players down and drag out the meager amount of content they release as an expansion these days.

I like how you talk about 5 million players like its bad. In January, FFXIV settled at around 500,000. GW2 is estimated to be at 750,000-1,250,000 and it is the next most populated game next to WOW and at the same time is in decline. WOW is estimated to be around 7 million after 30% drop. It could drop a further 3/4 and still be able to compete with the best that's out there assuming no change in their numbers. They made more money just selling the latest expansion box than any of the other developers have seen over the life of their respective games.

While many would agree in the staleness of the game, the market simply doesn't agree that it's ready to die. What IS telling is that most active MMO players would rather play a stale version of WOW than what ever else is offered. It's not like the death of WOW will suddenly herald in a new era of MMO games. MMO technology in general is stale and it isn't Blizzard's fault. That said, it is amazing how much life they have managed to squeeze out of a game design that is over 15 years old. Blizzard is to the MMO what Apple is to the smartphone. Stale or not, people show up by the million to give them cash, and that ain't nothing.

 

[Subyman]

I like how you talk about 5 million players like its bad. In January, FFXIV settled at around 500,000. GW2 is estimated to be at 750,000-1,250,000 and it is the next most populated game next to WOW and at the same time is in decline. WOW is estimated to be around 7 million after 30% drop. It could drop a further 3/4 and still be able to compete with the best that's out there assuming no change in their numbers. They made more money just selling the latest expansion box than any of the other developers have seen over the life of their respective games.

While many would agree in the staleness of the game, the market simply doesn't agree that it's ready to die. What IS telling is that most active MMO players would rather play a stale version of WOW than what ever else is offered. It's not like the death of WOW will suddenly herald in a new era of MMO games. MMO technology in general is stale and it isn't Blizzard's fault. That said, it is amazing how much life they have managed to squeeze out of a game design that is over 15 years old. Blizzard is to the MMO what Apple is to the smartphone. Stale or not, people show up by the million to give them cash, and that ain't nothing.

There is a critical level of players in any game. I'd have to imagine that the break even point on wow is MUCH higher than any other MMO out there. The break even point to support a massive expansion every two years, monthly updates, and supporting top-tier staff is even higher. We don't know what the magic number is, but comparing it to games that only need 500k to survive isn't drawing the full picture.

Part of the point is that Blizzard needs to figure out the formula again with either a complete rework of WoW or some sort of sequel to stimulate the market. That huge cash-in they get at the end of every month is beginning to wane.

 

[TidusZ]

Mind controlling people into the lava outside molten core/BWL was why I rolled priest. Once people had flying mounts all the shenanigans stopped which was unfortunate.

I haven't played wow in a few years and I don't think I'll be getting back into it but was fun while it lasted.

At this point they should stop developing new zones, adding levels etc. Just put out new raids a few times a year, add a new class every couple years and tweak classes every few years. Just focus on the last decent thing in the game.

That's what I was saying back when there was like a whole year without a new raid instance (between TOGC and icecrown, 1 year with just helion dragon being added which was like a 3-4 day diversion). They put so much work into the leveling which lasts like 1-2 days and then you gotta wait a year for new raid? meh

 

[Aikouka]

I have played/currently play more WoW then pretty much any active poster on this forum

You sure about that?

 

[Wuzup101]

I quit after TBC and came back briefly during cata on a new account. I couldn't get into it. Flying was awesome in TBC, but I can see valid reasons for removing it. Since I don't play anymore, I don't care lol.